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Former FBI Agent Calls for a Second Internet
An anonymous reader writes "Former FBI Agent Patrick J. Dempsey warns that the Internet has become a sanctuary for cyber criminals and the only way to rectify this is to create a second, more secure Internet. Dempsey explains that, in order to successfully fight cyber crime, law enforcement officials need to move much faster than average investigators and cooperate with international law enforcement officials. The problem is various legal systems are unprepared for the fight, which is why he claims we must change the structure of the Internet."
Will the second internet have Third Life?
http://twitter.com/OLDTELEGRAM
That very annoying "internets" word will be real and I won't be able to threaten to kill a puppy every time sombody that should know better uses it.
... the FBI want's a pony.
If only we could create a second, more secure Nigeria.
Education is the silver bullet.
I'm not going to be lectured about the internet by Dr. McDreamy.
Rhymes that keep their secrets will unfold behind the clouds.There upon the rainbow is the answer to a neverending story
.. with blackjack, and hookers!
Yeah, last time I was in Washington, I saw a few. One of them is at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. and the other one is on the opposite end of the Mall.
My blog
so we can re-use our old forms. It's a bit surprising how effective this is.
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Patrick J. Dempsey, your post advocates a
(x) technical ( ) legislative ( ) market-based ( ) vigilante
approach to fighting international "cybercrime." Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work.
(One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from nation to nation.)
( ) spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses
(x) legitimate Internet uses would be affected
(x) no one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
( ) it is defenseless against brute force attacks
(x) it will protect us for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it
(x) users of the Internet will not put up with it
(x) microsoft will not put up with it
(x) the police will not put up with it
(x) requires too much cooperation from criminals
(x) requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
(x) many users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers
( ) spammers don't care about invalid addresses in their lists
( ) anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business
specifically, your plan fails to account for
(x) laws expressly prohibiting it
(x) lack of centrally controlling authority for the Internet
(x) open relays in foreign countries
( ) ease of searching tiny alphanumeric address space of all email addresses
(x) asshats
(x) jurisdictional problems
( ) unpopularity of weird new taxes
( ) public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
(x) huge existing software investment in the Internet
(x) willingness of users to install os patches received by email
(x) armies of worm riddled broadband-connected windows boxes
( ) eternal arms race involved in all filtering approaches
(x) extreme profitability of international crime
(x) joe jobs and/or identity theft
(x) technically illiterate politicians
( ) extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with criminals
(x) dishonesty on the part of criminals themselves
( ) bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering
( ) outlook
and the following philosophical objections may also apply:
(x) ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever been shown practical
( ) any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
(x) smtp headers should not be the subject of legislation
( ) blacklists suck
(x) whitelists suck
( ) we should be able to talk about viagra without being censored
( ) countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud
( ) countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks
(x) countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
( ) sending email should be free
(x) why should we have to trust you and your servers?
(x) incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
(x) feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
( ) temporary/one-time email addresses are cumbersome
(x) i don't want the government reading my email
( ) killing them that way is not slow and painful enough
furthermore, this is what i think about you:
( ) sorry dude, but i don't think it would work.
(x) this is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
( ) nice try, assh0le! i'm going to find out where you live and burn your house down!
When I moderate, I only use "-1, Overrated". That way, I never get meta-moderated!
calling it a sanctuary is hardly apt.
I believe the number is 1 in 5.
"The problem is various legal systems are unprepared for the fight..."
I think Mr. Dempsey misspelled 'all'...
Dempsey explains that, in order to successfully fight cyber crime, law enforcement officials need to move much faster than average investigators and cooperate with international law:
I call for a second FBI.
It's true no man is an island, but if you take a bunch of dead guys and tie 'em together, they make a good raft.
Actually, the internet is a sanctuary for cyber criminals. You don't find cyber criminals holding up armoured trucks at gun point, regular meat criminals do that, you find cyber criminals on the interwebs. That's why they're cyber criminals. The intertubes are a sanctuary for cyber criminals for exactly the same reason that the FBI is a sanctuary for corrupt FBI agents.
I totally recommend creating a second internet, and a second FBI, a second stock market, a second local primary school. Everything.
