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Building an IT Infrastructure Around Mars
bfwebster writes "Space.com has an article talking about the efforts to observe the arrival of the Phoenix lander on Mars this coming May using current Mars orbiters. This community will likely be intrigued to see the ways in which NASA is using existing landers and orbiters to prepare for, and then monitor, that landing. This includes using the landers Spirit and Opportunity to simulate transmissions from Phoenix as a testing procedure in advance of the actual landing; using the Odyssey orbiter as a high-speed data transmission link from Phoenix to Earth during the landing; and using the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter and Mars Express orbiter as backup data stores for Phoenix data transmissions during the descent. How long until we get a terabyte solid-state dataserver (running IPv6, natch) in orbit around Mars?"
Mars needs women!
I would guess the line leasing fee's to be out of this world. *cough*
So basically, -1 troll/offtopic is really slashdots way of saying "I hate that you thought of something before me."
This is too much! Someone should do something with Australia's data allowance per month first. 2GB a month for $29 is just ridiculous.
Talk about long distance. Maybe they should go wireless. Anyway, this idea is plain cool to me; an astronomy-lover fanatic. I have NO idea what they would do with it, but it'd still be cool to have an IT server around our planet just around the block in the Sol System neighborhood (wow, that sounds cheesy. Oh well, I always say 'Corn and Cheese makes the world go 'round').
-Aegis Runestone-
Does TCP/IP even support a 30 minute latency?
If you understood regular expressions you would know that * doesn't stand for a single character. Go back to college and try passing your automata class again, weakling.
...Martian Packets
... to see if any computers that aren't on the net are thinking that we should do this. :)
It sure sounds like the plot to Man Plus might be coming true, excuse the bat wings.
Art imitates life once again.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens.
That's it? One measly terabyte? For the whole planet?
by suggesting IPv6 you've guaranteed it will never be implmented...
A better point for the exploration of the solar system is *when* can we set up a complete solar system that involves an information discovery and transmission system system which exceeds that which humans can carry out!
The recent proposal to send humans to Mars is idiotic. I.e. we send take months and god knows how many $$ to send a few humans to Mars and then bring them back. What kind of an idiotic idea is that? One should be engaged (and I hope the folks at NASA are reading this) in a serious discussion of what is the information retrieval rate of a space probe (robotic explorer, etc.) vs.a human being?
And so the discussion should be when the light speed transmission of information across the solar system will exceed the mass transport of humans across the solar system?
I never get tired of that.
I suppose the biggest question is, how long until CCP gets an EVE server up there?
Operation Guillotine is in effect.
PirateBay looks on with keen interest...
WARNING: Smartphones have side effects--most of them undocumented.
Right, its stands for ZERO or more. In other words, his **AA is not incorrect, but you are incorrect for attempting to correct him. Also, *******AA is equally correct.
Modding Trolls +1 inciteful since 1999
"4.294 billion ip's ought to be enough for any planet"
the plot of Doom 3?
Monstar L
Which is why you can ***add as ********************* many ************as you want.
Engineering is the art of compromise.
It doesn't stand for zero. It stands for the epsilon string, or "more". It's called the Kleene closure.
I told my parents, when I move out I'm only going to live in a place that's got broadband. So I'm not moving to Mars until they got broadband! And none of that 8 minute ping time stuff. I can't play Starcraft like that. Run the backbone through a wormhole!
Google's Super Secret Search Algorithm: SELECT @search_results FROM internet WHERE @search_results = 'good'
Run Linux or BSD on the thing, and it will not require a reboot.
..somewhere with a worse ping time than us! (As long as the mars rovers play UT / WOW, I will actually be able to 0WN!!)
Building an IT Infrastructure Around Mars sounds like an excellent new topic for "Ask Slashdot". There are enough experts here in the most random scientific arenas to discuss something hypothetically very cool.
Funtime Candy Wow! - my plan for eventually conquering Japan.
