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Gaffes That Keep IT Geeks From the Boardroom

buzzardsbay writes "Yes, it's all in good fun to point out the mismatched belt and shoes and the atrocious hairstyles, but honestly, I'm committing three of these errors right now! Is that why I can't get a key to the executive washroom? Or is it my rebellious attitude and pungent man-scent that's keeping me down? The shocker in here was pigtails on women... I love pigtails on women!"

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  1. Slashdot by youthoftoday · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Trying to get first post is a classic sign

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    1. Re:Slashdot by Forge · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yep. Unfortunately your boss is one of those idiots that pays attention to what other people wear. And since impressing the boss is the only way to get promoted people with your attitude will never be management.

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    2. Re:Slashdot by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      your boss is one of those idiots

      Find another job if you cannot work with your boss. If you want to ever be "management" and you find your boss "an idiot". Well, then you're not cut out to be management or certainly not in that firm. Sitting around smoothtalking waiting for a promotion from someone who you think is an idiot? right..

      And since impressing the boss is the only way to get promoted people with your attitude will never be management.
      That wont make you management. It makes you a suckup who's running after a dangling carrot without charisma and reliability: you'll just agree when sometimes you have to disagree with your boss and let him know why. Who constantly wonders why there aren't offers for promotion and sit waiting while serving "the master". bah. Then resorting to passive agressiveness because you feel you deserve a promotion yet cannot deliver?

      I've gotten many management position offers, being 26, in international companies. Not by sucking up, but by getting things done, going outside of my "safety zone" or unexepectedly pulling projects straight. (I'm a consultant software developer)

      I'm too young for management, and I like to code more then management. Yet sucking up or "pleasing" the master isn't the way to go. I've been in such a firm before where that was expected. I wouldn't last a day anymore and would refuse projects for firms like that.
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    3. Re:Slashdot by cbart387 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apparently, you are either a dumbass, a liar, or both. Do you know what else helps in impressing your boss? By not insulting people in a disagreement/discussion.
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  2. Why would I even want to be in the Boardroom by ThomasHoward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who cares about the pay, once you are earning above a certain amount, being happy with what you do is far more important than earning more money. programming sounds far more fun than managing things and people. Give me t-shirts and jeans, screw wearing shirts, ties, suits and overpriced uncomfortable stuff like that.

    1. Re:Why would I even want to be in the Boardroom by jotok · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That is a really good attitude to have. I, on the other hand, look really good in suits, and I like consulting more than I like programming. To each his own.

    2. Re:Why would I even want to be in the Boardroom by ozmanjusri · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Wow, a lot of that list was written by MBA jerks jealous over what IT staff does.

      No, as an MBA jerk, I can assure you I have no jealousy of IT whatsoever.

      That list was written by a hack journo with no intent to reflect anyone's real world attitudes and every intent of boosting ad impressions by getting it posted to Slashdot and Reddit.

      It's a shallow swipe at some IT stereotypes, nothing more. It should be in some internet scrapheap, not the front page.

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    3. Re:Why would I even want to be in the Boardroom by QuantumG · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Heh, I've worked at a few places "run by geeks". They don't last long. There's this thing called "sales" that they seem to miss. Of course, I'm talking about IT geek here. I know some very successful business nerds. I know a girl who is a big time tax nerd.. natural born bureaucrat, wildly successful.. wears a lot of suits.

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    4. Re:Why would I even want to be in the Boardroom by stiggle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sometimes management doesn't understand that the little things are more important than the money.

      In one job I had flexitime, but then we got new management in and tied a 5k GBP pay rise to loosing the flexi. I rejected the pay rise cause I liked the flexibility. They didn't understand why someone would turn down the extra money.

      Another one was leaving a job and taking over 50% pay cut to get a more relaxed job not in the city. Lifestyle and lack of stress is worth more than money (once you've enough to cover all the bills).

  3. But I Don't Want To Be In The Boardroom by pandrijeczko · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I know this is supposed to be a humourous article but I get really annoyed at these "business types" who consider anyone who isn't aiming for a 6/7 figure salary or who isn't treading on all of their work colleagues in order to reach the top, to be somehow abnormal - or even worse, demotivated or lazy.

    I'm in my mid-40s here in the UK, I've been a techie in telecoms and security for 25+ years now, I'm now a consultant earning a good salary as does my wife. Admittedly we've no kids but we've got our own home as well as two holiday homes overseas (not time-shares, fully ours) and I couldn't want for a better life. I work a 37.5 hour week and at 5:30pm I can pretty much forget about work until the following morning, but whilst I'm at work, I do work hard.

