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Japan Seeking to Govern Top News Web Sites

RemyBR writes "A Japanese government panel is proposing to govern "influential, widely read news-related sites as newspapers and broadcasting are now regulated." The panel, set up by the Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications, said Internet service providers (ISPs) should be answerable for breaches of vaguer "minimum regulations" to guard against "illegal and harmful content." The conservative government, led by the Liberal Democratic Party, or LDP, is seeking to have the new laws passed by Parliament in 2010."

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  1. Never fails by tkrotchko · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Governments, no matter how benign, really hate unfettered access to information.

    The most discouraging part is a majority of people seem to agree ("...well, as long as it's to fight the terrorist...").

    The most predictable part is someone will say "...this isn't about free speech".

    A truism: "When somebody says 'this isn't about free speech', it almost certainly is".

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  2. Putin-like by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Soon after the war we followed the U.S. model with the government issuing licenses through the FCC," Hizumi said. "As one party, the LDP, came to dominate politics, it sought more control of the media so the FCC was abolished. There is no ombudsman here, so the government controls the media directly.

    It sounds like a Putin-style media. Free-press is getting harder to find in the world.

    1. Re:Putin-like by webmaster404 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It sounds like a Putin-style media. Free-press is getting harder to find in the world.

      No its much easier. With the Internet its very very easy to find free press. /. is a good example, Wikileaks is another. CNN and Fox news aren't exactly much "free-press" and if this is "top news sites" that is probobly exactly what the Japanese government seeks to regulate the CNNs and Fox news of Japan not the /. and Wikileaks although they are probably next. So no, free press isn't hard to find, it is much easier then 50 years ago, you no longer need a printing press and paper just a 'net connection and a computer to report.
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  3. strange... by superflytnt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The conservative government, led by the Liberal Democratic Party"

    There's something a little odd about that name, don't you think?

    1. Re:strange... by causality · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "The conservative government, led by the Liberal Democratic Party"

      There's something a little odd about that name, don't you think?

      Sounds like the USA to me. "Liberal" and "Conservative", yet no matter which is elected the government expands in size and power. Clever, isn't it? That there might be no real difference between them is a fact about which we are more honest when it comes to other countries, apparently.
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    2. Re:strange... by STrinity · · Score: 5, Informative

      "The conservative government, led by the Liberal Democratic Party"

      There's something a little odd about that name, don't you think?


      Only if you assume that American political terminology is standard for the rest of the world.
       
      In most places "liberal" is equivalent to what Americans call "libertarian," and the parties Americans call "liberal' are known as "labor" or "left".
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    3. Re:strange... by J0nne · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Liberal" means something completely different outside of the US.

    4. Re:strange... by Scrameustache · · Score: 5, Funny

      "The conservative government, led by the Liberal Democratic Party"

      There's something a little odd about that name, don't you think?
      Sounds like the USA to me. "Liberal" and "Conservative", yet no matter which is elected the government expands in size and power. Clever, isn't it? That there might be no real difference between them is a fact about which we are more honest when it comes to other countries, apparently.

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    5. Re:strange... by flyneye · · Score: 3, Informative

      Truthfully here Democrats and Republicans are cut from the same powerhungry, force-your-dictatorial-philosophy cloth in spite of the differences in the lies they extrude through your enemy and mine,the Press.
      Makes you wonder: A.if Japan has the equivalent of a Libertarian party.
                                                                    B. why we haven't had another revolution yet.
      Makes ya think,donut?

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    6. Re:strange... by Samgilljoy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Only if you assume that American political terminology is standard for the rest of the world.

      In most places "liberal" is equivalent to what Americans call "libertarian," and the parties Americans call "liberal' are known as "labor" or "left".

      Just want to second that. Here in the U.S., conservatives have labored since the 60's at least to redefine the term "liberal" for their own benefit. They achieved success in late 70's/early 80's. At this point, few people know any meaning for the term other than what the political class uses. Still, everyone is pretty far away from Latin liberalis at this point. I wonder whether the concept behind that term will ever be strong enough again to merit a word that unambiguously denotes it.

      "Liberal" in U.S. political discourse is the result of an extremely successful and masterful propaganda/marketing campaign. I despise the result, but damn, you have to admire such conceptual and linguistic control of the masses.

    7. Re:strange... by meringuoid · · Score: 3, Insightful
      In most places "liberal" is equivalent to what Americans call "libertarian," and the parties Americans call "liberal' are known as "labor" or "left".

      Actually, what Americans call 'liberal' we call 'moderate Conservative'. What we call left-wing, Americans call pinko Commie traitors.

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    8. Re:strange... by Atlantis-Rising · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The definition of 'liberal' has changed drastically since its arguable inception in the early 17th century. The development is fascinating and also, to a great degree, logically sound, but that's another issue entirely.

      Suffice it to say that the word 'liberal' is not a clearly defined word. John Locke, for example, did not support democracy. Liberalism in its most original form was essentially a philosophy supporting freedom and equality for the people in all forms. Eventually this morphed into liberal socialism; which supported the state providing for individuals so that they had equality of opportunity as well as freedom of opportunity. Modern liberalism, as a rule, continues along this trend, integrating more elements of socialism into it.