Actually, no, unless he means to include AAA, for example. He only means RIAA and MPAA, so one proper expression (there are different conventions) would be {RI, MP}AA.
Given that, I want to use this opportunity to implore all slashdotters to use {uni,linu}x, instead of *nix. This is a serious problem!
Don't forget the butter.... mmm... butter....
man, I feel like mold.
It was in the works for a comm/gps system for Mars. Once W. invaded Iraq, he cut all budgets. This sat system went out the door. Now, we are looking at using the nano sats for doing something similar around the moon. It is possible that the same system will be replicated at mars. In particular, a number of techs were and are being developed to make this work. We now have a cheap, small, low energy nuclear clock. In addition, we are seeing efficiency increases in solar cells as well as energy storage systems. All of these will contribute to allow us to send a small cheap system to Mars.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Who on Mars will ever need more than one terabyte?
The game.
That's a bit like saying I should buy a castle rather than live in my apartment, since it's a much nicer place to live. While true, that completely ignores price.
Similarly, a human can do much more than Spirit, but you can probably send 10000 rovers like that for the same amount it costs to send one human.
There is already RFC supporting transmitting data over large-delay lines (e.g. from Mars). See RFC 1149.
This seems to fit in nicely with the MarsDirect idea, which revolves around having a lot of the infrastructure for a manned mission already in place before the astronauts leave Earth. I'd flat-out love to see us take the first real step off the planet before I croak.
We'll have to do it sooner or later, anyway. Why not now?
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
Technically he should've prefixed with * with a character range or sub-regex to operate on - what he had was at best a glob. As for the correctness of "**IA", it depends on whether one is trying to match "RIAA" or "MPAA", or match those strings exclusively.
Evidently, the key to understanding recursion is to begin by understanding recursion. The rest is easy.
Tera-byte? This is Mars, not Earth. It should be Areo-byte, shouldn't it?
When our name is on the back of your car, we're behind you all the way!
1 terabyte should be enough for everyone.
More rocks.
Unlike Discworld, on Mars, its rocks, all the way down. The ones studied by Soujourner are among the most expensive rocks in history. The ones studied in that 30 minutes would BE the most expensive rocks in history. But they'd still be rocks!
Help poke pirates in the eyepatch, arr.
We're sending up all those probes to build a network and prepare for the first manned exploration and (eventually) colonization.
Has anyone realized that if Mars were inhabited, this would essentially be War of the Worlds in reverse?
Little green people, prepare to be invaded!
The article could leave one with the impression that this is an 11th hour ad hoc improvisation, when nothing could be further from the truth. Using existing [Martian] satellites as relay stations for other satellites and landers has been part of the plans for at least a decade.
According to Kurt Vonnegut Jnr, it stands for arsehole - *
Don't be apathetic. Procrastinate!
Take a look at http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-ipnrg-arch-01 and check out cool ASCII-art figures about example topology. (Basically, they are thinking about adding a "bundle layer" between IP and TCP to make TCP work without timeouts becoming issue..)
Guess we'll have to accept martian packets now.
3. The United States Government were mighty white to share the technology embedded in their GPS system for commercial use...
I haven't heard that phrase used since the '80s. It seemed to me to have a dual meaning -- on the surface, a compliment, if you accept the underlying dynamic. But it's a backhanded compliment, implying that you've done something that is so obvious that you'd have to be pretty goofy *not* to do it. That's the disturbing part -- if you hadn't done it, you'd be "not white".
The opposite term, equally disturbing, would be "Indian Giver", a term for someone who promises something they have no intention of delivering.
Both terms are so historically backward that it hurts; it was the white establishment that systematically denied non-whites basic human rights, and it was the Native Americans who were promised things that the US Government consistently refused to give.
I sincerely hope that neither "that's mighty white of you" nor "Indian Giver" make any sense at all to anyone born after 1990.
Stressed? Me? Of course not. Stress is what a rubber band feels before it breaks, silly.
Timing's about right. I think.
Operation Guillotine is in effect.