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Microsoft Says Not All Ad Clicks Are Created Equal

kyle6477 writes to share that Microsoft is hoping to change the way advertising is thought of, and ultimately valued, online. Their new Engagement ROI tool tries to track a user's ad clicking habits and distribute the credit over all of the ads that led to an eventual sale as opposed to the last ad clicked getting all the credit. "Say a consumer sees an ad for a product in a video ad one day, and then clicks on a text ad to visit the retailer's site the next day, and then eventually sees a banner ad that leads to a purchase. All of the monetary credit tends to go to the text link that was clicked on."

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  1. Equal ads by Wowsers · · Score: 4, Funny

    Microsoft are wrong, I don't have any ads to click, so they are in fact all equal to me.

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    1. Re:Equal ads by sakdoctor · · Score: 4, Funny

      You mean all ads are equally blocked?

    2. Re:Equal ads by kc2keo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yep, I use Adblock Plus too but along with noscript. Haven't seen a AD since installation. Even if I didn't have these plugins installed I never click on any ADs. The ads that bother me the most are the ones that flash like a strobe light, make noises (those have scared the hell out of me before), are in the way of articles I am reading, and the ADs that are popup's...

    3. Re:Equal ads by haystor · · Score: 5, Funny

      I seem to keep getting ads for AdBlock whenever slashdot does a story involving ads.

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    4. Re:Equal ads by haystor · · Score: 5, Interesting

      To spell it out...every time anything on slashdot mentions ads, the first 100 or so posts are people commenting on how they haven't seen ads in years. They make these comments like the signal to noise ratio needed to satisfy their massive intellect needs to approach 100%. Then of course they proceed to fill up all the comments with the noise of one person saying "Adblock..." and 99 saying, "me too".

      - I don't care that you use AdBlock. If it's an ask slashdot about how to block ads, by all means post in response to that.
      - I also don't care about all of you that don't even have a tv but must comment on every tv story.
      - Nor do I care that Go is deeper than chess unless we're already discussing both of them (not just one).

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  2. How does this degrade? by pembo13 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I barely trust javascript from Google, I trust even less stuff from Microsoft, so how well would their algorithms work without client side scripts?

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  3. Just an exuse by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To track all of your traffic.

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    1. Re:Just an exuse by jonnythan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why would they want to track all of your traffic if not for advertising purposes?

  4. Wasted Effort by immcintosh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This really seems like a wasted effort. Presumably, it is either the case that the ad that was clicked on was more convincing than the other ads, causing the purchaser to finally cave in, or it was no more convincing and just benefited from the luck of the draw. If it was the case that this individual ad was what convinced the consumer, I see no reason it shouldn't get all the credit. If it was not the case that this individual ad was more convincing, then when you take the total ad revenue on average, none of the ads should be getting more revenue than any of the others.

    To put it another way, if one ad is generating a lot more revenue than other ads, there's a reason for this. Whether it be placement, timing, appropriate context, better design, or whatever. If none of these things are the case, then I submit that the ads should all be generating equivalent revenue.

    In short, Microsoft is developing a solution in search of a problem. Either that or it's just another attempt at tracking the consumer's every last act, hidden under a patina of equitable distribution of ad revenue.

    1. Re:Wasted Effort by teknopurge · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not true.

      This is in fact an issue we, as advertisers, have been dealing with for a long time. One ad does not sell a product or service, rather it takes multiple avenues to get a message across. If this tool helps up view thread within an ad campaign and at what points the campaign has different levels of impact, it would allow us to tune our ad-spend to a very granular level.

      Things like Adwords is a large toilet that we used to flush money down. Anything that makes our $$$ go further we are all for.

      Regards,

  5. Re:New Marketing Strategy by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I gotta better one! Instead of spending time trying to beat Google at their own game, they could concentrate their efforts at improving their core products. Like, say, operating systems!

  6. Re:People Who Buy Products Because They Saw A Bann by Vellmont · · Score: 5, Insightful


    I don't know anyone who's ever been surfing a website, saw an ad for a gadget, or a shirt, or anything, and said "Wow, I just found out I need to buy that!"

    Advertising doesn't really work like that. Much of advertising is just an attempt to create familiarity. So when you DO suddenly decide you "need to buy that!" you'll at least have a passing familiarity with the product that was advertised to you.

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  7. Counting clicks by z80kid · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I'll admit to not knowing a whole lot about web advertising.

    But it's occurred to me that this business about measuring an ad's value by counting clicks is BS.

    The same marketers that think an ad is worthless because not enough people visited their page don't think that television or newspaper ads are worthless because not enough people snapped off the TV and called the company.

    They get no feedback from TV or newspaper ads - other than a rough estimate of how many people viewed them. Yet from an Internet ad, they expect potential customers to drop what they're doing and rush to the company's website.

    For instance, the ad at the top of this slashdot page right now says "A golden opportunity to make Java apps richer... click here". It includes a meaningless picture of some golden eggs. No mention of the company name, product name, or anything that might stick in our minds for later. From their perspective, either we click now or the ad was useless.

    They'd never run that ad on TV or in the paper ("blah blah blah, call now."), then cancel their TV ad because nobody called. They'd include some company and product info, and hope we remember them.

    So why do they expect so much more from Internet ads?

  8. Like sports, person who passes ball gets an assist by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In short, Microsoft is developing a solution in search of a problem.

    Like in sports, the person who passes the ball/puck/etc does not do the scoring but they do get credit for the assist. Doing so in advertising does make logical sense, and it also seems to be a more fair system. Be careful that you are not against a good idea merely because it was from Microsoft, if Google had suggested this would you have had the same reactions?

    Either that or it's just another attempt at tracking the consumer's every last act, hidden under a patina of equitable distribution of ad revenue.

    To continue in the theme of the above question, does it bother you that google is actually doing so? Mining email, etc?

  9. Re:New Marketing Strategy by B3ryllium · · Score: 4, Funny

    bah, who needs a vacuum cleaner that blows?

  10. Re:My guess by DeionXxX · · Score: 4, Informative

    Do you have the pre-fetch option on in Firefox? If you do, it might be requesting the page and therefore the cookie in the background. When on the Google results, it Firefox pre-fetches the first few links.

    That's probably what's going on.

  11. Dear Sir/Madam by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Funny
    I act on behalf of the International Gastapodian Society.

    The Society finds your comments repulsive. Associating Vista with snails gives said snails a very bad name.

    Contrary to your misinformed opinion, some snails are capable of very high speeds, up to 12 inches per minute (15 with a good tailwind). I think we can all agree that this is far faster than Vista.

    We therefore request that you withdraw your hurtful comments.

    Yours in slime,

    S. Cargo

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