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Reversing Magnetic Poles Observed in Another Star

Babu 'God' Hoover tips us to news out of the University of Hawaii Institute for Astronomy that for the first time, a magnetic pole reversal has been observed in a star other than our own. Tau Bootis, while similar to the Sun, also has a planet more than six times larger than Jupiter orbiting at only a twentieth of the distance between Earth and the Sun. Scientists hope to use this discovery to learn more about the magnetic dynamics in the Sun, which can affect our telecommunications, among other things.

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  1. Tau Bootis by sakdoctor · · Score: 4, Funny

    Star systems suffer from a similar naming convention problem as open source software.

    Nobody is going to relocate to an outpost in Tau Bootis. On the other hand, everyone would be clambering to go and live at the iPost in Apple Centauri.

    1. Re:Tau Bootis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, star names are truly a pain in the back office.

      In most of the star catalogues the first field is a running number (ID). After the catalogue is published that ID number becomes yet another name for that star. Some stars have a hundred of these names.

      Most stars are actually systems of multiple stars. Some catalogue numbers refer to the whole system. Some give each component a distinct ID. Some add a letter, a dot following a number, or dash, or something else.

      Catalogues do have errors due wrong identifications and technical problems.

      How about plain simple coordinates? No need for names, but coordinates relative to what? In space and time nothing is in rest.

      More clever approach would be to use the 'stellar DNA' called spectrum. It contains the chemical composition of the star. Very unique, but again, there are wrong identifications and technical problems.

      The shocking thing is that most stars do not have names.

      The second shocking thing is that universal naming convention for stars is not feasible.

      We humans, we small and silly, try to name everything...

  2. Re:Hooraayyyy by LighterShadeOfBlack · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Right. But in the meantime we have to go ahead with the knowledge we have, safe in the knowledge that even if we are by some twist of fate completely wrong about the causes of climate change that we have at least weaned ourselves off fossil fuels in the meantime.

    Going on the assumption that man is causing climate change means we win either way, doing nothing in the hope that we're somehow wrong means that the very best possible outcome is that we're still completely dependant on fossil fuels in 50 or 100 years time. And the worst possible outcome doesn't bear thinking about. So, while it's all well and good to say we should be investigate every possible cause of climate change, there is absolutely no excuse for us to not be acting now to minimise our our impact on the environment.

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  3. Re:Hooraayyyy by zappepcs · · Score: 2

    I don't disagree... well, except for the fact that we humans often go headlong into a decision, sure that we are right, only to find out later that .. well, ooops, maybe killing 6 million other people wasn't such a good idea.

    I'm all for making life energy efficient, for not polluting our eco-systems, and for doing all we can to make life healthy. We should have been doing that all along. We may make our species extinct with gray goo before global warming has a chance, by the way.

    My point was simply that more information means better decisions all around. I'm not advocating that we wait for the information before doing anything. I'm saying that every bit of information should be used to shape our decisions as we move along. Is anyone worried that we are almost out of helium? What effect does that have?

    The brain trust needed to put all this together is huge, so sure, do what we can, but do not be blinkered into thinking that we are done with the decision making.

  4. How did they find out? by F�an�ro · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The article is a bit light on details.

    How can we actually detect the magnetic field of another star?
    I thought that the distance is certainly too big to observe it directly, and we barely have the resolution to tell that there is a planet there at all.

    1. Re:How did they find out? by drDugan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They "detect" it the same way we "know" now that only 5% of the Universe is matter we can detect and the rest is boogy- man style "dark energy" and "dark matter". It is the most probable explanation given the prevailing consistent and agreed upon set of understandings (stories) by leading rational scientists.

      This is not optimal, but is the unfortunate result of extremism within the anti-rational camp (including religious fundamentalists of all the major religions) that cause the other camp (rational scientists) to also become extreme - huddling together to present consistency of thought and theory to rebuff the insanity driving the extreme nature of the opposing camp. Closer to reality is that astrophysics and most modern physics today have some extremely serious problems with making all the data that has been collected and verified fit together. By all, I'm mean to include data from quantum size scales with light-year scales and near-zero energy with very high energy, femto-seconds to years. Most data works amazingly well, while other data consistently does not match.

      So, in order to present a consistent theory that is not assailable by luddites and those that would use seemingly believable arguments and descriptions of Universal truths for their own ends, many scientists understandably have developed an anti-scientific bent that provides consistency and certainty in their scientific story. A consistent story drives funding. It drives papers. It drives tenure. It drives careers, lectures, salaries, and status. It keeps the system going for scietists to keep doing academic science, which *is* a good thing. This is just how academia works, even when what is really needed in scientific exploration and, mostly, physics today is more unabashed non consistency and non conformism to established physics laws to deal with various inconsistent and conflicting data.

    2. Re:How did they find out? by drerwk · · Score: 3, Informative

      Magnetic fields can affect the polarization of photons. So I suspect that there is an instrument which measures polarization, and that polarization has flipped from some previous measurement.
      There is a mention of " ESPaDOnS, the new generation stellar spectropolarimeter" as being the instrument involved. Link here http://www.ast.obs-mip.fr/projets/espadons/espadons.html

    3. Re:How did they find out? by tick89 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The way they find out is taking a spectrum of the star light. The spectrum, via prisim/spectrial grating tells us what the object is made of, its temperature, ans if an effect knowen as, for give my spelling, Zieman spiliting effect takes place on the spectrial lines, there is a magnetic field present on or applyed to the luminus object. The object can be a star, candle flame, Heated iron, basicly anything that gives off light. All you need is a light source. No great or even mediourcer resoilution necessary, just the bear minuim light.

