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Bad Science Journalism Gets Schooled

TaeKwonDood writes "Biology post-doc Dr. Michael White takes a look at the '2007 Best American Science and Nature Writing' and doesn't like what he finds in an article called Bad Science Journalism and the Myth of the Oppressed Underdog. Turns out it's not just political writers who pick a position they want to advocate and then write stories to confirm it. Science journalism gets a scolding and it's been a long time coming."

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  1. Of course ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    This NEVER comes into play with controversial subjects like evolution or global warmimg. (cough)

    1. Re:Of course ... by Dan+Ost · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are relevant experts on both sides of the global warming debate.
      As far as I can tell, there are only relevant experts on one side of the evolution debate.

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    2. Re:Of course ... by CorSci81 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, but there aren't really two sides in the global warming debate. I don't know of any credible expert who denies that humans are drastically raising CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere and that it's going to change the climate somehow. The ongoing debate is over what's going to happen next, but that's a very complicated debate with a lot of subtlety and doesn't make for a good right vs. left narrative so it doesn't really get covered properly in the media. Instead what we get is whackjobs saying "Climate change isn't real! Humans aren't doing anything!" getting air time trying to shout down the scientists who devote their careers to studying this subject. Or we get pseudo-science documentaries about the scary "reality" of global warming that only shows a combination of all of the worst case scenarios. Neither of these is acceptable or responsible journalism.

  2. Rather obvious by The+Ancients · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is quite logical, as it's human nature to do so, and not a direct result of one's career field.

    Even simple background research on the authors of articles in many different fields reveal that yes, the majority of writers are biased, either consciously, or otherwise.

    1. Re:Rather obvious by ChameleonDave · · Score: 5, Insightful

      yes, the majority of writers are biased, either consciously, or otherwise.

      More than the majority. I'd say that everyone is necessarily biased about everything, because we can never avoid the fact that we approach every issue with some sort of background or perspective.

      However, there are those who are biased, and those who are biased and also throw all logic to the wind.

    2. Re:Rather obvious by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is quite logical, as it's human nature to do so, and not a direct result of one's career field. You're absolutely correct. Think of all the stories of some technological innovation you've heard that follow this same pattern. ("Everyone believed that building a kerbudle with transducing fleebs was impossible, but one lonely inventor decided to try it. [Story continues, ignoring that the inventor was paid to do the investigation, however long a shot it was deemed, by some well-known company, etc.]") Or even business: "Everyone said that Microsoft's/Apple's/Intel's/etc's hold on X market was unassailable, but this plucky [they're always plucky] little start-up set out to fight the Goliath." It's human nature and it's good story-telling, which is what sells science articles.

      Question is, is there another way to tell the stories that isn't so formulaic and that doesn't give such an incorrect impression?
    3. Re:Rather obvious by ILuvRamen · · Score: 3, Funny

      speaking of that, your post implies that you seem biased against biased people ;)

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    4. Re:Rather obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      Question is, is there another way to tell the stories that isn't so formulaic and that doesn't give such an incorrect impression?
      Yes: Publish papers in a journal.

      Real science shouldn't be the interest of the mainstream media, which wants to fill the pages with human interest stories. Stories about science, rather than about personalities, are generally "boring" and results-oriented, and don't really belong in the mainstream press. The news media should only really need to cover a science story every so often, when a major breakthrough comes to light. (For example, the big to-do over the first discoveries of extrasolar planets. Even here, though, no more than a little blurb is really warranted; in an effort to fill space, journalists engage in a lot of navel-gazing to go into the backgrounds of the researchers involved, etc.)

      I think the real problem is that the media has "science journalists" that need to justify their existence by filling "science sections" with ever-more "content." A typical bureaucrat's competition for resources.
    5. Re:Rather obvious by rmckeethen · · Score: 1

      Question is, is there another way to tell the stories that isn't so formulaic and that doesn't give such an incorrect impression?

      That's an excellent question, and I think the answer is; yes, there are numerous ways to tell a good story regarding science. One slight modification to the lone-scientist-against-the-establishment narrative might be to cast the scientific method itself as the hurdle for our budding young scientist to overcome. This approach would allow the writer to detour into describing what the scientific method is and why it's important to scientists. That's one obvious avenue to better frame the story, but I suspect there are many, many other ways to better tell the tale.

      However, I think the real trick in good science journalism is in writing a story that informs the average reader about what's truly happening in the scientific community. In addition, the essense of good science journalism is also in writing a story that's both accurate and entertaining for the lay reader. Truth be told, much of the ongoing work in any scientific field is difficult to understand for those not deeply involved in the subject material. I don't think it's reasonable to expect the general public to hit the science journals on a regular basis and come away with a detailed understanding of current work in the field. If the public is to have any awareness at all of what's happening in science, someone has to summarize the data and present it in a form suitable for a non-scientist to grasp. Given the myriad other pop-trash tales and lurid features Lehrer could have chosen to write about, I'm impressed that he's devoting column inches to writing about any current issue of scientific interest. While Dr. White may fault Lehrer for his formulaic approach to covering Roughgarden's work, I'm applauding the guy for at least making the attempt. He may be framing the issues in a dogmatic way, and he may be tweaking the subject material to interject a little drama into the story, but that's a minor issue I'm willing to live with given the greater good in telling the story at all.

      Journalists are not scientists -- they are never going to treat scientific subjects with the asme kind of dispassionate rigor you'll find in peer-reviewed journals. Journalists are storytellers; that's their job, and it's quantifiably different from the kind of work actual scientists perform.

    6. Re:Rather obvious by PCM2 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Question is, is there another way to tell the stories that isn't so formulaic and that doesn't give such an incorrect impression?

      Yeah. Sure -- if you're, like, good at your job.

      (Though I would add that criticism like yours is what we in the media field need more of.)

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    7. Re:Rather obvious by vux984 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      However, there are those who are biased, and those who are biased and also throw all logic to the wind.

      AND there are those who are biased, know they are biased, and do their best to present the other side of the story and choose neutral words...to help mitigate their bias and be as balanced as humanly possibly.

    8. Re:Rather obvious by ChameleonDave · · Score: 1

      AND there are those who are biased, know they are biased, and do their best to present the other side of the story and choose neutral words...to help mitigate their bias and be as balanced as humanly possibly. Well, I was kind-of counting those people in the first group — the ones who are biased but don't throw logic to the wind.
    9. Re:Rather obvious by professionalfurryele · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While bias is a problem, I think a larger problem is that journalists are by and large either lazy or over worked. Yes there are a few good ones, but like politicians most are caught up in the established way of doing business and either cant or wont work against it.

      The problem is this. Researching a story properly (not just science), a good story, should, unless it is breaking news take anywhere up to a month to perfect. First you have to understand the field the story is in, be it science, politics etc. Most Journalists specialise so getting the basics for this process shouldn't take too long. However most journalists aren't specialised enough. Having a science correspondant with a major (or worse minor) in physics is pretty close to useless if the story is about some new technique in microbiology. So instead of needing a day to get up on the material, it should take a week. However, since you have to publish publish publish you cant afford to take that amount of time.

      Now you know the facts of the story as they were relayed by the PI or one of his or her lackeys. Now you need to interview experts in the field to get a feel for how ground breaking the research is and how novel it is. Of course you don't know the field and don't have time to reseach it, so the PI gives you a list of people you can talk to about it, who through design or accident happen to be all his chums in the field. You would go and check thier credentials (beyond is their degree real) but you don't have time. So now you find out how novel the idea really is, or you find out how novel the PI's friends think it is. However you have already spent time on this and you need it to be publishable. So what do you do? Well it might stand on it's own somewhat, then you take what is probably an exciting piece of work, and you present it as though it were the golden panacea that will save the universe from the crab people. Or it turns out to be something that while important scientifically, probably wont be of much interest to the public at large. So you either find crazy cook 17 and get them to say something contraversial about how this reseach is another example of the establishment attacking their crazy idea, or you try to find some way to make it look like it runs counter to the established idiology of the evil facist scientific shadow conspiracy. Sure it's not a breakthrough but maybe it's the lone hero fighting off the dragon and having his way with the hot blond princess (oh how your article would be read more if you could only put a picture board of that happening at the bottom).

      So now you have sexed it up and you write your piece. A piece you should have taken another week to understand the science of, but you have a deadline. What is worse, what took you half a day to get your vague understanding of people will only read for 3 minutes on a bus half awake on thier way to work. If you don't dumb it down even more then they are going to read about Britneys latest stupid hair cut instead. So you simplify things to the point a retarded goat could understand it. Now that the actual science content is comperable to the back of a pack of smarties, your mind turns elsewhere. As you are writing your piece you keep in mind that if you are going to avoid getting fired you have to ensure your stories get run, so you make sure regardless of the science the article reflects the axe that your editor/publisher/guy with all the money has to grind.

      End result, a bias, unclear, poorly thought out piece of work, which will sell (not as well as trashy gossip, but well enough), but not inform. What is worse, if you did do things the 'right way' there would be less science in the newspapers and magazines, and what science there was, only a small number of people would read.

    10. Re:Rather obvious by ultranova · · Score: 3, Funny

      Question is, is there another way to tell the stories that isn't so formulaic and that doesn't give such an incorrect impression?

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    11. Re:Rather obvious by Haeleth · · Score: 1

      Question is, is there another way to tell the stories that isn't so formulaic and that doesn't give such an incorrect impression?
      Yeah. Sure -- if you're, like, good at your job.
      Okay, let's rephrase the question then. There are many science journalists who write formulaic and misleading stories. By your definition, they are clearly not good at their jobs. So: why have they not been fired?

      The sad likelihood is that their employers do not share your definition of "good" science journalism. To people employing journalists, I deduce, a good journalist is one who writes stories that sell, period -- regardless of accuracy or originality.

      It's even possible that formulaic and misleading stories sell better than accurate and original stories, in which case a journalist who wrote good science would be a bad journalist... though I can't actually draw that conclusion, given that I don't have any actual data on which kinds of stories sell best, so I'm really just speculating here.
    12. Re:Rather obvious by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      One slight modification to the lone-scientist-against-the-establishment narrative might be to cast the scientific method itself as the hurdle for our budding young scientist to overcome. This approach would allow the writer to detour into describing what the scientific method is and why it's important to scientists.

      Of great interest to Science, Science Teachers, and wanna-be Scientists, but basically boring. This is not the way to write a story that causes the reader to Continue-On-Page-32.

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    13. Re:Rather obvious by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      The problem is this. Researching a story properly (not just science), a good story, should, unless it is breaking news take anywhere up to a month to perfect. First you have to understand the field the story is in, be it science, politics etc. Most Journalists specialise so getting the basics for this process shouldn't take too long. However most journalists aren't specialised enough. Having a science correspondant with a major (or worse minor) in physics is pretty close to useless if the story is about some new technique in microbiology. So instead of needing a day to get up on the material, it should take a week. However, since you have to publish publish publish you cant afford to take that amount of time.

      Facinating insight - you can get up to speed in microbiology in a week?! I'm impressed, really I am.

      Note, by the way, that having someone well versed in the sciences writing your science articles just ensures that they'll be as exciting as dry toast. Not what you want when you're hoping people will write to your editor saying "you should promote that boy doing your Science articles, because he's such an entertaining fellow that he deserves to be writing front-page articles".

