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The Limits of Quantum Computing

The Narrative Fallacy writes "Scott Aaronson has posted a draft of his article from this month's Scientific American on the limitations of quantum computers (PDF) discussing the question: Will quantum computers let us transcend the human condition and become as powerful as gods, or are they a physical absurdity destined to be exposed as the twenty-first century's perpetual-motion machine? Aaronson says that while a quantum computer could quickly factor large numbers, and thereby break most of the cryptographic codes used on the Internet today, there's reason to think that not even a quantum computer could solve the crucial class of NP-complete problems efficiently. Aaronson contends that any method for solving NP-complete problems in polynomial time may violate the laws of physics and that this may be a fundamental limitation on technology no different than the second law of thermodynamics or the impossibility of faster-than-light communication."

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  1. Re:Well...... by Thanshin · · Score: 5, Funny

    It can fix the NP problem.... but u cant look into the PC case or else its ruined. I blamed the dead cat I found inside.
  2. The last question... by siyavash · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This really have touched me deeply, specially the ending. Somewhat related to the article and perhaps one day it actually happens.

    Following by Isaac Asimov :

    The last question was asked for the first time, half in jest, on May 21, 2061, at a time when humanity first stepped into the light. The question came about as a result of a five dollar bet over highballs, and it happened this way:

    Alexander Adell and Bertram Lupov were two of the faithful attendants of Multivac. As well as any human beings could, they knew what lay behind the cold, clicking, flashing face -- miles and miles of face -- of that giant computer. They had at least a vague notion of the general plan of relays and circuits that had long since grown past the point where any single human could possibly have a firm grasp of the whole.

    Multivac was self-adjusting and self-correcting. It had to be, for nothing human could adjust and correct it quickly enough or even adequately enough -- so Adell and Lupov attended the monstrous giant only lightly and superficially, yet as well as any men could. They fed it data, adjusted questions to its needs and translated the answers that were issued. Certainly they, and all others like them, were fully entitled to share In the glory that was Multivac's.

    For decades, Multivac had helped design the ships and plot the trajectories that enabled man to reach the Moon, Mars, and Venus, but past that, Earth's poor resources could not support the ships. Too much energy was needed for the long trips. Earth exploited its coal and uranium with increasing efficiency, but there was only so much of both.

    But slowly Multivac learned enough to answer deeper questions more fundamentally, and on May 14, 2061, what had been theory, became fact.

    The energy of the sun was stored, converted, and utilized directly on a planet-wide scale. All Earth turned off its burning coal, its fissioning uranium, and flipped the switch that connected all of it to a small station, one mile in diameter, circling the Earth at half the distance of the Moon. All Earth ran by invisible beams of sunpower.

    Seven days had not sufficed to dim the glory of it and Adell and Lupov finally managed to escape from the public function, and to meet in quiet where no one would think of looking for them, in the deserted underground chambers, where portions of the mighty buried body of Multivac showed. Unattended, idling, sorting data with contented lazy clickings, Multivac, too, had earned its vacation and the boys appreciated that. They had no intention, originally, of disturbing it.

    They had brought a bottle with them, and their only concern at the moment was to relax in the company of each other and the bottle.

    "It's amazing when you think of it," said Adell. His broad face had lines of weariness in it, and he stirred his drink slowly with a glass rod, watching the cubes of ice slur clumsily about. "All the energy we can possibly ever use for free. Enough energy, if we wanted to draw on it, to melt all Earth into a big drop of impure liquid iron, and still never miss the energy so used. All the energy we could ever use, forever and forever and forever."

    Lupov cocked his head sideways. He had a trick of doing that when he wanted to be contrary, and he wanted to be contrary now, partly because he had had to carry the ice and glassware. "Not forever," he said.

    "Oh, hell, just about forever. Till the sun runs down, Bert."

    "That's not forever."

    "All right, then. Billions and billions of years. Twenty billion, maybe. Are you satisfied?"

    Lupov put his fingers through his thinning hair as though to reassure himself that some was still left and sipped gently at his own drink. "Twenty billion years isn't forever."

    "Will, it will last our time, won't it?"

    "So would the coal and uranium."

    "All right, but now we can hook up each individual spaceship to the Solar Station, and it can go to Pluto and back a million times without ever worrying about fuel. You can't do

    1. Re:The last question... by z0idberg · · Score: 5, Funny

      The obvious question would then be, that if all existence is cyclical, how many times has it been reset? And, what kicked it off to begin with?

      I don't think there is sufficient data to give a meaningful answer to these questions.
  3. Re:Seems to me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    there is No Such Agency that can do this yet Are you sure?
  4. Re:Stupid much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    No no no. Factoring is not NP-complete. Sure, its in NP since you can verify a factoring in polynomial time. But the complete part is kind of important, here! Go read a book on complexity theory :)

  5. Re:Having actually read the article, a question by IWannaBeAnAC · · Score: 5, Informative

    The (fundamental) difference is that the bits in the DRAM cells are in a well-defined state of either 0 or 1, but you just haven't measured them yet. In the quantum computer, the qubits are in a superposition of 0 and 1 at the same time.

