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Netscape Finally Put Down

Stony Stevenson writes to point out that Netscape has finally reached end of line with the release of version 9.0.0.6. A pop-up will offer users the choice of switching to Firefox, Flock, or remaining with the dead browser, but no new updates will be released. "Nearly 14 years after the once mighty browser made its first desktop appearance as Mosaic Netscape 0.9, its disappearance comes as little surprise. Although Netscape accounted for more than 80 per cent of the browser market in 1995, the arrival of Microsoft's Internet Explorer in the same year brought stiff competition and surpassed Netscape within three years."

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  1. Re:about:mozilla by calebt3 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sorry to reply to my own post, but I noticed that the Book of Mozilla is getting another entry when FF3 goes public!:

    Mammon slept. And the beast reborn spread over the earth and its numbers grew legion. And they proclaimed the times and sacrificed crops unto the
    fire, with the cunning of foxes. And they built a new world in their own image as promised by the sacred words, and spoke of the beast with their
    children. Mammon awoke, and lo! it was naught but a follower.

    from The Book of Mozilla, 11:9

  2. Re:Someone should.... by corsec67 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Second System Effect. Basically, you make a first version that is lean, does a few things well, and release that. Then in the second system you add a bunch of "it would be cool if..." things, making the second version huge, bloated, and not as good as the first version.

    Vista, as compared to Windows 2000, for a big example.

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  3. It was their attitude that killed them by ImdatS · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Back in 1995-97, I was working for a major European media/publishing company. We were one of their (Netscape's) largest customers having bought around 200 Netscape Publishing System Licenses (NPS) for around USD 80k each! - well those were the good ol' days.

    The software was very primitive but it was a solid basis for what we needed - in our company I was responsible for the platform so I came up with a solid specification of what we needed and how Netscape should add this to NPS. We had a meeting on a very high level with Netscape management in Mountain View in September 1996(!) to discuss my paper, which I had already discussed in with Netscape Europe and managed to actually get through to Netscape US.

    The meeting was a revelation for me. By that time, the term "Intranet" was becoming a hip-term. There we were, three or four people from our company (by that time, I was "Director International Technology Co-operations" - what a title, isn't it?) - and about five or six people from Netscape.

    We explained all our needs again and told them, that we would be of course willing to pay for all these enhancements. I specifically had collected input from another ten or fifteen other media companies from Europe to come up with a neat spec for Netscape - i.e. I did all the job, which they should've done in the first place.

    After the explanation and discussion of the paper (three hours or so), one top Netscape manager said: "You know, there are only about 20-30 publishers around the world - but hundreds and thousands of companies needing Intranet solutions. So, therefore, we have decided to go for the Intranet market and thus will drop the media/publishing business. I'm sorry, but we can't implement the spec because it's just a too small market!" (not withstanding the fact that there are hundreds and thousands of media companies around the world...)

    I was furious - it was like a ... no, not slap, a fist? A hit with a 10-ton-fist in the face... I was so furious that I stood up and said: "You know guys, with this attitude I think you'll be dead as a company at latest within two-to-three years." - and immediately left the meeting.

    My boss came after me and tried to convince me to come back to the meeting (though not wholeheartedly as I could see he was furious as well). So, I actually left the office, the building and waiting outside of the Netscape building in the sun - waiting for my colleagues to come out.

    In the end, we left Netscape, went home and I and a small team have implemented what we needed by ourselves and completely dumped Netscape software, including Netscape Web Server (what was it's name), switching to ... I dunno, it was the httpd-server, which was the basis for Apache later on (a-patchy server); we dumped all Netscape software, even including the browser.

    That was my experience with Netscape... It was not Microsoft, it was not AOL - it was their arrogant, stupid, high-horsed, customers-don't-count attitude that killed them. It was their f***ed-up management!

    1. Re:It was their attitude that killed them by Dogtanian · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Your story isn't the first I've heard about Netscape being insufferably arrogant during their heyday.

      It says it all that even on Slashdot- whose readers in general play up any anti-MS angle, give the benefit of the doubt to their competitors and mod down dissenting opinion- the prevailing sentiment seems to be that Netscape were responsible for their own downfall with a bloated version 4.x and corporate arrogance.

      Side note, but hasn't Netscape (the browser) been killed off once before anyway? And wasn't Netscape's market share also harmed when they spent far too long between releases trying to clean up the codebase for the aborted v5 during the late-1990s? According to WP (salt, etc), the bloated 4.x came out in mid-1997, but v6 didn't come out till 2000, and that was probably rushed out before it was ready. IIRC, the current "Netscape" is based upon (but not identical) to Mozilla and Firefox.

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  4. Re:AOL is Death by Atomic+Fro · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As I recall, this happened around the same time IE was built solid into Windows 98 and Microsoft's "embrace / extend / extinguish" strategy pumped full blast with "IE Active Channels." Microsoft started MSN as an internet service provider and AOL was a little nervous about Microsoft making Windows rely on MSN. So AOL bought Netscape and kept the browser alive as a bargaining chip. At the time AOL was the #1 internet provider and if AOL made everyone use Netscape, Microsoft's internet strategy would be dead in the water. This threat kept the AOL icon on the desktop of default installs of Windows.

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  5. Re:Just Deserts by Chemicalscum · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Mozilla = Mosaic Killer. The original codename for Netscape Navigator. Mosaic was public domain and Netscape Navigator was closed source until JWZ persuaded Netscape to open the code as a way of countering MSIE's burgeoning dominance. Irony eh?