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    14. Re:Rather obvious by professionalfurryele · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Understanding the science within a publication is not the same as understanding the entire subject. Nor is the understanding a journalist needs the same as the understanding a specialist needs. However, with access to suitable experts, yes I think I could understand a single short paper in microbiology within a week. I doubt that I would be able to use that research to make an original contribution. I doubt I would know anything outside of the narrow confines of the very specific subfield in which that paper was published. I said putting together a good article would take about a month. I said understanding the material of the publication would take a trained scientist not within that field about a week. I didn't say how long understanding the wider impact of a study would require. At a guess, thats the bulk of the next two weeks right there, interviewing experts, reading more of the reference material, and getting more of the big picture (I've assumed that a 'science correspondant' at least knows about what the current big questions are in the major disciplines of science). To back up these claims I'm a physical scientist who does quite a bit of reading outside his own discipline.

      Your next point reveals that you stopped reading after the paragraph you quoted, or that you didn't understand what you read. You make the exact point I do, except you call dumbing down and lowering to the common denominator "ensuring that a science article isn't as exciting as dry toast". You then suggest that editorial bias and compromising journalistic integrity are just a guy looking to get promoted.

      I didn't say doing a science article properly would get lots of readers. I said it would take time, and that if it was done properly you would have less readers. Journalism is about more than just how many readers you can get.

    15. Re:Rather obvious by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      Journalism is about more than just how many readers you can get.

      Actually, it's not. Few or no readers means that you're not getting the information out to the audience. Which you can do just as well by not writing the article at all.

      Journalism, first and foremost, is about eyeballs on pages. No matter how insightful you are, no matter how important the subject matter, nothing is accomplished if you don't get read.

      You may choose to believe that journalistic integrity means getting it RIGHT, first and foremost. I'm sure most college journalism students would agree. In the Real World (tm), you've got to have readers to matter. Consider how much the Watergate Scandal would have mattered if the stories had been written in a way that bored the readers to tears in the first paragraph. Consider Global Climate Change - if every story about the subject had been written like an academic paper (yes, I've read some of the papers on the subject), then NOONE outside academia would give a rat's ass about it - because they'd know nothing of the subject whatsoever, having never read or heard anything about it.

      Mind you, excessive levels of fear-mongering are probably a little over the top. But if that's what it takes to get people to stand up and take notice of a potential catastrophe, then go to town with it!

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    16. Re:Rather obvious by professionalfurryele · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your short term thinking is highly detrimental. Sure, you might get one piece of information out to more readers with fear moungering, by distorting the facts and by sexing everything up, but in the end all you breed is distrust. Distrust in the media, distrust in politics, distrust in science, distrust in everything. While there is something to be said for the wisdom of enlightened cynicism, ignorant cynicism is completely undersirable.

      Just look at what poor reporting has done to the medical sciences. If you look at the media now it seems everything causes cancer, everything is a panacea of health, doctors cant be trusted, drug companies are populated by demon spawn bent on the annihilation of mankind, holistic medicine will save us from asteriod impacts and faith healing can be scientifically proven to work.

      If you are the means to an end sort and aren't bothered by bad journalism for bad journalisms sake ask yourself, is getting a little more information out right now that might help people is worth utterly distorting peoples view of the world?

      Moreover, fewer readers doesn't mean no readers. You act as though it is totally necessary to completely distort the truth just to sell two copies of a magazine. Some journalists and publications, however few, manage to publish decent science (I grant you not excelent, not good enough, but better than most) and have a decent size readership. This is not an either or situation. It is about greed, not information dissemination.

      In the end bad journalism breed distrust and social ill. All that it achieves is sales.

    17. Re:Rather obvious by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      Your short term thinking is highly detrimental.

      I'll give you a clue - 99.99% of all thinking is short term. Why worry today what you can worry about tomorrow sort of thing?

      Bad journalism is NOT about greed. It's about what motivates people who practice it. Just as what motivates YOU is important to YOU, what motivates my next door neighbor is important to HIM.

      You work on the assumption, it seems, that YOUR point of view is Right, and anyone who disagrees with you is Wrong. Fact is, my motivations are MORE important to me than YOUR motivations are to me. And every bit as important to me as your motivations are to you.

      You might want to keep that in mind when planning to Change the World - you have to engage the motivations of everyone else, not just tell them that they're Wrong, and you are Right. Because then they'll just laugh at you as a pretentious knothead.

      Alas, journalism is about Changing the World to most journalists - they're not in it for the magnificent (not!) salary, they're in it to Make a Difference. And they can Make a Difference only to the extent that they get people to read what they say. Hence, the desire for readers on their part. And not just a few hundred readers, either.

      If you want to change journalism for the better, you need to learn to work WITH thier motivations, not just declare that their motivations are Wrong.

      And so far, I've seen damn little of that here, or elsewhere - much easier to tell someone his motivations and ambitions are WRONG than to use his motivations to get what you want out of life, the universe, and everything....

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    18. Re:Rather obvious by professionalfurryele · · Score: 1

      "I'll give you a clue - 99.99% of all thinking is short term. Why worry today what you can worry about tomorrow sort of thing?"

      Simply because most thinking is short term, does not make thinking short term right. Your arguement here amounts to an argumentum ad populum. My whole point was that thinking only in the short term is bad. Your assertion does nothing to refute that.

      "Bad journalism is NOT about greed."

      Bad journalism isn't about greed to many (perhaps most?) journalist. It can be a means to survive. It can be a means to an end. If I know global warming will kill millions isn't it worth my exaggerating the effects to make people listen? Maybe, if you are the only person who does it. We are basically playing a big game of prisoners dillema. If every journalist acts in their own best interest, then we have the worst possible solution because no one is taken seriously. However the fact that many journalists are unable to act with integrity is because of greed, greed not of the journalist but of those who operate the publishing industry. The root cause is greed. This is what I mean when I say bad journalism is about greed.

      "You work on the assumption, it seems, that YOUR point of view is Right"

      I do assume my point of view is correct. If I didn't it wouldn't be my point of view. I can be convinced that my point of is wrong given the assumptions I make. I can be convinced that if someone else were to make different assumptions than me they would arrive at a different point of view. You wont convince me that given some set of assumptions there are two logically contraditory points of view which can result from a consistent set of assumptions.

      "You might want to keep that in mind when planning to Change the World - you have to engage the motivations of everyone else, not just tell them that they're Wrong, and you are Right. Because then they'll just laugh at you as a pretentious knothead."

      Who said anything about changing the world. I believe this problem is insolvable without causing a greater evil. However I believe I did list a myriad of problems facing the modern journalist. Whatever their motivation (and believe it or not most people think they are doing the right thing) these forces steer them down a certain path. My arguement was that at the end of that path is everyone worse off. Society is worse off, the journalist has made a difference, the exact opposite of the difference they set out to make. I did this by argueing that the end result of the actions of journalists was more general distrust. If you disagree with my estimates of the magnitude of these effects or with the thesis that more distrust in society is a social ill you are free to say so. If you are looking for a critique of the morals of modern journalism in my arguement, it is that upon learning that thier actions have a net negative social impact a journalist should look to the other choices available than the path they are following. Perhaps changing career. Perhaps going against the established way of doing things (and almost certainly getting fired). I don't want to dictate how a person chooses to live their life. I merely want to point out that in this instance the declared intentions of an individual do not match up with the consequences of thier actions.

      As for my being laughed at as a pretentious knothead, I'm accustomed to ad hominem and there are worse things than being laughed at.

      "Alas, journalism is about Changing the World to most journalists - they're not in it for the magnificent (not!) salary, they're in it to Make a Difference."

      I know few people whose primary motivation is money. Most people I know (once we get beyond thier own survival) want to do good, to be good. I grant you I have a highly selective sample. It is unlikely I would associate with people whose primary motivation was the aquisition of wealth. As I have stated previously, my arguemet is not "lets hang all the journalists", it is instead to argue that journalism in it's current form is a social ill

    19. Re:Rather obvious by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Issac Asimov is a biochemist, I didn't find his writings as dry as toast in fact "The Endochronic Properties of Resublimated Thiotimoline" is one of my favorites.

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  3. Complaints about writing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Biology post-doc Dr. Michael White takes a look at the '2007 Best American Science and Nature Writing' and doesn't like what he finds in an article called Bad Science Journalism and the Myth of the Oppressed Underdog.

    He's not the only one who has a complaint about poor writing.
    1. Re:Complaints about writing by zappepcs · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Poor writing is one thing. The talk that there is not enough people going into science and math fields of endeavor after college might simply be a symptom of something more distasteful indicated in the article. Of course, there is the financial to consider, but there is also something else. If you thought all your work would be politicized and you left as a pawn in someone's politics, would you be happy about it? Would that inspire you to study hard to work in that field?

      When there is general distrust of a group of people, all that is left to motivate others to follow their footsteps is pure greed. Lets face it, scientists are not in the top 500 richest people in the world, now are they?

      The reverse side of that coin is that there is no positive image of such groups, and this is just another look at the negative. Psychology at work. It takes real dedication to commit to some field of employment that everyone thinks is corrupt or devoid of reward. Much easier to imagine yourself as a WWE wrestler than an astrophysicist when you are young. What is pointed out in a backhand way is that we are discouraging the young by no smacking down the bad ones now.

      Well, that was my take

    2. Re:Complaints about writing by Metasquares · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The nonsense that is a Ph. D. also turns a lot of people off from a scientific career. It's sort of difficult to explain why unless you're already going (or have gone) through it, but let's just say it's nothing like anyone expects it to be. A lot of what I (and probably most others) thought was a bastion of pure innovation and discovery turns out to be a rather bureaucratic and dishonest system at work - and it wants to use you.

      But that's just something that discourages those who are already considering becoming professors or scientists because they like doing research. The bigger challenge is probably encouraging people to choose a scientific career in the first place, as you mentioned.

    3. Re:Complaints about writing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rough parse tree, because apparently AC's point went over people's heads:

      (
        (Biology post-doc Dr. Michael White)
        takes a look at
        (the '2007 Best American Science and Nature Writing')
      )
      and
      (
        ([implied subject, Dr. White])
        doesn't like
        (what he finds in
          (an article
            (called Bad Science Journalism and the Myth of the Oppressed Underdog)
          )
        )
      )
      .

    4. Re:Complaints about writing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Poor writing is one thing. [Myriad examples of poor writing skills removed.]

      I found this comment to be incredibly hilarious, mostly because just about every sentence that follows has several examples of poor writing (subject/verb agreement problems, missing nouns, missing modifiers, missing and misused punctuation, etc.). It took several reads to actually understand the message that zappepcs was trying to convey.

  4. Science has always been biased by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 2, Interesting
    If you're a Phd who has spent your whole life researching and proving something then you're likely to opposed someone proving eactly the opposite. That's just human nature and has been the downfall of many scientists including Einstein and many other greats.

    That's why Max Planck said: "A scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it."

    On top of personal professional bias we must now add those extra pressureses exerted on scientists to toe some line so that their funding/department/ access to publishing/whatever does not get cut. Gotta say the right stuff to keep the backers happy.

    Anyone expecting unbiassed science to come out of that lot is just a misguided idealist.

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    1. Re:Science has always been biased by eli+pabst · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To an extent that's true, but science is science and sooner or later the facts will win out over dogma. Eventually someone is going to do the experiment that incontrovertibly proves that said underdog theory is true. Look at the prion guy. He took all kinds of shit for years, because *nobody* believed you could have an infectious protein, but eventually he won out. He can now send the haters a picture of his Noble prize.