    To be more precise, the 'state space' of a classical bit is, well, 1 bit. Either 0 or 1. In the scenario that you describe, you don't know what the bits are until you measure them, but that is nothing special (imagine another example: tossing a coin with your eyes closed. You don't know the outcome until you open your eyes, but that doesn't mean that anything quantum-mechanical is going on!).

    The 'state space' of a qubit, on the other hand, is an angle. Put the '0' result along the x axis and the '1' result along the y axis. Angle 0 corresponds to '0', 90 degrees corresponds to '1', and so on. But the possible physical state is anywhere on the unit circle, not just '0' and '1'. If the physical state of the system is 45 degrees then it really is a mixture of '0' and '1', and you can do interesting things with this state. For example, you can add it to some other state (at a different angle) and get wave-like interference effects.

  6. Re:NP complete is solved by nature by kvezach · · Score: 5, Informative

    Shortest path isn't NP-complete; Dijkstra's algorithm can solve shortest path in O(V^2) where V is the number of vertices in the graph.

    Maybe you're thinking of the often repeated claim that one can find a Steiner tree (the determination of which is NP-complete) using soap and a physical setup. But that, too, is false.

    Kieu tried to find a way to make quantum trickery (in ordinary quantum computers) calculate NP-complete problems (and a lot more) in polynomial time, but his hypercomputation algorithm was later disproved. So just as P = NP in classical computing seems to be very hard to prove or disprove in the general case, so appears its quantum mechanical analog to be, as well. (But as the paper states, some computers using exotic physics could be able to solve NP-complete problems easily; for instance, a time-traveling computer could solve PSPACE-complete problems without much difficulty, and if loop quantum gravity is true, a computer making use of it might be able to solve NP-complete problems as well.)

  7. Re:NP-completeness by xZgf6xHx2uhoAj9D · · Score: 5, Informative

    What the fuck?! I would outraged when this was at +4, but +5?!

    NP-completeness relates to the scalability of the algorithm with the size of the input.

    This is misleading. NP-completeness relates to how other problems can be reduced to it. Currently we can't say much about how NP-completeness and complexity relate. We know that if a problem is NP-complete, it must take at least polynomial time and at most exponential time (on a classical computer), but beyond that, we know nothing.

    Quantum computers "solve" NP-complete questions in "Polynomial time"

    This is factually incorrect. So far we have not found a quantum algorithm to solve any NP-complete problem in less than exponential time.

    (actually constant time?)

    Ha!

    they also limit the size of the input significantly.

    This is factually incorrect. Perhaps you're getting confused by the fact that quantum algorithms are often described in circuit notation. Classical algorithms are also sometimes described in circuit notation, but this is much less common. In any case, quantum algorithms do not bound the size of the input any more than classical computers do.

    For instance, quicksort on a classical computer might be "bounded" in that you cannot sort an array of 50 billion petabytes. This is not inherent in the algorithm; it's inherent in our inability to construct a computer with 50 billion petabytes of memory. Similarly, we have not been able to use quantum computers to date to factor integers larger than 15. This limit is not inherent in the algorithm; it's inherent in the fact that engineers have not been able to construct a viable quantum computer to date with more than 5 (if I remember correctly) qubits.

    Again, quantum algorithms to not bound the size of their input.

    Since Quantum Computers seem to run on inputs of a specific size, O() notation does not seem to apply at all.

    This is factually incorrect. Almost all of the research into quantum computation in the past 10 years has been in the area of quantum complexity. Perhaps you have heard of the BQP complexity class, which was mentioned in the article you were supposed to have read. By the way, BQP can in some way be thought of as quantum computers' "P"; i.e., the class of problems which can viably be computed on a quantum computer in polynomial time.

    Quantum complexity very much uses big-O notation (as well as big- notation and any other complexity notation used in classical complexity theory).

    So "solving" NP-complete problems cannot really violate laws of physics in this sense.

    Non sequitur. It's not clear at this point. If you could answer that question, you'd probably be drowning in money right now.

  8. Response to an ironic accusation by Scott+Aaronson · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Author here. I thought those who accuse me of drawing a false dichotomy -- between quantum computers as "godlike" on the one hand or a hoax on the other -- might be interested in the following quotes from the actual published article. "although we should not accept the usual hype, in my view it is equally misguided to dismiss quantum computing as science fiction. Instead we should find out what the limits of quantum computers are and what we could really do if we had them." (p. 63) "According to our current understanding, [quantum computers] would provide dramatic speedups for a few problems -- such as breaking the cryptographic codes that are widely used for monetary transactions on the Internet. For other problems, however -- such as playing chess, scheduling airline flights and proving theorems -- evidence now strongly suggests that quantum computers would suffer from many of the same algorithmic limitations as today's classical computers." (p. 63) "If a large, ideal quantum computer would face most of the same limitations as our present-day classical computers do, should the physicists working on the extraordinarily hard task of building even rudimentary quantum computers pack up and go home? I believe the answer is no, for four reasons..." (p. 65) "To some, the apparent limitations of quantum computers might come as a letdown. One can, however, give those same limitations a more optimistic spin. They mean that although certain cryptographic codes could be broken in a world with quantum computers, other codes would probably remain secure..." (p. 69) In short, the precise misconception that I wrote my article to try to combat, is the one I then get accused of! Reading an article can, indeed, provide useful clues about its contents.