    So quite frankly, you can stuff your boardroom job, flashy cars, Armani suits, the endless travelling and hotel rooms, and the sixteen hour days because I'm not interested. I earn enough to live very comfortably provided that I'm careful but my life of "three thirds" is going great - one third work, one third sleep and one third pleasure...

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  4. Re:Stuffed Shirts and Suits in summer by Angostura · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's right. Why adjust the dress code slightly when you can install expensive refrigeration and hike up the energy bills.

  5. Well Said by bagsc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The general problem with "low level" employees is not that they aren't bright enough, or hard working enough to be management. The problem is that they only care about themselves.

    You get paid at work because you're useful to someone else. But "low level" employees do their tasks, and that's it. "High quality" employees succeed by figuring out how to constantly be more useful to their boss. Don't confuse this as "sucking up" - creating efficiencies, new opportunities, and helping your boss achieve his tasks means your organization is making more money, and some of that money will get directed to the source if it can be found.

    Lower management takes objectives and organizes the people to accomplish them for the middle management. A middle manager strives to hit the benchmarks for the upper management. The upper management strives to keep the profits growing for the CEO. The CEO is redirecting the company and dealing with the board of directors and everyone who wants his ear as the figurehead. Every step is about serving someone else - the CEO is a slave to the Board, who are slaves to the investors, who need the stock price to go up to pay for their retirement or their kids' tuition.

    If you want to be paid more, just keep trying to keep the end customer happy.

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  6. Re:Superficial crap by Confused · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Those people" are dinosaurs and there time is passing anyway. Hopefully as the "Gen X" and "Gen Y" kids start to displace their predecessors in the business world, it'll represent an opportunity to inject some fresh thinking and new approaches to things.


    You might be too young to remember, but in 1968 there was a big movement about changing society, authority, ditching old values etc. Today's revolutionaries are pretty tame compared to the the generation of 68. So what became of those revolutionaries and non-conformists? Today, they sit in suits and ties and are exactly those dinosaur managers you accuse of being the establishment incarnate. With Gen X and Gen Y - whatever those may be - exactly the same will happen and fresh approaches to things will be discarded like before.

    Life is too short to waste time worrying about what morons think about your belt and shoes.


    No, you got it wrong. For them life is to short waste time to figure out if that moron who can't even dress properly has other redeeming values.

    More generally speaking, clothes and appearance are the cues you give other people what to think about you. So if you dress like a techie, people will treat you like a techie (which is in short: Fix this and begone). This is perfectly fine, as long as you want that. However if you want to be treated differently (eg being taken seriously by people with decision power) you'll have a hard time. The easiest way to overcome this is send other signals. (eg dress in a cheap ill fitting suit with an atrocious tie for the used car salesman treatment). The extremes in this area are con men, who make it an art to appear a lot more than they are.

    Clothes are just a communication protocol: Learn the spec and use it when appropriate.
  7. Re:Suits do give a first impression by jotok · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's fine, because it rarely matters what you think of me so long as you do your job. As your consultant my job is to help make you successful--I find coming in with that kind of attitude (instead of demanding you kowtow because I have on a tie) defuses most of the friction you might expect when the customer has your attitude, and then we can collaborate to the extent required to get the job done.

    This is perhaps an example of those "great social skills," but some might call it "social intelligence." I'm hardly a social butterfly--actually, something of an introvert--but I know how to handle surly know-it-all geeks and this is why I keep getting hired again and again.

    The key to your employment, on the other hand, is your technical skills. You picked a field that fits you, which is great...A little social skill would probably help out but it doesn't need to be your bread & butter. We occupy differ niches, is all.

  8. Re:Who needs that, anyway? by Amilianna · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yep....women are ALL about shoes, and not just for themselves, apparently they put a good deal of importance in men who wear nice and often $$$ shoes. And if you spring for good shoes, you're probably gonna match the belt with them too.

    Speaking as a woman who couldn't give a rat's red behind about what shoes you are wearing, I think that this is an oversimplification. If you want that type of girl, then the shoes you wear, the car you drive, whether or not you know the right people will all influence whether or not she'll even give you the time of day. If you don't want that type of girl, then it really doesn't matter all that much. It is the same principle with the girls I know complaining that every guy they meet just wants their body. So I reply to them - well, stop meeting all the guys in bars! If you are doing things that attract a certain type of person - the type you don't really want - in an effort to find that one other person who is doing the same thing you are, chances are pretty good that you'll never find them. If you're not naturally the type of person to give a darn about expensive shoes, then don't put up a front. You'll be more likely to find someone you mesh with if you just be yourself.

    Okay, mini-rant done.

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