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  4. Re:Can't resist... by m94mni · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are you kidding?

    So when a news agency reports about irregularities in the next election, and the government forces the story to be clearly marked as speculation and inaccurate, you see no problem with that?

    Censorship regimes take many forms. You still have things to learn.

  5. Precedent already set: Japan powerless to rule web by etymxris · · Score: 5, Informative
    See 2ch.net:

    There are numerous civil actions against Hiroyuki by individuals and corporations for slander and defamation. Hiroyuki so far ignored every court order and has never shown up for any trial and he has lost every civil case brought against him by default. Hiroyuki does not hold any sizable asset in Japan and any financial gain by Hiroyuki (bar what the court rule as necessary living expense) is subject to foreclosure. 2channel's assets are all held overseas; the servers are located in California and the domains are owned by a United States registrar. Moreover, technically, Hiroyuki does not own 2channel. None of the winners of civil action collected any money from Hiroyuki.

    In January 2007, a small court in Japan, making a judgement on yet another slander case, announced that 2channel's holding company was bankrupt and it would be repossessed. This claim was openly mocked by Hiroyuki on 2channel's splash page, and nothing of the sort happened, although 2channel's Japanese ISP ended its operations.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2ch#Free_speech Basically, any website that doesn't want government regulation will just relocate its servers to the U.S. Due to the differing laws, they will not be able to subpoena IP logs or have any way of getting at the people that post to the site. The owner of the site may have some trouble if he continues living in Japan, but there will probably be ex patriots in the U.S. willing to "own" the site to avoid such trouble.
  6. There are better ways to stop libel. by gnutoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    See US Liable Laws for a good, civil way to take care of malicious harm. Barriers are high to prevent abuse, it's done after the fact and has nothing to do with the government except for the government providing a neutral judge and documentation of the case. Free speech is so important that prior restraint is reserved only for extreme danger like nuclear weapon design and even then it's debatable. Other restraints like the DMCA are laughable and will be struck down sooner than later.

    Setting up a powerful board with a vague mandate is a very different kettle of fish. Analogies to broadcast don't hold internet water. The public interest in pull media demands freedom and neutrality where the public interest in once scarce spectrum demanded accountability. We have all seen how abused that power over broadcast was ... because we now have free internet news for fact checking. That free media has proved more consistent, informative and reliable than broadcast ever was. "Regulation" of the internet will make it look more like broadcast than reliable or truthful. Without care, it will be pure censorship and can also be used to smear and cause harm without redress.

    It is hard to believe that this basic issue has escaped the attention of those planning "accountability".

  7. Re:Can't resist... by rubycodez · · Score: 4, Insightful

    do you live in the U.S.A? could you imagine the Bush regime making the standards for "verifiable accuracy", look at their distortions to justify war and warmongering, cover-ups for environmental damage and interfering with scientific studies, etc.

  8. Re:Precedent already set: Japan powerless to rule by dattaway · · Score: 4, Funny

    just relocate its servers to the U.S. Due to the differing laws, they will not be able to subpoena IP logs or have any way of getting at the people that post to the site.

    Sure, just post it to wikileaks.

  9. Re:Can't resist... by SL+Baur · · Score: 5, Informative

    The LDP are on their way out. They got their butts kicked in the last election and lost the upper house. They haven't been able to sustain a majority of their own in 10 years and have enlisted the help of the Soka Gakkai[1], pardon me I mean the New Komeito Party.

    The LDP have had a total monopoly on Japanese politics since WWII. It would be most amusing for this to pass, the to-be-regulated web sites "move" out of Japanese jurisdiction and life goes on as before. Japanese always ignore warning signs[2] when noone is looking, so I wouldn't expect this to amount to much no matter what.

    [1] Soka Gakkai and IKEDA Daisuke are to Japan what the Church of Scientology and L. Ron Hubbard are to the US. My source? I was unhappily married to one.

    [2] I have a really cool digital photo of the highway bus terminal in Tsukuba. There
    s a sea of bicycles completely burying a sign in back which reads "no bicycle parking here".

  10. Re:Can't resist... by Goaway · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well don't leave us hanging here! Were you married to L. Ron Hubbard, or Ikeda Daisuke?

  11. Re:Can't resist... by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    do you live in the U.S.A? could you imagine the Bush regime making the standards for "verifiable accuracy",

    Yes...because all the other administrations have been so much better. Please.
    I'll be glad when Bush is out of office. Because then you'll have to blame the lies, cover-ups, and simple fuckups of the government on someone else.

    Hell no, I wouldn't want the Bush admin having control over these 'standards'. I wouldn't want any other administration having that power either.

  12. Oh Liberal Democratic Party... by Kuukai · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They scream bloody murder about how implementing a human rights treaty they signed over a decade ago will stiffle free speech, but it's fine if they do it. Bigotry is okay, but we can't have any "illegal and harmful content."