    2. Re:Science has always been biased by gardyloo · · Score: 2, Funny

      we must now add those extra pressureses We HATES them, the nassssssty pressureses!
    3. Re:Science has always been biased by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you're a Phd who has spent your whole life researching and proving something then you're likely to opposed someone proving eactly the opposite. This is true to some extent, but it glosses over another even more important point: most newly proposed theories are wrong. (It's a lot like mutations in evolutionary biology.) Many of the theories are still-born, never making it past someone's blackboard before they're shot down, but quite a few get floated. Some get floated quite adamantly by their adherents. A few are better than the older models. After even a little while in science, you see the ratio and it's natural to want to stick to the tested theory until the new guy has been able to provide some strong evidence for itself.

      That's sort of the rub, though, isn't it? Only a few new theories which suplant the old model do so with a really compelling single test. We can think of a few of the exceptions: General Relativity and the 1919 eclipse, the Big Bang (which was already pretty widely accepted, but never mind) and the discovery of the CMB, the giant impact theory of the origin of the Moon and the numerical simulations of the 1980s, etc. But these *are* the exceptions. Most theories which will eventually take over do so by slow accumulation of evidence in their favor, not with any slam dunk. As a result, convincing scientists to abondon the older model is difficult and there's no magic cut-off where you can say, "Now the new theory is better than the old one." So are the scientists being bad at science? Sure, it's easy to spin the narrative that way, but I'd say no. They're at worst being conservative and not wanting to leap onto a new model until they see that it's really better.

      Anyone expecting unbiassed science to come out of that lot is just a misguided idealist. Now I feel like you're being insulting. Individual scientists are human, we have our flaws and our blind-spots. Some of us have real agendas and a few are even downright dishonest. But as a group, we're contradictory, curious, and anti-authority. As a result, science is pretty good at self-correcting. A single scientist can lie to himself or even lie to others. But that always gets caught eventually because someone starts asking questions and we collectively have no vested interest in covering up lies.

      (Any time you hear about scientists being involved in a massive conspiracy, like some anti-global warming fanatics will try to tell you, you can bet it's wrong. Any person who could prove evolution or GW conclusively incorrect would have just made a career and world-wide fame for herself.)
    4. Re:Science has always been biased by MidnightBrewer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you're a Phd who has spent your whole life researching and proving something then you're likely to opposed someone proving eactly the opposite. That's just human nature and has been the downfall of many scientists including Einstein and many other greats.

      More than just human nature, it makes sense. If I believe strongly that something is the truth, then it seems only logical that I'd oppose somebody who says that my theory is completely wrong. Also, I think that Max Planck might have been being just a bit facetious in the quote you mentioned; while powerful, wrong-headed opponents may be the bane of every great endeavor, simply waiting for them to die still doesn't make you right. If you die first, it doesn't make you wrong, either. Scientific truths win out because they continue to be true. The scientific method may not serve the personal ambitions of fame-seeking individuals very well, but it does tend to work out pretty well for the advancement of science, even if the undeserving-yet-better-funded end up getting all the credit.

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    5. Re:Science has always been biased by xenocide2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you had actually read the article, the gentleman's point was that the journalism is wrong, not that bias doesn't exist. Critics wrote papers not to defend some scientific truth, but to improve both ideas, by reconciling the two. They point out that her paper's explanation of sexual selection misses published advances in scientific understanding, and suggest ways the existing formulas can be tweaked to accommodate the new theory.

      Even you're buying into this fallacy that the two ideas must be exclusive, which is rather the point of the article: journalists reinforce a publicly held stereotype of underdog scientists bucking the status quo. Your justifications of bias through funding and hubris are a direct result of this stereotype. I don't see anyone being paid to support a position that monolithic kernels are better than microkernels, or vice versa. Individuals do have a personal bias in favor of their ideas, after all, they came up with them and thought well enough of them to write their scientific friends about it. But to imply that science takes a generation to be accepted is probably not quite right.

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    6. Re:Science has always been biased by PacMan · · Score: 1

      If you're a Phd who has spent your whole life researching and proving something then you're likely to opposed someone proving eactly the opposite. Except it rarely comes to a complete reversal like that. Generally the next guy is going "You were 99% correct. Here is a minor adjustment that brings it to what I think is 100% correct". Or perhaps "Your theory gives results correct to 10 significant figures in all real world cases. However, using my much more complicated equations, we can now get answers to 15 significant figures, and cover some extremely unlikely situations that your equations did not handle at all".
    7. Re:Science has always been biased by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's actually all a conspiracy to build myths about scientific discovery and careers in science in order to make scientists more competitive.

      Live the dream!

    8. Re:Science has always been biased by Ambitwistor · · Score: 3, Informative

      Only a few new theories which suplant the old model do so with a really compelling single test. We can think of a few of the exceptions: General Relativity and the 1919 eclipse, Actually that one got more credit than it deserved. The error bars on that result were huge, and it's now questionable whether Eddington's experiment was able to distinguish general relativity from competing predictions, such as the Newtonian prediction of half the light bending. (To forestall possible comments from others, yes, Newtonian gravity predicts light bending for zero mass photons.) An interesting example of the opposite phenomenon: a new theory being hailed perhaps too eagerly. (On the other hand, there was also Mercury's perihelion precession.)
    9. Re:Science has always been biased by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      The confusion can last years, decades, even centuries. Take the human genome work: a lot of that work is of only modest reliability, or was prone to systematic errors in the computer programs used to analyze the DNA. But the process of going back and correcting it is going to take a quite long time, especially when the companies that published it are now out of business or lack the current knowledge to realize there was a serious bug in code 10 years old, and no one is really pursuing that particular gene or set of genes.

    10. Re:Science has always been biased by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Now I feel like you're being insulting. Individual scientists are human, we have our flaws and our blind-spots. Some of us have real agendas and a few are even downright dishonest. But as a group, we're contradictory, curious, and anti-authority. As a result, science is pretty good at self-correcting. A single scientist can lie to himself or even lie to others. But that always gets caught eventually because someone starts asking questions and we collectively have no vested interest in covering up lies.

      I think one of the problems is few people ever meet, let alone work around, world class scientists. If they did they'd discover they are like world class athletes - the revel in competition, the battle of ideas in their case, and the give and take to prove that they are the best. Surprisingly, even those with diametrically opposed positions can remain close friends; just as professional athletes can compete fiercely in a game and still be great friends.

      In the end, the best ideas win; even if it takes time.

      (Any time you hear about scientists being involved in a massive conspiracy, like some anti-global warming fanatics will try to tell you, you can bet it's wrong. Any person who could prove evolution or GW conclusively incorrect would have just made a career and world-wide fame for herself.)


      That's the problem with conspiracy theories - people want to believe them and so refuse to accept that those involved have a greater gain by revealing it and so would do so if the theory were true. Or, as one person put it, two people can keep a secret if one is dead.

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    11. Re:Science has always been biased by urcreepyneighbor · · Score: 0, Troll

      To an extent that's true, but science is science and sooner or later the facts will win out over dogma. Tell that to the Creationists and the reporters that cover their sorry asses.
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    12. Re:Science has always been biased by Romwell · · Score: 1

      As you have said, ther was Mercury's perihilion precession, as well as the ultimate MichelsonMorley experiment that started it all decades before. By the time the Theory of Relativity arrived, there was already enough of experimental data and unexplained phenomena that it predicted correctly, so it was verified experimentally immediately after its appearance.

    13. Re:Science has always been biased by Ambitwistor · · Score: 1

      I'm talking about general relativity here, so Michelson-Morley is irrelevant except insofar as validates non-gravitational portions of Einstein's theory. Special relativity was already better established. At the time of the eclipse experiment in 1919, the only other experimental evidence for GR specifically was Mercury's perihelion precession, which IMHO is not alone sufficient to declare the acceptance of the theory.

    14. Re:Science has always been biased by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 1

      From what I've read, you're probably right, although it doesn't negate the example. (Precisely because, as you noted, the theory was adopted too readily.) I actually don't feel like Mercury's perihelion precession was a good test since the theory was designed around that observation. It definitely gave the new theory extra merit, but it doesn't count for as much as post-theory experiments that support the new theory.

    15. Re:Science has always been biased by Ambitwistor · · Score: 2, Informative

      I actually don't feel like Mercury's perihelion precession was a good test since the theory was designed around that observation. From what I recall of the history, that's not true. Einstein already had almost all the field equations, and then applied them to the Mercury problem in his November 18, 1915 paper. He was quite excited when the result turned out to agree with the observations, precisely because he hadn't designed the theory to get Mercury right. On November 25 he modified the equations to their final, current form, but the prediction for Mercury did not change.
    16. Re:Science has always been biased by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 1

      My recollection of the story is the exact opposite. He tried to apply the theory once and actually failed. But this is a dim, distant recollection floating in the mists of my undergraduate (or perhaps even high school) years, back when such stories were told on clay tablets...

      If you're correct, I totally agree that the test is stronger that I had suggested.

    17. Re:Science has always been biased by Ambitwistor · · Score: 1

      I do know that Einstein originally got wrong the prediction for gravitational light deflection by the Sun (he got the Newtonian value, half of the correct GR value). But he fixed that later, and it was well before anybody had actually measured it (the aforementioned 1919 Eddington experiment).

      I think he also made some false steps where his theory didn't agree with known Newtonian physics, but that doesn't really count. We're talking about whether it was designed around non-Newtonian observations that were used as tests of it.

      Can't remember any other examples. The place to look is Relativity and Geometry by Torretti, but I don't have access to my copy right now.

    18. Re:Science has always been biased by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 1

      Also, I think that Max Planck might have been being just a bit facetious in the quote you mentioned; while powerful, wrong-headed opponents may be the bane of every great endeavor, simply waiting for them to die still doesn't make you right. If you die first, it doesn't make you wrong, either.

      No, you wait until you're both dead, and whoever managed to convince the most survivors by that point was probably right.

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  5. Par for the course by TheMeuge · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is merely par for the course... and the observations made in the TFA are not new either. I encounter them every day on Slashdot!

    HIV not causing AIDS conspiracy, Fluoride in the water conspiracy, Cancer being cured but evil corporations in league with all scientists not releasing the cure... I have to endure this every single day.

    I think the more interesting subject to explore, is the psychology of why people are so eager to believe the improbable, and far more likely to accept an outrageous exaggeration, a halftruth, or an outright lie, merely to spite the establishment. As a scientist, that's a subject that interests me the most, because I would like to locate the part of the brain that will believe that the herbs in "Airborne" will miraculously prevent you from getting a disease, but will refuse to accept scientific principles and facts that have held firm under scrutiny for decades.

    1. Re:Par for the course by Alexx+K · · Score: 1

      For one thing, people usually don't like admitting they're wrong. If they believe in something that is proven to be false, they will lash out in a desperate attempt to defend and maintain their beliefs.

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    2. Re:Par for the course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... space elevators and "global warming" dogma.

    3. Re:Par for the course by Hao+Wu · · Score: 1

      but will refuse to accept scientific principles and facts that have held firm under scrutiny for decades.

      The answer is so obvious, that you are doing it yourself- rejecting the facts for an alternative conspiracy (ie. seeking some obscure "part of the brain").

      People are just dumb, and they want easy answers. That's all.

