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158 Pages of Microsoft's Dirty Laundry

KrispyRasher writes "Even internally, Microsoft couldn't agree on what the base requirements to run Vista were, but that didn't stop it from inaccurately promoting the OS as running on some hardware. 158 pages of Microsoft internal emails reveal scandalous truths about the squabbles that took place in the lead up to Vista's launch."

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  1. Re:The bigger problem is Vista running by rschwa · · Score: 1, Troll

    Or, for those that think you have to pay for software in order for it to work, go over to an Apple store and try OS X. OS X is free now? I thought it was like $129 every 3 months, or however often it is that they release a service pack.
  2. Re:The bigger problem is Vista running by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Or, for those that think you have to pay for software in order for it to work, go over to an Apple store and try OS X. Now, what part of "have to pay for software" did you miss there, Boy Wonder?
  3. Re:Vista Capable* by iocat · · Score: 0, Troll
    It's kind of insane. I've not seen anyone who uses Vista who doesn't absolutely hate it, and yet, all these idiots keep "upgrading" to it.

    I was in a demo yesterday and the guys -- who were far from idiots -- just could not get their powerpoint to work correctly on the projector *they brought* because of Vista. Also, it made me want to kill them every time they clicked on something and it was slower than GEOS on the C64 to react. Then their game demo chugged at 10fps because it too was on a Vista machine. It's just horrible and worthess. Our IT dept downgrades every machine to XP and seriously at this point doesn't anticipate ever standardizing on Vista. For me personally, I took one look at Vista and bought a Mac as my home machine.

    The sad thing is, I actually like XP. The Mac OS is good as well; much better than I remember from the first OSX. Considering I spend a ton of my time in the GUI switching between programs, GUI speed is paramount to me... thus, Vista is the worst.

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  4. Re:"M$ fanbois out here start modding this down" by ColdWetDog · · Score: 0, Troll

    And I really don't want to find out what would happen to you if would start mocking Apple.

    YO! Apple fanbois (and you girly-men too -

    I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty-headed Unix based bit wipers! I fart in your general direction! You mother was cell phone and your father wears turtlenecks.

    OK, let's see if I've riled them up.

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  5. Re:Too little, too much by xbytor · · Score: 0, Troll

    > A friend tried it on two systems (one is a new quad-core) and is much happier now. So where does that get you?
    > Basically, system that looks like Windows 2000, performs like XP, and has the underneath the cover features of > Vista like "enhanced" security, searching, etc.

    So I need to upgrade to quad core to get the performance I have now with no significant gain in functionality? It's nice to know what a real Vista platform requires, I just hope I don't get any significant new work that requires me getting a new box to do what I'm already doing on my current hardware.

    I've been on the same box now for almost 3 years now. I no longer have a compelling need to upgrade every 18 months like I had in the past. But I am thinking of upgrading my Mac Mini to one of the new iMacs.

  6. Re:Vista IS THE ANSWER! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Microsoft has an engineering problem as XP proved to be extremely capable for the current hardware (it really shines on laptops) and extremely successful OS -- the best Microsoft desktop product so far. They try hard, but run into problems and some compromises proved to be far from perfect. That happens with products of such complexity and such a wide use so do not gloat about it -- it's really difficult to dominate any market.
    Forget about linux -- it is not a competitor for Vista on mass market -- the only real competitor is XP. Linux on laptop sucks, let's be honest about it. Even the best distributions (IMHO) suse) are far behind in real usability.
    But still for the price Vista is a very good deal (TM) for slightly more then $100 (retail) or slightly less (with new PC) you get a real masterpiece of software engineering that is cable to use laptop hardware 100%.
    We should remember that this price less then $100 is a shareware price and huge discount for such a complex product. I see often prices $40 for a pretty limited utility. For example Adobe Acrobat (full version) costs more and in comparison with Vista complexity is just nothing. And how much does Adobe charge for this crap ?

    Vista works and will work better with time. Aero is an impressive interface although I am perfectly OK with the current XP interface and capabilities. Also Office 2007 use XML and that opens new possibilities and costs like shareware too (student edition). Only idiot in USA should settle for less for this price.

    Stop this childish winning -- Microsoft keeps linux honest (especially on desktop) and sells excellent product for a very low price. Linux should be pronounced "not-Windows" for a reason :-)

    Microsoft is far from being perfect but it is a really successful software company that enforces some hardware standard on which linux rides. Please show some respect for the achievement even if this is an achievement of the opponent. Posts dictated by envy is a road to nowhere.

  7. Re:Vista IS THE ANSWER! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    For 1000 points, "What's the world's crappiest OS?"

  8. Re:Intel 910? It's a MS incompetent devs by kaizokuace · · Score: 0, Troll

    well according to MS you are gay unless you are a GAMER! If you don't run a card that does DX10 then you made a mistake! Why else would you get something less than a DX10 compatible card? Cuz its cheaper? Preposterous! As a result they made using regular fuckin windows require some power just to make a point. That point is that you are all yuppies! If you wanted an OS and hardware that would have worked without you having to ask questions you should have got a Mac. Also Compiz, tho totally sweet (there aint no wobbley windows in Vista), isnt perfect and causes stuff to fuck up. I mostly have problems when I want to run windowed 3D crap like Maya. Basically we as consumers are all fucked. MS obviously fucks us. Apple tricks us into thinking we arent fucked but before you realize it you turned gay. And Linux isnt and may never be a finished product. :*\

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