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  13. Re:Can't resist... by badasscat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Censorship regimes take many forms. You still have things to learn.

    Xenophobia takes many forms too. And you also have things to learn.

    Things in Japan work differently than they do here. In some ways, they have more freedoms than we do. In other ways, they may have fewer. On balance, their system works. It is different than ours, but it works. They have a low crime rate, one of the world's largest economies, very low poverty, and nobody who lives there ever complains about government oppression that I've ever seen. There is no "Patriot Act" in Japan, for example - nothing to the same extent, anyway.

    One of the reasons their government probably works as well as it does is that election campaigns only last a matter of weeks, by law, and there are restrictions on how the press reports on them. There is not this free-for-all, superficial shrill screaming back and forth for literally years on end where people are forced to choose up sides and fight rather than work together.

    I'm not arguing against freedoms of the press. What I'm saying is nothing is completely unregulated (the press here are not allowed to write libelous articles just because they don't like someone, for example), and it's wrong to assume that the restrictions Japan puts on its press or its citizens are somehow worse than the restrictions we put on our press or our citizens. We don't have some magic formula here that every other country has to copy. Other countries can do things their own way and still allow their citizens to live full and free lives.

  14. Re:Can't resist... by joggle · · Score: 4, Informative

    Citizens in Japan don't have nearly as much political power as they do in America. They can not vote for the prime minister but only lower-level members. They can not vote on whether large projects should occur like they can in America. I remember when a proposal to build a high-speed rail test track was on the ballot in Colorado my Japanese friends were astonished that we could vote on such a thing.

    People in Japan are very much self-censored through societal pressure. It's really a totally different working environment from what I've seen and rather freedom-reducing since people are strongly encouraged to not stand out but to fit in with the rest as best as you can. This is true at least in Tokyo, but from what a friend of mine who lived for two years in the countryside tells me it's the same there. Youths can stand out but once you reach adulthood it's a totally different story.

  15. Re:Can't resist... by MidnightBrewer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Japanese do not have more freedom than Americans, and their system works, but only barely. They have a low crime rate because fewer crimes are reported, not because they're not occurring (something that has been changing in recent years). There is no Patriot Act, but I'm now required to have my fingerprints and photo taken every time I come home to Japan, even though I've lived here for six years, work as a teacher, and have a Japanese wife, and despite the fact that the only terrorist acts ever committed in Japan were done by Japanese.

    Election campaigns only lasting a few weeks means that the people have less time to hear about what's going on, have less time to discuss, and are usually less informed when they finally vote on somebody. Also, candidates are legally limited by how much of the population they can attempt to reach at any one time outside of certain channels - hand-outs, for example, can only be distributed to 8% of the voting population.

    How are restrictions on how the press reports on a candidate beneficial? When they're discouraged from revealing things that might cast a candidate in a negative light, even though everybody might be a lot better off knowing? Also, while the Japanese press never writes negative articles about all things Japanese, they feel no such restriction when it comes to writing libelous articles about foreign governments, companies or individuals.

    Japan manages to function pretty much exactly the way it always has for the last couple of centuries despite the imposition of the American-written constitution because just like any country, their politicians know how to interpret the law in ways that benefit their own agendas. Those that are in power tend to stay in power; Diet seats still manage to be passed down through powerful families, regardless of the "democratic" process, and the government is currently trying to instill fear into their citizens to serve their own ends.

    I recently had my conversation class at the high school where I teach writing about critical issues, and some of the students chose "internet regulation" as a topic. I let them write about it, even though I wasn't sure just how it counted as a critical issue, but now I see by this article that they were responding to the tripe that the media has been feeding people as the government ramps up to passing these stricter regulations.

    Remember, in Japan, "the nail that sticks up gets hammered down." The Japanese don't appreciate dissent, and those that are above you are supposed to be all-knowing and infallible, come hell or high water.

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  16. Re:Knee-jerk didn't read article, dismiss Japan by Carbon016 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That constitutional ban (actually, the entire constitution) was not achieved by the LDP. In fact, the LDP did not even exist at the time the constitution was written. It was achieved by General MacArthur as SCAP during the occupation. The Diet simply copied his suggestion with some very basic changes and voters approved it.

    The LDP has ended up creating a "capitalist development state" that thrives on neo-fascistic cooperation between government and corporate entities, dominate the government largely through being the most general party of any country ever, choose successors (which will by default become president) by the old cliche of smoke-filled back rooms, and historically have promoted both stupid banks and pork projects to prop up uncompetitive businesses with loans that will never be paid off and spending that dramatically overvalued those projects. This both led to and resulted from a massive economic crisis in the 1990s which still has effects. How did they attempt to fix it? They elected a crazy populist Koizumi ten years later who managed to clean most of the economic messes up. It's still a nightmare if you look at it from a Western perspective: corruption and scandal is essentially everywhere. It works, but we shouldn't be too quick to hold the LDP up as a bastion of reform and liberalism because it's basically a party that stands for nothing.