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    4. Re:Par for the course by Belial6 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I would say that a lot of comes from the fact that people who are supposed to be experts are routinely caught lying, and actual, real live conspiracies are regularly exposed with not even an apology. A perfect example is the whole Al Gore Fiasco. He flat out says that you can reduce your carbon output to 0. That would require you to stop breathing, and either complete the decomposition process, or die in a place where you will be permanently frozen. His entire movie was full of errors and contradictions. Yet, he won a Nobel Peace Prize for it, and it is held up as an authority on the subject. People who point out these errors are often called names, ridiculed, and in essence shouted down.

      When people are lied to... badly by someone being held up as an 'expert', and then are shouted down for pointing out the obvious lie (error?), they are very quickly going to start questioning everyone that is held up as an 'expert'. I know that I hear 'experts' saying things that are clearly wrong on a regular basis.

      You then have to add this tendency for 'experts' to be wrong/lie, with the fact that most people are raised to believe in the supernatural. Whether it is Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, Jesus, Allah, or any other supernatural figure. Heck, their are entire countries that are ruled by the belief in the supernatural, and even in questionably secular countries like the US, there are more facilities for the study of the supernatural than their are schools.

      So, to sum up... The reason you see what you are complaining about is because we are a nation of people who have been trained to believe in magic, and are regularly shown that being an 'expert' in no way indicates that what you are saying is true. What else could you expect?

    5. Re:Par for the course by aztektum · · Score: 1

      Because it's easier to accept a halftruth that makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside rather than a reality that suffering or not getting what your want all the time is a part of life.

      Exploration over. Where's my grant check :)

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    6. Re:Par for the course by DeadChobi · · Score: 1

      Did Gore really say that we could reduce our carbon emissions to 0? Because I just farted, and I'm pretty sure that that was a carbon emission.

      On a more serious note, I don't really find the "supernatural" to be irreconcilable with science. Science just emphasizes the parts of the world that we can understand through logic. The only contract one signs when they become a scientist is that they will not bring up questions which are not scientifically verifiable. The biggest one that comes to mind for me is that of Tarot cards seeming to reveal truths about lives or persons. This is not at all scientifically verifiable, but it's fun sometimes to accept it.

      A world without science would be bleak, but a world of nothing but science would also be bleak.

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    7. Re:Par for the course by 10101001+10101001 · · Score: 1

      I think the more interesting subject to explore, is the psychology of why people are so eager to believe the improbable, and far more likely to accept an outrageous exaggeration, a halftruth, or an outright lie, merely to spite the establishment.

      It's called anti-authoritarianism. Science is seen as the establishment. People are seen as sheep to follow the dogma of science blindly; and most people do, but as an exchange between Dogbert and Dilbert went, people are too busy to conduct enough science to adequately not rely upon others to do the work for them. Beyond that, it's prohibitively expense (in fact, it pretty well always has been) for most individuals to confirm or deny most of science. In fact, it's not really any different than the way people will scoff at religions which demand enormous time and commitment to decipher, feeling that such is more of a scam to grant those in charge needless power instead of it being a path to enlightenment.

      ... I would like to locate the part of the brain that will believe that the herbs in "Airborne" will miraculously prevent you from getting a disease, but will refuse to accept scientific principles and facts that have held firm under scrutiny for decades.

      "I would like to locate the part of the mind that will believe the Earth revolves around the sun but will refuse to accept Catholic doctrine and truth that have held firm under scrutiny for centuries. (circa, the 1600s)"

      Having said all that, there are of course those who do do enough science and do realize that most (if not all) of science is well tested and have done enough of their own experiments to not simply dismiss science like it were an unchangeable cult/religion* or as something that puts itself above being challenged**. So, there are those who fight the establishment because it is the establishment because they have some belief that it is something they should do. And, of course, there are the stupid people who reject science in small or large part in favor of their faith, even when nothing in their faith really demands it. And, of course, there are the stupid people who see science as everything and reject the potential for something beyond what one can readily sense. But, thankfully most people seem more than willing to sit back and do nothing, not so pressed to push their beliefs on others. I'm not sure if that's wisdom or apathy, though.

      *Obviously, Catholicism has changed over time, but over the course of a lifetime, most religions aren't open to change. If they were, that would imply they don't have all the answers and hence aren't an established source of guidance. In short, religions tend to try to be something beyond a collection of mortal humans, so they try to project something unchanging and immortal (the religion, I'm not talking about their god(s) necessarily); small differences in interpretation can lead to whole new forks of a religion. And truthfully, those who live long enough will almostly certainly see a change in the religion of their church as younger individuals replace older, dying individuals and project a slightly different interpretation of things (even if everyone wanted to believe the same thing, the ambiguity of language makes it virtually impossible considering the vastness of religion and the difficulty of quantifying and qualifying every detail in an unchanging format (the language itself changes)). The same holds true for science (the mechanisms like the scientific method, for example), which has forked and changed over time as well.

      **There are certainly many scientists (I don't want to presume most, but I wouldn't say scientists are intrisincally utterly open-minded) who look down upon those would challenge basic theories (like, say, gravity), feeling their intellectually feeble; but, they wouldn't likely do anything overt or covert about them carrying out their experiment or trying to publish their results.

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    8. Re:Par for the course by jay-za · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think the more interesting subject to explore, is the psychology of why people are so eager to believe the improbable, and far more likely to accept an outrageous exaggeration, a halftruth, or an outright lie, merely to spite the establishment.
      Not having explored this more than looking at my own willingness to believe some things, what I've found is that in many instances the establishment (or more specifically, doctors and scientists) are responsible for pushing people down this road.

      That above statement needs some qualification, so here's what I've come up with (for myself). People who work in the scientific field (for convenience I'll refer to them as scientists, even through I'm referring to doctors, dentists, ...) often (and I'm going to generalise because it's been something I've noticed in general. Tihs does not apply to everyone) seem to be very scared of saying "I don't know", or admitting that another (alternative) field of study may have got it right, or at least more right than mainstream science. This leads to a situation where the scientists (doctors, physicists, etc...) will slam things they don't believe in as being wrong simply because they don't like the field of study that produced the result.

      Add to that the fact that science is not absolute, and ,especially in medicine, breakthroughs happen fairly frequently that move the field forward and at the same time prove previous theories to be untrue (or at least substantially imcomplete). When scientists (who slam people who disagree with them) claim this week that X=2Y, and then next week that X=2Y + 1/Z, the lay person loses confidence in them.

      It's this lack of confidence that leads people to trust pretty much anytihng that is fed to them, as long as it fits the following criteria:

      1) Sounds believable
      2) The person presenting the evidence seems trustworthy
      3) The evidence being presented is convincing enough to the lay person
      4) The new theory ("fact") is something they want to believe

      Additionally, scientists often see themselves (or at least, well known members of their community) as being infallible (to a degree), and expect the average lay person to believe everything they say without proof (and here I mean proof that the lay person understands). This is an unrealistic expectation. Scientists themselves will not believe experts in other conflicting areas of study (who often are hucksters and frauds, but not always) because they don't understand the evidence presented. What I'm saying here is that people in general don't like being forced to accept as proof something they don't understand, whether ot not it is true.

      Exacerbating the problem is the entire issue of religion and faith. I believe in God. I also believe in science (and believe those who hide behind religion are idiots). The two are not mutually exclusive, in fact, to me they compliment each other perfectly. Yet many scientists (and here I'm talking less about doctors and other "soft" scientists, and perhaps only a vocal minority of the rest) are critical of me and others like me who believe in God. This adds to the lack of credibility in their eyes. (Please bear in mind that we are talking perspectives here, perhaps helping to explain a perception. This is not a war of God Vs. Science).

      I think the only solution here is for scientists to be more open about what they do and don't know, as well as developing a more measured approach to dealing with things they are unfamiliar with. It definitely won't make the problem go away, but it will help.

      And finally, don't forget that there are many, many thousands and millions of idiots out there.
    9. Re:Par for the course by gsslay · · Score: 1

      The bottom line is that people in general love conspiracy theories. They love the idea that someone out there, some where, is trying to suppress knowledge/liberty/happiness. That's what explains why life (and theirs in particular) isn't wonderful and perfect, and we're not all living together in harmony on the planet as god intended. It is, in short, the easy answer that makes a good 90 minute movie.

      And it gets even better than that; people love being the ones in on the secret. Yup, the poor, ignorant masses may not realise that knowledge/liberty/happiness is being suppressed, but I, for one, do! Cos I'm smart, see?

      So the idea that "big science" is suppressing development, that would otherwise open our eyes and improve life, fits perfectly with this mind set. Same as "big medicine" is lying to us about alternative treatments and "big government" is suppressing the truth about UFOs/9-11/Apollo/JFK/chem trails/you name it.

    10. Re:Par for the course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But we've got to get to Mars to save mankind!

    11. Re:Par for the course by jandrese · · Score: 1

      Yes, but the OP missed the point entirely. You don't reduce your carbon emission to 0, rather you offset all of the carbon you emit with some form of carbon capture (normally plant material). In the end, you subtract all of the carbon you sequester from the carbon you emit and try to get the sum to 0 (or less than zero!).

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    12. Re:Par for the course by jandrese · · Score: 1

      Bah, Slashdot has been acting weird for me. He's the second half of my post:

      This is a good example of where bad ideas come from. A person has a vested interest in proving someone wrong, and they want them to be wrong so very very much, that they half listen to the theories and then immediately (usually before the speaker finishes talking) attempt to poke holes in it. If they find what they think is a hole, they will latch on to that and repeat it every time someone mentions the speaker's topic. It's not only real scientists that have to deal with that. If you ever read the Mythbusters fan boards (for instance) you will see dozens of examples of this (from people who apparently watch about a third of the episode) for every single show, especially from people who really believe the busted myth.

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    13. Re:Par for the course by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      For the Tarot thing I'd look into the probabilities of a random set of cards bearing a true statement. A lot of fortune telling works by making statements that are so abstract that they are pretty much impossible to not fulfill.

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    14. Re:Par for the course by DeadChobi · · Score: 1

      I'm not going to dispute this. I just wanted to crack a joke using the set-up from the ridiculous statement.

      In fact, I agree with you, that most mal-formed ideas and misunderstandings stem from people not taking the time out of their thinking process to genuinely listen to what someone else is saying and then weigh it. Instead, they listen to the first statement and spend most of the rest of the conversation thinking about how they can dispute the first statement without bothering to listen to the way the speaker is qualifying the statement.

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    15. Re:Par for the course by DeadChobi · · Score: 1

      Typically, the tarot reading requires the client to give some background information. Then, cards are drawn and their meanings are interpreted according to this background information. The cards seem to "ring true" about the situation because the client wants to believe in the fortune telling.

      Still, it's fun in a taboo sort of way to get a fortune told. And you'd be suprised at how many patterns seem to exist in the world where we wouldn't expect them.

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  6. obvious != right by More_Cowbell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Science journalism would perhaps be the one area where you would expect the author to concisely go out of their way to be unbiased.

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    1. Re:obvious != right by kongit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It would why? Grants don't just come on trees.

    2. Re:obvious != right by Rei · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And yet, you see it all the time. For example, the article about the cook/tax dodger/inventor who came up with a perpetual motion machine which was posted on Slashdot a month or so ago. Or Pimentel's annual widely publicized reports on ethanol being energy negative, despite everyone else's studies coming up with numbers of about 30% positive. Or pretty much every article about anyone who challenges anything about global warming. It's always the plucky renegade scientist who discovered some brilliant notion that everyone in the scientific community had missed but the other scientists are too jealous/blinded by hubris in their ivory towers to see and accept what should be so obviously true to everyone else.