    4. Re:How did they find out? by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Informative

      How can we actually detect the magnetic field of another star?

      I don't know about stars, but for our sun, we determine magnetic polarity by studying the polarization of the light coming from it. Magnetic fields can polarize light.

  5. Re:The Sun had Bi-Polar disorder. by lexarius · · Score: 3, Funny

    Another example of lazy astropsychology. That's how they're diagnosing every star these days. When's the last time you heard of a star being a magnetic mono-pole? Exactly. I rest my case.

  6. Not very surprising. by Z00L00K · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The magnetic field of a fluid system like a star or like the inner parts of our earth is constantly changing. A magnetic field is generated by the flows that occurs and in a complex pattern too, which means that it isn't fully predictable.

    By not fully predicable I refer to that the flows that occurs are similar to the weather we experience here on Earth. The weather can be predicted with an acceptable accuracy over a week, but longer than that is hard. However the timeframe for magnetic fields are different, so they are predictable over a longer period of time.

    Anyway - this means that the flows inside a star can change pattern, or that the electrical currents induced can change (not always the same thing) and they in turn will cause the magnetic field to change. Changes involves flares, sunspots and magnetic field disturbances - even as far as changing the polarity. So if our sun does that it's not surprising that another star with similar properties also exhibits the same behavior.

    More interesting stellar objects to study would be red stars like the Betelgeuze star or giant blue stars like Rigel. Since they are much larger they can offer different results. Same goes for white dwarfs. Some stars are very strong in their radiation and can provide a great deal of information from a distance, but not everything. There may still be surprises waiting for us!

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  7. What? by jgoemat · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why would you bring up climate change? We've known for many years that the Sun flips its magnetic field every 11 years or so. This is simply the first time we've observed it in another star. The flipping of Sol's magnetic field causes a change in the number and size of sunspots which do affect solar output. This has been taken into account with climate models that show the earth is warming due to human influence. This news story offers absolutely no information pertinent to climate change.

    I would like to point out that there are so very many things that we are not sure of or simply don't know.

    Because we do not know some things does not mean we cannot know others. The fact that the theory of General Relativity does not work at atomic distances does not mean that we can't use it to determine clock skew in different gravity fields. GPS would not work without taking General Relativity into account if you want proof you can hold in your hand. Because we do not know everything about Quantum Mechanics does not mean that we cannot use the theory to create lasers, which are a direct result of quantum mechanical theory. You would not have CD and DVD drives if the theory wasn't mostly correct.

    What you are basically saying is that we should throw up our hands and say that whether climate change is occurring due to human influence is unknowable. That sounds nothing like an 'INFORMED decision' as you put it. If you are truly interested, do some research yourself. I questioned man's influence on climate change also until I looked into it. Researchers who study the subject are almost completely of one mind, that humanity is influencing the climate and causing the world to be warmer that it has been in the past. These are people that spend their lives looking at all of the evidence, people that ask the questions you want the answers to and try their best to find them. The people that just throw their hands up and say that it is unknowable are the ones that deny global warming is happening. Some point to one of the warmest years on record being in the 1940s, but that is explainable due to normal cycles. Check out the trends though. Global warming is a FACT, that human influence is causing it is a theory with mountains of evidence supporting it and no evidence against it. The only other thing that people can point to as the cause for global warming is "something we don't know yet".

    1. Re:What? by sumdumass · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why would you bring up climate change? We've known for many years that the Sun flips its magnetic field every 11 years or so. This is simply the first time we've observed it in another star. The flipping of Sol's magnetic field causes a change in the number and size of sunspots which do affect solar output. This has been taken into account with climate models that show the earth is warming due to human influence. This news story offers absolutely no information pertinent to climate change.
      I'm going to take a guess as to why he brought it up. There are some people who claim solar activity is behind global warming. There are others that have extended that to beyond our sun and made the claim that we are actually seeing warmth coming from other stars, quasars, cosmic rays, and other unique fun stuff in space.

      Now what I find interesting is that the flip happened somewhat close to our own sun's flip even though it was 50 some years ago. Coincidence to connection? Could it be that an outside force causes the poles to reverse? And if so, is it another sun or is there something more powerful then that in the grand scheme of things. Can something emitted from that sun travel faster then the speed of light? or faster enough to get her 2 or 3 month sooner over a 50 year period of time? I'm sure a lot of these answers have already been answered but have the answers been examined in this context? I find it fascinating that with all we know, it can be asked and hopefully, within the time of the next observed flip, be answered. And no, I'm not claiming this does or doesn't have anything to do with global warming. I'm just curious if there is another force out there that we are tied to in some of the most discrete ways.
  8. Re:Hooraayyyy by MetaPhyzx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you cram six billion termites into the same relative space to size as six billion humans on this planet, I'm sure that in a good amount of time you'll see some pretty significant damage take place.

    This isn't to say that it is indeed possible that there are other factors not related to our activity as causes of global warming. I am saying it seems that a lot of those who don't believe we have a significant effect on the planet tend to be the ones that don't want to either act in order to possibly mitigate the impact, or find it completely plausible that we could terraform some other world, but there's NO way we're responsible fucking up the Earth!

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