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Feds Block EFF Look at Google/DoJ Contacts

netbuzz writes "The Electronic Frontier Foundation wants to know all there is to know about contacts between Google and a Justice Department official involved in a highly charged 2006 government-snooping dispute that ensnared the search giant. That DoJ official, Jane Horvath, was subsequently hired by Google last year as senior privacy counsel. The DoJ has refused for six months to release public information about the matter being requested by EFF."

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  1. Judicial power by esocid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In a suit filed Tuesday in the U. S. District Court for the District of Columbia, the Electronic Frontier Foundation says Justice violated the Freedom of Information Act by withholding records it requested about Horvath and Google.
    Maybe they will be blocked by the Executive department's insistence that this is necessary to National Security somehow by protecting the kiddies. The FOIA isn't just some law that you can just ignore, contrary to what has been happening in the federal govt recently. The judicial branch needs to get some balls and start enforcing the laws that have been enacted. Maybe when I don't file my taxes, I'll simply declare that it was all in National Security that my financial information wasn't supplied. Somehow I don't see that going over well.
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  2. Re:5th Ammendment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    may be, but it doesn't necessarily have to be the crime accused of...

  3. Re:5th Ammendment? by plague3106 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, its a fancy way of keeping the government from holding a gun to your head while you're saying "I'm guilty."

  4. Re:Where's the Article? by ajs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What's really odd is that the article from NW says "a highly charged 2006 government-snooping dispute that ensnared the search giant." This is misleading at best.

    The 2006 case was an attempt by the DoJ to subpoena all search records from all major search engines in order to bolster support for government regulation of pornography. Everyone else but Google complied and turned over records. Google did not.

    The quote in the article makes it sound like Google was caught abusing their users' privacy when quite the opposite was true. If I ever trusted Network World, I think that trust would have just ended.

  5. Privacy Goes Both Ways by AnonymousRobin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm all for privacy. Which is why I think the guy is totally justified. If someone asked about MY contracts at work, I wouldn't feel that compelled to tell them, either. And I'd have no obligation to. It'd be different if he was actually working in the governmental capacity, because then the people are indirectly sorta the guy's boss. But when it's just him privately being hired, it's none of our business from any moral or legal obligation sort of standpoint.

    Google, though, would do well from a PR standpoint to at least formulate a response explaining what seems like a very odd decision. I'd appreciate it at least, since this sort of thing makes me feel pretty nervous. I don't really search for anything more exotic than cake recipes, technical documentation, or going through Wiki adventures where you start with wondering what the actual difference between a vegetable and fruit is and end up reading about quantum physics for some reason, but government snooping through stuff without cause is a bad thing and quite against the constitution those cool guys 200 years ago wrote up. Google has a good track record for not doing evil things, but still...

    1. Re:Privacy Goes Both Ways by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Which is why I think the guy is totally justified. If someone asked about MY contracts at work, I wouldn't feel that compelled to tell them, either

            But what about your municipality's contracts? Don't you want to know if the council are all shareholders of the company that keeps winning all the bids on construction?

            These are PUBLIC records. As far as I know no minors are involved, and nothing was ordered sealed by a judge. What happened to transparency in government, etc? The mere fact that someone doesn't want the public to know this means that laws were probably broken. You agree that the government should be allowed to KEEP breaking them?

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  6. Re:5th Ammendment? by JimDaGeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Mod up parent. I commented in this article, so I cannot spend any mod points.

    While the parents words may not be the most eloquent, they are right on the money. Well said, plague3106! B..B...B..ut if you have nothing to "hide", well you should not worry? Right?

    Hey, the government has every right to know all about us surfs. After all, it is no longer OUR tax dollars that the feds are spending. It is "their" money, and they can do what they want.

    You smoked a little pot in high school/college? Damn you! We have the war on DRUGS you idiot! You should go to jail. You filth.

    Oh, you KILLED someone? Well that is 25 years to life, with probation after only 10 months. Just don't let us catch you smoking teh pot. You will go down!

    War on Drugs
    War on Poverty
    War on terrorism
    War on...

    Hmm.. I am 35. In my 35 years as a born-and-raised American, I have been kept in a constant state of war. I served in the U.S.M.C, during the Gulf War, when I was 18 because I thought I "owed" it to my country.

    I am just really sad how I have lived under the "republicans" in a constant state of war, either at home or abroad. I am really looking forward to some Dems taking the wheel for a little while and see what we get. It may not be better, but I hope it is.

    As a 35 year old, born and raised American, I have not had one single 5 year period in my life where I didn't hear from the Republicans how we are in some state of "war". I don't know about you, but I am DAMN tired of war. I want some DAMN peace.

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  7. Re:5th Ammendment? by Digital+Vomit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am really looking forward to some Dems taking the wheel for a little while and see what we get. It may not be better, but I hope it is.

    Judging from history, it won't be. Even if the Democrats could/would bring peace, you can bet you'll get the shaft by having some rights taken away instead. You see, it kind of works like this:

    Republicans: we shaft you and you *know* it.

    Democrats: we shaft you, but we try to be discreet about it.

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  8. Re:5th Ammendment? by everphilski · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Same with airport security snooping in my laptop... I am not plugging my laptop into your plane, your servers, or anything that should concern you. It has nothing to do with people who have a bomb in their luggage.

    Ah, but the airplanes are not a public service in the sense a sidewalk is. It is a service that can be revoked if you don't follow the operating companies' procedures. Which is why you must present your baggage before boarding.

  9. Re:5th Ammendment? by oyenstikker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Democrats got the majority in both houses. They can end the wars. But they don't. It won't be better for us, it will be more of the same.

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  10. Re:5th Ammendment? by clang_jangle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually the classic pattern is this: First we get the Republicans, who spread paranoia and make war with everyone they can while using the resulting "security threats" as an excuse to fleece us all of rights and assets at every turn. Then, just when the populace is nearly ready to actually protest something we get the Democrats, who try to convince us we will rebuild now, while talking a lot about things that really matter (universal health care, ending poverty). The economy heals a bit, people have a bit more cash, some optimism returns and now the stage is set for the Republicans to come back and reap the riches from the people again. Lather, rinse, repeat ad nauseum. That's the way it's worked all my life...

    Democrats and Republicans are just two sides of the same evil coin, and the divisions are deliberately illogical (i.e. "pro life" people are generally pro death penalty and don't want to pay a dime for the well-being of kids unless it is to censor the media "for them", etc). Any sane, rational person will quickly become frustrated and resigned with our "democracy", seeing it for the fraud that it is. Everyone else will accuse that person of tin foil hattery, and voila! Our way of life is"still safe". Yesterday it was communists, today it's Al Qaida, tomorrow maybe it will be Jews or left-handed people or people with haxxor 5k1llz... The only constant is this New Feudal system masquerading as a "free country".

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