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    3. Re:obvious != right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      scientists are too jealous/blinded by hubris in their ivory towers to see and accept what should be so obviously true to everyone else. If your job or grant pays well enough that you can afford to build a whole tower out of the tusks of poached exotic animals, it's not hubris to be defensive of your place in the world, it's your duty as a red blooded American.
    4. Re:obvious != right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It's always the plucky renegade scientist who discovered some brilliant notion that everyone in the scientific community had missed but the other scientists are too jealous/blinded by hubris in their ivory towers to see and accept what should be so obviously true to everyone else."

      Exactly. Hence, the popularity of Stephen Jay Gould. (With a little bit of rhetoric brilliance in there to boot.)

    5. Re:obvious != right by mehemiah · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Why is it that when I have mod points, there's never any stories worth moderating? SOMEBODY MOD THIS UP AS FUNNY!

    6. Re:obvious != right by mysticgoat · · Score: 1

      Science journalism would perhaps be the one area where you would expect the author to concisely go out of their way to be unbiased.

      WTF?

      A good journalist has a strong understanding of the biases of his intended audience, and writes with those in mind. He may suppress his own biases to do this.

      If he is writing for a scientific journal, then yes, he will probably strive to present an unbiased POV. But if he is writing for the popular press, he will strive to express his findings in ways that are understandable within the context of his readership. Which usually means accepting many of their biases as constraints on his wording.

    7. Re:obvious != right by Pollardito · · Score: 2, Insightful

      i had always assumed they were made out of ivory soap. given the expected lifetime of a building made out of ivory soap in a climate that sees any sort of rainfall, i was never that worried about the phenomenon

  7. Politically Correct bias? by grassy_knoll · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Given the example in the article, and this quote:

    What gets lost is the scientific method, the idea that novel proposals need to be thoroughly vetted and tested, no matter how intuitively attractive they are.


    Perhaps the bias in reporting is due to the "intuitive attractiveness" of the conclusion?

    The opposite might be true as well. For instance, I didn't hear much about this study:

    In recent years, Putnam has been engaged in a comprehensive study of the relationship between trust within communities and their ethnic diversity. His conclusion based on over 40 cases and 30 000 people within the United States is that, other things being equal, more diversity in a community has a correlation [expressed as a beta equal to 0.04 in a multiple regression analysis (see Putnam, 2007)], to less trust both between and within ethnic groups. Although only a single study, limited to American data, and the Census tract Herfindahl Index of Ethnic Homogeneity only explaining 0.16 % of the variance in trust in neighbours in the regression model presented (Putnam, 2007) it claims to put into question both contact theory and conflict theory in inter-ethnic relations. According to conflict theory, distrust between the ethnic groups will rise with diversity, but not within a group. According to contact theory, distrust will decline as members of different ethnic groups get to know and interact with each other. Putnam describes people of all races, sex and ages as "hunkering down" and going into their shells like a turtle. For example, he did not find any significant difference between 90 year olds and 30 year olds.


    You'd think a Harvard professor saying in effect that diversity has a down side might be news worthy, unless that idea isn't attractive to the majority of the news media.
    1. Re:Politically Correct bias? by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 1

      You'd think a Harvard professor saying in effect that diversity has a down side might be news worthy, unless that idea isn't attractive to the majority of the news media.
      Is it really news? I'd have thought that the existence of such downsides should have been perfectly obvious who has opened their eyes. Indeed, the interesting discovery from that article seems to be that the downsides aren't quite as existing theories suggested, not the mere fact that downsides exist.

      The trouble is we're all perched on this rather small rock so there doesn't seem to have much choice but to try and get along in one way or another.

      Perhaps we could try to wall ourselves off from those not like us but the downsides to that action seem to be significant too.
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    2. Re:Politically Correct bias? by shark+swooner · · Score: 1

      Thousands and thousands of studies get published every week. That one didn't get picked up by the media doesn't prove anything, much less a general bias.

    3. Re:Politically Correct bias? by ZombieRoboNinja · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm not even sure those results make sense.

      What the hell is "diversity" in this case? My high school was 96% white, but by 1900 standards it would probably be incredibly "diverse," with folks of English, German, Polish, Irish, and even (gasp!) Jewish "descent" intermingling. But ironically, once this "diversity" reaches a critical mass and a few generations pass, it all gets folded into the norm and nobody considers it "diverse" anymore.

      So if this guy's right and "diversity" has a caustic effect on community, we need to hurry up and start making babies with people of other races so that racial "diversity" is no longer discernible in a generation or two. (Attractive nonwhite ladies, I'm ready to do my part.)

      Anyway, I've seen plenty of science reporting with the same flaws TFA pointed out that had no "political correctness" value at all - stuff about mathematical constants in astrophysics, etc. - all using the same "underdog" theme.

    4. Re:Politically Correct bias? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you didn't hear about it because the paper was crap?

      First, if the relevant variable is only explaining .16% of variation, that's not a particularly exciting finding. Besides, you are confusing correlation with causality.

      Also, this sort of data is nested and cries out for a better technique than multiple regression, which is apparently the technique they used, for whatever reason. Using an appropriate technique (like hierarchical linear models) might make such a tiny result disappear back into insignificance.

      I went go try the analysis myself but the data set available is incomplete and "there is a charge for the restricted fields."

    5. Re:Politically Correct bias? by spicate · · Score: 1

      It's funny that you would pick Robert Putnam as an example of someone who didn't get the attention that he deserved. In fact, a few years ago, he got plenty of attention - interviews on national TV, etc. - for his book Bowling Alone, which basically said that democracy was falling apart because people were no longer joining civic and fraternal organizations or other organized activities like bowling leagues.

      He blamed television, ultimately, for causing this change, raising the question of why the major networks had him on their morning talk programs.

  8. what do you expect? by l2718 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    1. The people who have the qualifications to understand scientific papers (the ones with science education) can usually get better-paying jobs in science, rather than science journalism.
    2. Worse, our society as a whole is anti-intellectual and specifically anti-scientific. This does not only apply to the readers: many people who study journalism have a weak science background. As long as society can accept someone as "educated" who cannot explain how a refrigerator works, or accept some definitions and follow a mathematical proof based on them, it is hardly surprising that science writers and readers can't understand a scientific argument.
    3. Today's readers are trying to be entertained, not be informed. A piece that reinforces the reader's prejudices will make the reader feel good, and hence buy more copies of the publication.

    For an example for the second point, remember the "gravity-powered lamp" concept that was advertized last month? I saw several independent write-ups in newspapers all repeating the canard of "this will work if only we have better LED technology" when an elementary calculation shows that even with 100% efficient lighting elements the lamp will need to weigh about a ton.

    1. Re:what do you expect? by n6kuy · · Score: 1
      > remember the "gravity-powered lamp"

      Did you notice the "Feb. 21 Update" on that article?

      While many people want to know when the lamp will be available, many others point out that it won't actually work.

      The criticism is that a great deal of weight -- tons -- would be required and current LEDs are not sufficiently efficient.

      Designer Clay Moulton acknowledges that the current state of the art isn't sufficient to actually build the lamp. The news release should have said: "based on future developments in LED technology."


      Even though they acknowledge that others have criticized the design on the amount of weight required to make the lamp work, the news release goes on to correct itself only in the matter of "future developments of LED technology."

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    2. Re:what do you expect? by l2718 · · Score: 1

      Even though they acknowledge that others have criticized the design on the amount of weight required to make the lamp work, the news release goes on to correct itself only in the matter of "future developments of LED technology."

      Did you read my comment? you seem to have missed the point entirely. It's true that with current LED technology, the lamp would weight tons. However, current technology is already pretty good: it converts about 10% of the incoming energy to light. A 100% efficient LED from the future will only require one-tenth the energy, but one-tenth of many tons is still about a ton. It's true that a future LED that outputs about a thousand times more light than the energy put into it would work well, but I think we can agree that writing about technology which egeegiously violates the law of conservation of energy should be thought of as science fiction, not science journalism.

    3. Re:what do you expect? by oldhack · · Score: 1

      The people who have the qualifications to understand scientific papers (the ones with science education) can usually get better-paying jobs in science, rather than science journalism.

      Just thought it worth repeating. Nevermind the intentional fibbing - when you write about things you do not have a decent grasp of, dumb analogy is almost inevitable... Think slashdot car analogies that aren't even funny.

      But how are we to train science writers?

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    4. Re:what do you expect? by Asic+Eng · · Score: 1

      I think he understands perfectly - read the sentence you quoted again with emphasis on "even though" and "only".

    5. Re:what do you expect? by urcreepyneighbor · · Score: 1

      A 100% efficient LED from the future A what from when?
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    6. Re:what do you expect? by DrMaurer · · Score: 1

      So what's your solve on this?

      I really enjoy science, even as a person whose science learning is entirely directed by myself.

      Part of me thinks that scientists really should work harder at communicating what their science does and means more effectively (see Sagan, obviously). My other part, and this is the part of me that is frustrated during my M.A. (in English) classes, thinks that communicators (journalist, technical writers, etc.) need to know their science better. There are plenty of scary comments from people, really smart and educated people, that simply are ignorant in science.

      I think both sides here need to learn. And I think our schools need to do more for the average person who is not a communicator or a scientist (or, best of all, a hybrid of both) to teach skepticism in the general public.

      Which is really an obvious path. Just how do we do it?

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  9. That's Not Kuhn by logicnazi · · Score: 4, Informative

    Kuhn is very very explicit about the normal state of science being the evolutionary expansion of the paradigm/work within the paradigm. It's only when the extremely rare paradigm shift occurs that there is an overturning of the established order. Even there Kuhn seems to think these shifts often occur because the strain on the previous paradigm grows too great to sustain, i.e., a wide variety of experiments taken together require such unsatisfying explanations that the paradigm is overthrown for a new one.

    I think it would be more appropriate to say that Kuhn is mostly rejecting the idea of science proceding via revolutions. The sort of view that preceded Kuhn was that science proceeds by formulating hypothesises which in turn are overthrown should they be contradicted by experiment. Thus Kuhn is actually arguing against the idea that science primarily progresses via the disproof of the prevailing view.

    In fact I think it's a fair interpretation to say that Kuhn does not even believe there is an objective fact of the matter of which paradigm is better. It's quite clear that Kuhn holds out evolutionary expansion of the paradigm to be the stereotypical example of progress in science.

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  10. I, for one, ... by SEWilco · · Score: 1

    ... welcome our new underdog overlords.