No one thing should get all the cred for harbouring criminals. If people want to be paranoid and really stupid, let them be paranoid and really stupid and have a good laugh at their expense.
I don't therefore I'm not.
Now, maybe I'm mis-remembering here, but I seem to remember hearing about this little doo-dad called "Internet 2." You know, for scientists and certain authorized parties and such.
But yeah, we definitely need to get to work on that "Internet 3." Screw Web 2.0, I'm already on Internet 3!
-G
Their may be a grammatical error, misspeling, or evn a typo in this post.
a wretched hive of scum and villainy.
Pulling common sense into a discussion about law enforcement is practically unamerican. We want more criminals, but harder penalties. Prevention doesn't fill jails, buddy.
Literalism isn't a form of humor, it's you being irritating.
Yeah, and these newfangled "automobiles" make it so much harder for the cops to catch crooks, since the cops now have to move so much faster, and even cooperate with cops in the next county. Instead of the cops getting automobiles and some radios of their own, we should get rid of automobiles, make them illegal, and instead give everyone some other kind of automobiles that all have cutoff switches in their motors that cops can stop with their radios.
And no criminals will ever figure out how to wire around the cutoff switches. Then cops can just go back to being lazy again. Oh, and by the way, we should let the cops trample all over our rights that we discarded because protecting those rights was too much work.
I feel safer already. Don't you?
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make install -not war
Dr. Montgomery, on the other hand, is more than welcome.
You can hold down the "B" button for continuous firing.
I guess it's a matter of taste, but holy moly, this story pretty much epitomizes the Slashdot Troll Story. At least it's a new* variety of Troll Story (see also, the RIAA-Bites-Man story, the Crazy-Patent story, the Pro-Microsoft story, the Spammer-Tells-his-Story story, the now-faded SCO story, and many more).
* I write this half-expecting someone to produce an old Slashdot story about a crackpot scheme involving setting up a New Internet in order to fight crime.
... where the agents are significantly smarter than this ex First FBI agent.
Former FBI Official Imaj Oke stated today that We need a new earth due to the massive amounts of crime and terrorism on this one.
"Our current planet is so rife with criminal activity that we need to populate a new planet that will be restricted only to fully law abiding citizens." He said at an interview earlier this afternoon, "Once we have established the new planet the old one will, of course no longer be necessary and will be dismantled for parts."
Oke went on to describe the technical merits of the new planet stating that life on the planet would be fully controlled by benevolent corporate monopoly interests to ensure that nobody's intellectual property is infringed.
Windows is a bonfire, Linux is the sun. Linux only looks smaller if you lack perspective.
Yes, we need a new Good Internet that the FBI, SS, RIAA, etc. will make safe and legal for everyone. The rest of us will stay on this one (to be renamed Evilnet).
Unlimited growth == Cancer.
The whole idea is that in Soviet Amerika, Second Internet spys on YOU!
Http://Stineomite.org (Yeah Thats Right I'm An Organization)
Pedo 2: 13, f, nyc. u?
Pedo 1: 12, f, nyc 2! Hmm, a network of only 13-year-olds.... So the real question is, would it be one giant digg?
Clearly, he hasn't read that the current Internet has a provision for this: the Evil Bit set in the IP header, as specified in RFC 3514, published 1 April 2003.
Dog is my co-pilot.
I heard NYPD will be testing this new concept developed by FBI: to deal with the Russian mafia problem a second, more secure Brooklyn will be set up on the outskirts of Ruby Valley, Nevada.
Can't he just recommend that routers check for the "evil bit"? It would be about as effective and much easier.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
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Two police agent decoys have entrapped each other.
(and the handcuff party a few days later gets kinky)
My net is completely safe:
My ISP caps my download so I can't download evil viruses
My ISP throttles my p2p traffic so I can't download music and become infected with the terrorist virus and become one of them like the RIAA video says
My websurfing experience constantly pops up with anticybercrime tools that I can buy for only 19.95, I have 204 of those tools installed so far
I have norton, so my internet apps are all blocked anyways and my computer is too slow to let me experience the web and get terrible cybercrime done to me.
Also, I installed vista SP1 and now my computer boots to a blue screen so it is even safer.
Why another internet?
PS. Without my PC, I decided to go play outside and got hit by a bus. Damn you internet!!!