  11. scientists aren't good at communicating by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    there are some luminous exceptions. carl sagan. stephen jay gould

    but most are, frankly, asocial. they would rather exercise their minds in the pursuit of science. actually explaining what they do to other people is a drag and a waste of time. not that you can blame them. this ability to tune out the rest of the world and engage their mind in silence is actually a very valuable skill for a scientist, and it is a mindset that probably led them to science in the first place as a life pursuit

    the result is that those with a malicious antiscience agenda or those who simply mean well but are woefully misinformed are the ones who represent science. because the information that gets out there in general circulation is not the information that is most true, but the information that is most communicated. the antidote to this unfortunate status quo is to get some scientists out of the ivory tower and up on a soap box

    the monklike state of existence of many scientists, to investigate and research in silence, and then the looking down disdainfully upon the common man and his mispercetions: this is part of the problem. this anti-populist attitude of many scientists is part of the problem. an arrogance, a classism, an us-versus-them way of looking at the world. it is the lack of communication efforts of scientists themselves that leads to the dangerous and stupid ideas many common people swallow in the first place

    so who do i blame for bad science journalism? scientists themselves. for generally not making themselves available. the ultimate antidote would be for some of you brilliant but silent minds to clear your throat for once, and finally speak up

    stephen jay gould and carl sagan have left us. some luminous mind out there: please open your mouth and fill their shoes

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    1. Re:scientists aren't good at communicating by going_the_2Rpi_way · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not so sure this is valid any more (and maybe it never was). Generations of scientist are trained to communicate from the earliest parts of their training -- believe it or not, lots of emphasis is placed on this. What scientists are not good at are sound-bites that fit nicely in on shows like Crossfire or Lou Dobbs where the 'we were attacked!' or 'we're losing jobs' or 'NAFTA!' 10 second catchphrases that feel awfully good but don't stand up to scrutiny generally prevail. But that's ok, science isn't meant to be good at that. It's meant to be able to say 'we're not sure', 'this is our best available knowledge' and, oh yeah, 'our previous best theory was wrong in several respects'. The public isn't good at listening to tempered, well-balanced arguments. And when 'luminous minds' DO speak up -- say, a bunch of nobel laureates put together a one page ad against economic folly (remember that one?) or Jared Diamond writes a book titled 'Collapse' -- who listens? And more importantly, who listens enough to suffer short term financial hardship because those minds tell them they'll lose more in the long run.

    2. Re:scientists aren't good at communicating by SMITHEE · · Score: 1

      Also, many scientists don't want to offend the media by naming someone in the media as a liar. In some cases, they see the media as important in getting out word of their cause. In other cases, they simply don't want to get in a fight with an entity which buys ink by the barrel. As a result, when they speak up at all, scientists are usually way too gentle in calling out dishonest writers.

    3. Re:scientists aren't good at communicating by Bowling+Moses · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "the monklike state of existence of many scientists, to investigate and research in silence, and then the looking down disdainfully upon the common man and his mispercetions: this is part of the problem. this anti-populist attitude of many scientists is part of the problem. an arrogance, a classism, an us-versus-them way of looking at the world. it is the lack of communication efforts of scientists themselves that leads to the dangerous and stupid ideas many common people swallow in the first place"

      That's quite the caricature. I've been employed as a scientist for going on a decade now, and your depiction of John/Jane Q. Scientist works for only a tiny minority of the people I've worked with. I've worked with a hippies, hipsters, single moms, Norman Rockwell-esque family types, religious people, nonreligious people, sports fanatics, geeks, barflies, rednecks, people of all different races, colors, creeds, nationalities, and in general a wide, wide slice of humanity. Maybe you ought to not paint a group of people with a wide brush until you've at least met one or two of them first.

    4. Re:scientists aren't good at communicating by oldhack · · Score: 1

      the monklike state of existence of many scientists, to investigate and research in silence, and then the looking down disdainfully upon the common man and his mispercetions: this is part of the problem. this anti-populist attitude of many scientists is part of the problem. an arrogance, a classism, an us-versus-them way of looking at the world. it is the lack of communication efforts of scientists themselves that leads to the dangerous and stupid ideas many common people swallow in the first place

      So... scientists are people like most others...

      so who do i blame for bad science journalism? scientists themselves. for generally not making themselves available. the ultimate antidote would be for some of you brilliant but silent minds to clear your throat for once, and finally speak up

      That's why the writers who have the time and the writing skills do the writing. That goes for most other professions - accounts, lawyers, engineers, etc.

      Btw, the PR profession, whose points it to yak to public, puts all these points upside down.

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    5. Re:scientists aren't good at communicating by blahplusplus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Generations of scientist are trained to communicate from the earliest parts of their training - "

      I would disagree. They are trained to communicate with other scientists, not to just anyone. So "communication" in this context is a vague term, what really needs to be done are studies on how to break down complex topics into vocabulary that people can understand to get the main principles and points across without alienating them. I find it quite curious that scientists have yet to learn from marketing and politics in making 'marketable' people and messages. There are scientists who study this to be sure, but there aren't that many actually communicating that way despite being part of the discpline.

    6. Re:scientists aren't good at communicating by going_the_2Rpi_way · · Score: 1

      They are trained to communicate with other scientists, not to just anyone.

      Well, broad generalizations about large groups of people (and programs) are almost always simplified, but most of the programs I've looked at at least try to address communication in a variety of contexts. Which one are you talking about, out of curiosity?

      Look at a Brief History of Time, Guns Germs and Steel, Fermat's Last Theorem etc.. there have been very good (and very successful) books written by scientists on very complex topics that are arguably understandable by most high school students. Look at SciAm -- they pump a few such articles out every month.

      Part of the problem, of course, is that the medium is the message and the content is the audience. In the 'Just do it', 'Post 911', 'Yes we can' era, it's apparently hard to create 'marketable' messages that consist of more than 4 syllables. Look at the average Slashdot headline. That's the message length we're talking about, at best. Try and put context in that.

  12. Plays into the hands of global warming denial by Raul654 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It is unfortunate that this tendency plays right into the hands of global warming deniers. When applied to that controversy, the whole debate becomes a he-said-she-said that takes place in the absence of any evidence (or, to be precise, in the absence of reporting of evidence). That is to say, most deniers' arguments fall apart at even cursory comparison with actual evidence, but by then, the story is already published.

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    1. Re:Plays into the hands of global warming denial by monxrtr · · Score: 1

      global warming deniers And there you have a perfect example of politicized fraud masquerading as non demonstrated scientific conclusion. Global warming deniers is meant to invoke an equivocation feeling to "Holocaust deniers".

      But put or shut up, I say. To quote myself:

      "No, it has more to do with politicized scientific fraud. Global Warming "scientists", now going by the more PR friendly label "Climate Change" scientists, claim an average Earth Temperature T and present no model, no formula of variables. They pretend all non human variables are constant, and reduce their "hidden" formula to Human Activity = Average Earth Temperature. Then they go on to talk about 25% percent changes in Average Earth Temperature being caused by Human Activity (3 degrees divided by 13 degrees equals 23%). It's the biggest bullshit fraud of the last millennium masquerading as "science". And that's the simple reason nobody has seen a climate model, a temperature formula along the lines of Sun + Core + Volcanoes + Ocean Currents + Human Activity = Average Earth Temperature, where Human Activity would be weighted around 0.0001 in the model. Because that would too easily expose what total bullshit fraud the global "climate change" scientists are pushing. Cosmetologists have more credibility than climatologists. Where's the fucking E=mc^2 formula for average earth temperature?! Exactly, "global warming theory", "climate change theory", is pure fraudulent bullshit."

      So Mr. "Smart Guy" convinced he knows and understands the global warming science, just one question.

      A.) What and where is the temperature formula, climate model, with the explicit variables and their respective weightings in the output equaling Average Earth Temperature? Don't know off the top of your head? Then you're nothing but a liar and/or bamboozled capital F Fool who pretends he knows things he does not.

      Not one global warming "believer" has ever delivered on the simple request for the Average Earth Climate model formula. These are socialist religious nuts who are tarnishing the name of "science" in their hyper crisis global warming catastrophe agenda fear mongering. Raul654 (453029) is just another zealot with claims backed by zero demonstration. Oh, but he can bravely ad hominem attack those who would seek demonstration of proof with an advance "global warming deniers" label. How convincing...
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    2. Re:Plays into the hands of global warming denial by CorSci81 · · Score: 1

      The problem with your demand is you're looking for something that doesn't exist. E=mc^2 is an explicit relationship that follows mathematically from fundamental physical principles. You can't just write down an "Average Earth Temperature" formula broken down into the contributions of various components that has any meaningful predictive power. You're asking for someone to simplify a chaotic non-linear system of equations into a single linear equation averaged over time and the entire globe which is a fool's errand. Sure, you can compute an annual average global temperature, but for the most part it's just a convenient statistic to use as a reference from year to year, but it doesn't mean a lot. In short your "simple" request isn't simple, and even worse it'd be an utterly meaningless formula.

      There have been many papers that try to quantify contributions of various forcings to climate change, but these are typically couched in units of how many W/m^2 change they have on the total radiation budget of the atmosphere, NOT annual temperature. There is a relationship between these two things, but it is by no means linear. If you want to see things broken down into neat categories this is as close as you're going to get. I'm pretty certain the IPCC reports include a breakdown similar to what you're asking for, maybe you should try reading them? Or if you want a general overview to the topic that includes science but isn't too hard to follow I suggest you read Chapter 12 of Hartmann's Global Physical Climatology, ISBN: 0-12-328530-5. I realize it's more work than just ranting, but at least you could make your rants slightly more informed.

    3. Re:Plays into the hands of global warming denial by monxrtr · · Score: 1

      The problem with your demand is you're looking for something that doesn't exist. E=mc^2 is an explicit relationship that follows mathematically from fundamental physical principles. You can't just write down an "Average Earth Temperature" formula broken down into the contributions of various components that has any meaningful predictive power. You're asking for someone to simplify a chaotic non-linear system of equations into a single linear equation averaged over time and the entire globe which is a fool's errand. Therefore, the resulting reductions of predictions to the Human Activity variable elements on "climate change" are *nothing* but pure fraud. Q.E.D. Any % change forecast of Average Earth Temperature is, as you say, "a fool's errand". Three degree change forecasts, any degree change forecast, from any possible variable whatsoever in Average Earth Temperature, are fraudulent religious indoctrination, backed up by zero evidence, backed up by wholly unsound methodology, devoid of any reference to the actual true variables which determine climate and temperature. That was exactly my point.

      I'm pretty certain the IPCC reports include a breakdown similar to what you're asking for, maybe you should try reading them? Of course they aren't there. These papers are nothing less than pure scientific fraud. Consider the claim demonstrated.
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  13. "experiment" with Global Warming? by mi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To an extent that's true, but science is science and sooner or later the facts will win out over dogma. Eventually someone is going to do the experiment that incontrovertibly proves that said underdog theory is true.

    Certain things, although treated as science, are not really open to an experiment... And while disagreements over, say, some aspect of Cosmogony can be discussed in a friendly manner, issues like Global Warming tend to polarize people along their political persuasions...

    Since academics' income depends greatly on the taxpayers' money, they tend to be Statist and/or rather Illiberal. Hence the dominant "scientific" opinions about Global Warming predicting gloomy scenarios and demanding drastic actions — mostly from "the rich" (citizens and nations), of course. Anybody disagreeing (or even questioning) is "anti-science" (even if burning at a stake is no longer practiced) — even though no experiment could possibly be conducted on a planetary scale.

    Watch angry responses to this posting for more :-)

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    1. Re:"experiment" with Global Warming? by 10101001+10101001 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Certain things, although treated as science, are not really open to an experiment...

      Certainly. It's very easy to think everything is covered under science. But, there are many things (mainly, philosophical questional) that some would try to group under science because they believe they can conjecture out an answer.

      And while disagreements over, say, some aspect of Cosmogony can be discussed in a friendly manner, issues like Global Warming tend to polarize people along their political persuasions...

      Perhaps you haven't heard of cosmology and WIMPs vs MACHOs? Seriously, though, people who tend to quickly polarize over Global Warming tend to do so because of the seemingly obvious ramifications of admitting whether Global Warming exists. In short, the issue has more to do with people unwilling, on both sides, to go over the evidence and accept the proof that's available and leave it at that. But, then it's the same issue that came up ages ago when discussing the racial relations (especially, any claimed superiority) of various ethnicities. And *that* issue is still unresolved because dogma can override common sense.

      Since academics' income depends greatly on the taxpayers' money, they tend to be Statist and/or rather Illiberal.

      Sorry to break it to you, but universities existed long before there were governments to fund them. And, they will continue to exist long after governments refuse to fund them. Academics, in general, are interested in their work above all else. Now, this may lead to dogma and pet theories without any evidence. But, that doesn't translate into trying to sustain a revenue stream (well, at least, it only does so in the sense of funding their research, not in padding the academic's pocketbook). And sure, there are academics who are in it for the money, just like there are charlatens in any field. But, there isn't any evidence (at least, none I'm aware of) to hint at some sort of inherent academic conspiracy, no matter how good such conjecturing looks good on paper.

      Hence the dominant "scientific" opinions about Global Warming predicting gloomy scenarios and demanding drastic actions mostly from "the rich" (citizens and nations), of course.

      Or, people with evidence they think will be helpful are trying to warn people of the potential risks of merrily continuing our current actions. Most, realizing they *don't* know the long-term consequences (at least for humanity) of what happens if we continue, urge those with the most power to effect change (citizens and through them, their nations) to effect change. Of course, they realize they can't do much (at least, not without advocating military force) to push "the poor" countries or dictatorships to do the right thing. So, the tend to focus on "the rich".

      Anybody disagreeing (or even questioning) is "anti-science" (even if burning at a stake is no longer practiced) even though no experiment could possibly be conducted on a planetary scale.

      We're already engaging in an experiment on a planetary scale (you know, burning all that oil, coal, etc). And it happens that people are constantly making predictions based on those fossil fuels burned and how that affects the global climate. And all those scientists with their measurements of ocean CO2 absorption, temperature stations, measurements of ice sheets, etc all provide the data to confirm or deny those predictions. The only real question, then, is if the people on either side are actually looking at the theories that repeatedly pass and the evidence collected (to verify that it does, in fact, not contradict the theory). And if one side, after seeing the evidence, dismisses it based upon their own beliefs without any proof, then they are being anti-science. But, that says nothing about Global Warming.

      Watch angry responses to this posting for more :-)

      I'll try to be more angry next time.

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    2. Re:"experiment" with Global Warming? by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 0

      Sorry to break it to you, but universities existed long before there were governments to fund them.
      Bzzt. Wrong, try again, unless you are refering to the University of Og, where everyone goes to learn how to make fire and the wheel. I hear they also offered mastodon slaying as an elective.

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    3. Re:"experiment" with Global Warming? by 10101001+10101001 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sorry to break it to you, but universities existed long before there were governments to fund them.
      Bzzt. Wrong, try again, unless you are refering to the University of Og, where everyone goes to learn how to make fire and the wheel. I hear they also offered mastodon slaying as an elective.

      It seems you're right, but for the wrong reason. It would seem there's sevearl definitions of university. One is "an institution of higher learning". A more strict/original definitino is "a corporation of students". Since a corporation is a legal entity (ie, one recognized by a government), then by definition governments must have come first.

      Having said that, I misspoke and am probably mistaken. Perhaps the first universities were government funded (either through religious orders or grants by a king). And perhaps, for quite some time, universities were under governmental control. But, eventually universities broke free much more and became much more independent (mostly as a result of the incongruity of religion and science/philosophy, I'd imagine), funding included. And when people other than government became wealthy, they had the power to fund universities themselves. And since that wealth derived primarily from trade, and I don't see trade stopping short of near complete human annihilation (many governments collapsing would only pause it for a time), I don't see universities, government sanctioned or otherwise, disappearing.

      Of course, I very much doubt I'll live long enough to test that hypothesis.

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    4. Re:"experiment" with Global Warming? by monxrtr · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      But, there are many things (mainly, philosophical questional) that some would try to group under science because they believe they can conjecture out an answer. Talk about hubris. I find it very funny that scientists too often forget their methodologies spring directly from black and white epistemological either/or full set/empty set principles. Statistics doesn't establish the validity of statistics, and neither does the scientific method establish the validity of the scientific method.

      Seriously, though, people who tend to quickly polarize over Global Warming tend to do so because of the seemingly obvious ramifications of admitting whether Global Warming exists. In short, the issue has more to do with people unwilling, on both sides, to go over the evidence and accept the proof that's available and leave it at that. No, it has more to do with politicized scientific fraud. Global Warming "scientists", now going by the more PR friendly label "Climate Change" scientists, claim an average Earth Temperature T and present no model, no formula of variables. They pretend all non human variables are constant, and reduce their "hidden" formula to Human Activity = Average Earth Temperature. Then they go on to talk about 25% percent changes in Average Earth Temperature being caused by Human Activity (3 degrees divided by 13 degrees equals 23%). It's the biggest bullshit fraud of the last millennium masquerading as "science". And that's the simple reason nobody has seen a climate model, a temperature formula along the lines of Sun + Core + Volcanoes + Ocean Currents + Human Activity = Average Earth Temperature, where Human Activity would be weighted around 0.0001 in the model. Because that would too easily expose what total bullshit fraud the global "climate change" scientists are pushing. Cosmetologists have more credibility than climatologists. Where's the fucking E=mc^2 formula for average earth temperature?! Exactly, "global warming theory", "climate change theory", is pure fraudulent bullshit.
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    5. Re:"experiment" with Global Warming? by mi · · Score: 1

      Since academics' income depends greatly on the taxpayers' money, they tend to be Statist and/or rather Illiberal.
      Sorry to break it to you, but universities existed long before there were governments to fund them. And, they will continue to exist long after governments refuse to fund them.

      You may have tried to contradict me here — an attempt at sarcasm is noted — but you did not. I was referring to today's academics, who are today dependent on government funds, and who thus tend to be Statists and/or Illiberal (taxing the masses to sponsor the elite). No, I'm no accusing them all of being consciously dishonest. It is more of a state-of mind thing...

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    6. Re:"experiment" with Global Warming? by CorSci81 · · Score: 1

      No, it has more to do with politicized scientific fraud. Global Warming "scientists", now going by the more PR friendly label "Climate Change" scientists, claim an average Earth Temperature T and present no model, no formula of variables. They pretend all non human variables are constant, and reduce their "hidden" formula to Human Activity = Average Earth Temperature.

      Wow. Just... wow. Kudos for one of the least informed/most rage-filled rants I've seen in a while. Clearly you've never been troubled to look in an atmospheric science text book or read some atmospheric science literature. Models are routinely published in the literature, but they wouldn't make for very exciting reading in the mainstream media. Also, several attempts have been made to quantify the anthropogenic component of global warming relative to natural forcings. In fact, there is a great deal of relevant literature on the topic if you'd be bothered to look for it, then maybe you could post an informed rant. It's hard to take you seriously when you clearly don't even know the first thing about the body of work you're criticizing. If you think it's such bullshit spend some time studying the science that's been done and write a proper scientific critique. Until you have something informative to say, please be quiet.

    7. Re:"experiment" with Global Warming? by 10101001+10101001 · · Score: 1

      Seriously, though, people who tend to quickly polarize over Global Warming tend to do so because of the seemingly obvious ramifications of admitting whether Global Warming exists.
      Actually, I think the problem is that the ramifications are not so obvious, anywhere beyond "we must do something".

      There are several obvious ramification. One, Global Warming would be a shining example that humans *can* have an effect over the global climate, meaning that any future discussions that would try to dismiss an otherwise valid theory based on "that's impossible" hubris wouldn't work. Two, it would unseat the belief that humans are as well knowing as they pretend to be, which could very well change the way many people willingly choose to act in the future. Three, it would lead to a "we must do something" where "something" almost certainly translates into at least some major econmic players (whole industries, perhaps) turning into minor players and vice versa. Conservatism/Protectionism is against that sort of change (so will Progressism/Liberalism be, but they tend to have not reached their desired place, so they're not Conservatives/Protectionists yet).

      Having said that, you're right. A lot of activists aren't exactly keen on handing over such a problem to an economist when it is economists (and scientists, but they ignore that) that have lead us to our current situation. Personally, I'd love to see an econmist's suggestion on what to do along with an analysis on how it'd solve the problem. It'd be the closest thing to a scientific solution. Unfortunately, most economists seem against the whole notion that the situation they founded could be part of a long-term ecological nightmare or that taking into consideration the ecological ramification must be done instead of trying to translate everything into a way to make more money*. Beyond that, economists tend to want to be paid** to do the amount of work necessary to create a plan to solve the whole world's ecological problems. So, we sort of need people willing to fund such a thing. Seeing as how things are going, it'd probably be quicker for activists, with the aid of scientists to describe the problem, to pay economists directly and ignore the government. Even if people couldn't act much on the plan, at least having the plan would move one step forward in the discussion.

      *Economists are supposed to be concerned with economic efficiency. Money is usually a good way to measure that, but externalities like the environment are usually not measured monetarily, either at all or enough beyond their short-term economical usefulness (consider the issue of people in 1910 trying to measure the economical usefulness of uranium). Even if economists could create an accurate model, it's not clear that any single economist could create a model for any single company or non-governmental organization that would matter (even if an oil company tried to stop polluting (directly and indirectly), it's not like they'd be able to stop selling oil (their assets would be seized under claims of gouging or some such) or prevent others from selling oil; ie, they'd have some effect, but even they'd only delay the inevitable). In short, there has to be a political/social will to do what is best for everyone. There's very little economists can do with the current political/social will except predict how quickly it'll fuck things up. Now, someone with charisma...

      **The same holds true for scientists. The difference is that scientists tend to have more flexibility in their research. Economists tend to have more strict rules for their funding of the research they want to carry out. But, obviously, YMMV.

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    8. Re:"experiment" with Global Warming? by monxrtr · · Score: 1
      In so many less words, you can demonstrate absolutely nothing regarding the fanatical religious doomsday predictions of so called climate change science.

      Models are routinely published in the literature, but they wouldn't make for very exciting reading in the mainstream media. Oh, I don't know about that. When people start to realize "scientists" are predicting 25% climate changes caused by human actors they might start to question the sanity of climatologists. And breaking down and showing the best guess weighting of the variables determining the Average Earth Temperature clearly exposes the *fraud*. But thank you for demonstrating zero, nothing. A gargantuan percentage of the anthropogenic global climate change "believers" are merely religiously parroting doctrine, not demonstrating science.
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  14. What scientific perspective is most profitable ? by FromTheAir · · Score: 1
    Sometimes it might come down to what scientific perspective is the most profitable.

    Scientists are fond of coming up with things that need to be researched to create work. Sometimes it is bogus stuff.

    The researcher of course, if he discovers a cure, is out of a job, so they are always looking for that cure just around the corner. The truth is we already have it but it is not that profitable, rather we need a pill they can pop and we can patent.

    Quite often the so called scientific bodies and organizations are funded by industry and they tend to reflect the bias of the funding entities. Like the cereal companies that funded the determination of the RDA or MDR. We can see the problem of pseudo science in that the RDA for Vitamin C for laboratory monkeys is much higher than the one for humans. Because sick monkeys are not profitable the reverse of what is found with sick humans.

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  15. Who really needs the scolding? by Geak · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I'm pretty sure it's the people funding the science journalists that need a boot to the head. For instance, in our new world of energy efficient political correctness, I recently read an article about a study that was done to prove that laptops use less power when they are in sleep mode. Ummm.... really, isn't that what sleep mode was designed for? You needed a study to prove that? So we're all supposed to keep our laptops in sleep mode instead of doing something productive? How about we fund a study to prove that your laptop accomplishes far less when it's in sleep mode. Better yet, how about a study to show how much taxpayer money gets wasted on frivolous studies that prove facts we already know. Then maybe these scientific journalists will have to start proving things that aren't useless, well-known facts.

    1. Re:Who really needs the scolding? by zazenation · · Score: 1

      Say ---
      Maybe the crackerjacks funding the "sleep mode power study" are ready to take on the next quantum leap and fund a study to determine the energy savings in the "OFF mode".

      "Boldly going where no idiot has gone before --- "

  16. Biased journalism may lead to biased science by Btarlinian · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Nearly every journalist is biased in some way or another. While journalists may not necessarily inject the bias directly into their story like the example given in the article, the very choice of topic may be indicative of bias. Take for example the Reuters science articles on Yahoo! News. Nearly all the articles consist of biology stories or NASA/space related stories. In fact, when was the last time you read a news story in mainstream media on physics or chemistry? It was probably about the LHC or the "Exceptionally Simple Theory". This might be because it is harder to put the same spin on these types of stories. In fact, Garret Lisi's theory is so well known because he's been cast as a brilliant young surfer dude railing against the establishment. (Admittedly, the guy is no where as pig headed and arrogant as the biologist quoted in the article). Even Slashdot seems to be home to plenty of anti-establishment "scientific thinkers" who attempt to claim that nearly every other scientist has got it wrong and dark matter was simply invented to fit into an existing theory*, or our calculations of the age of the universe are complete BS. While I don't claim that the established theories are always right, they are considered to be "established" for a reason: they have a good deal of evidence in their favor.

    To get back to my original point however, I would argue that this sort of selective reporting shapes the public view of science negatively. If you only hear about how scientists are wrong, then you might never even believe that they are right. Perhaps of more direct impact to scientists, the fact that the prevalence of this sort of scientific reporting seems to favor biology, can shift the spending of public money. After all, it seems like biologists are making breakthroughs every day and overturning established and outdated ways of thinking while physicists build expensive machines (even condensed matter physics research is expensive) and twiddle their thumbs. There's no excitement in a story that says "BaBar confirms that CP-violation in B-mesons fits within the parameters of the Standard Model" or "Researchers at (insert university/national lab of your choice) discover a method of sub-wavelength optical transmission". But without stories like that, the public sees almost nothing getting done in physical sciences.

    Before a bunch of biologists start to flame me, I'd like to note that I don't think that biology is meaningless, or that biologists are pretentious pricks. It's just that journalists seems to draw an excessively large amounts of attention to biology, at the expense of other fields, almost always through no fault of the scientists.



    *Dark matter does in fact have plenty of evidence for it. See the earlier Slashdot story of galaxies that don't have dark matter and gravitational lensing in the Bullet Cluster. Dark Energy, however, may in fact be a purely theoretical construct.
    1. Re:Biased journalism may lead to biased science by JoshJ · · Score: 0, Troll

      I'm not a biologist, but it's painfully obvious why so much reporting is done about biology.
      Specifically, one element of biology. Evolution. Despite the fact that it's been demonstrated in the lab and has been widely accepted as theory in the scientific community for over a century now, there is a massive group of people who refuse to accept evolution because it conflicts with their religious brainwashing.

    2. Re:Biased journalism may lead to biased science by Btarlinian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not a biologist, but it's painfully obvious why so much reporting is done about biology.
      Specifically, one element of biology. Evolution. I don't really think this is the case. The people who don't believe in evolution are unlikely to be reading science articles in their local newspaper to begin with. Besides, controversy about evolution usually isn't covered as part of scientific journalism. I still think that it has more to do with the fact that findings in biology are far easier to sensationalize because they have more to do with us. Whether its gay monkeys==gay people or "A new study shows that large does of vitamin L makes toucans thinner"=>people should eat vitamin L supplements, it's much easier to make biology sensational.
    3. Re:Biased journalism may lead to biased science by Ambitwistor · · Score: 1

      And you think the reporting on biology has something to do with the evolution vs. creationism debate? Most biology reporting isn't about evolution.

      I think the amount of biology reporting has to do with:

      1. People are interested in what goes on in their own bodies.
      2. Many biology stories have a direct health/medicine angle, which people are very interested in.
      3. The rest of the biology stories usually have to do with charismatic animals.

      and maybe:

      4. Biology is often easier for people to understand or identify with than, say, physics.

      (Actually, I think the opposite effect is at work in physics reporting: journalists seem to be in a competition to outdo each other in convincing people how weird and non-understandable physics is. You get the Exceptionally Simple Theory of Everything and other extremely speculative and exotic ideas, instead of the latest advances in atomic/molecular optics.)

  17. Future Slashdot story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I encounter them every day on Slashdot! Future Slashdot story:

    Microsoft causes cancer!!!1!
    posted by kdawson
    from the see-they're-eeeeevil dept.

    A new study shows that Microsoft products cause cancer. If you add up all the people with cancer who use M$ products and all the people who use Mac OS X, you notice a startling trend: There are more people who use Windows and have cancer than those who use Mac!!! That's right, this must mean that M$ causes cancer, and we have reason to believe that Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer are doing it on purpose. You know, the man throws chairs at little old ladies and kittens.

    In fact, another independent study shows the exact same trend for AIDS! And for multiple sclerosis! Really, Microsoft and multiple sclerosis have the exact same initials. Coincidence? Not a freaking chance, they're directly linked.

    And you know what else? Global warming. Thats right. The more Windows running machines there are, the warmer the planet gets. As more Windows machines are built, you know what else is happening? Species are going extinct. Windows machines and rain forests/endangered species are inversely proportional. Just look at the numbers yourself, its all true! It's all part of M$'s evil plan to be...evil!

    In other news, Linus Torvalds is working on a new Linux distro that will end world hunger, and Steve Jobs's new OS will make you live forever.
  18. That's about right by porkThreeWays · · Score: 1

    Once a week I have to explain the speed of light barrier was not broken. Anyone remember this story?

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  19. It's inherent. by Barbobot · · Score: 1

    - Journalistic writing style is supposed to be written at about the 5th to 8th grade reading and comprehension level (any journalism student will tell you that.)

    - It's fair to say that most science is more complex than that, you know, to understate the case.

    - Most journalists aren't exactly rocket scientists.

    - Journalists are going to write stories that translate easily to the medium. They're also going to write about what they understand, well, pretend to understand, and even then they often butcher it.

    - The "bias" of science journalism is inherent in the format and its production.

    - Stories are going to be biased towards choices that can be paired with a rainbow-colored graph with clip art and headlines like, "Cool new ways to beat the summer heat! / Awesome inventions!" or a gloss over of the topic with some side reference to "Star Trek."
    Scientific writing is probably best done by scientists who are also gifted writers -- but that's getting off track. Science journalism is going to give you what's catchy, what "pops", what helps sell copies and what sells advertising space -- but also to low intellectual standards, well, it's all related. Of course.

  20. Obvious explanation by deblau · · Score: 1

    Factual newspaper articles on science are boring as hell. That doesn't draw readers, so journalists dig up (or invent) intrigue. I'm shocked no one has mentioned this yet.

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  21. Pity so few will see this. by Bo'Bob'O · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's a pity so few will see this article. It reminds me of something I saw briefly on the discovery channel about discovering Atlantis or something. The point was brought up to the effect "We don't have a lot in the way of resources because the scientists are too afraid what we will find will shatter everything they believe." Now, I know that you can't take too much on TV seriously, even the so called educational channels, but this was downright absurd. Wouldn't any scientist with the slightest bit of passion about his work be -thrilled- to take part, or help a peer with work that would have that sort of impact? It's just sad to see the Discovery Channel airing these sorts of things that completly misrepresent what science is. It's not even the MythBusters sorts of shows that bother me, it's exactly these sort of underdog stories the author is talking about that I think does a huge amount of harm to the education of people watching. It's those sorts of shows that lead people so far astray on what science is that lets the "Intelligent Design" nonsense take
    root.

    Someone else summed it up much better, though:

    But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
        - Carl Sagan "

    1. Re:Pity so few will see this. by DingerX · · Score: 1

      when, in fact, they only laughed at Bozo.

      Columbus is the worst case of this underdog narrative. Many people (evidently Dr. Sagan was one of them) believe A. that he set out to prove that the world was spherical, and B. that the dogmatic 'scientists' of the time believed the world to be flat.

      This is pure fiction developed to sustain the myth that scientific and moral progress are intertwined.

    2. Re:Pity so few will see this. by NewbieProgrammerMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Now looking at your example of Atlantis, just consider if an archaeologist actually found Atlantis, and it demonstrated that an incredibly advanced civilization existed 10,000 years ago.

      Do you actually think any archaeologist wants to find something like that which would destroy all that the archaeological community knows about the beginnings of human civilization?

      For starters, that's really amazing that you know so much about what goes on in the archaeological community, and even more about the private thoughts and motivations of archaeologists. You must know a whole lot of them, huh?

      Anyway, on to my main point: OMFG are you high? Any archaeologist finding real evidence of something like that would see gigantic dollar signs and a chance at amazing fame. Even if they were the small-minded and self-centered idiots you paint them to be, I bet the money and fame that would come from such a discovery would still weigh more than the disruption of their precious communi-tah.

      (Please forgive me for feeding the troll)

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    3. Re:Pity so few will see this. by AndyCh · · Score: 1

      One of the real problems is that the kind of journalism that is talked about in TFA is likely to be found in the most popular elements of the press, and these set up some interesting, and sometime devastating, consequences. You might look at the Andrew Wakefield controversy - where essentially one man (with a number of a alleged conflicts of interest) and a couple of UK newspapers managed to convince a large body of the population that there was a link between MMR and autism and that there was a large body of scientific opinion supporting this. In fact, it was pretty much Wakefield versus the establishment (and lots of evidence), but because he had achieved some level of publicity, people stopped having their babies vaccinated and, probably as a result, children have died in the UK from entirely preventable diseases.
      It's the same process which allows ID into classrooms - if people are discussing it, then it must be worth discussing.

    4. Re: Pity so few will see this. by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      Now looking at your example of Atlantis, just consider if an archaeologist actually found Atlantis, and it demonstrated that an incredibly advanced civilization existed 10,000 years ago. Which one would that be? I see an announcement that Atlantis has been discovered about every six months.
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    5. Re:Pity so few will see this. by Doctor+Faustus · · Score: 1

      It reminds me of something I saw briefly on the discovery channel about discovering Atlantis or something.
      The problem with that show was that it was trying to be much too literal. They examined several older civilizations that could have inspired the Atlantis stories and that Plato might have heard about, but then they kept dismissing them over minutia. I think one of them was basically dead-on except for the age. Really, if you're writing about some civilization that existed long ago, and have no modern dating technology, is 4000 years ago really much different from 9000 years ago?

  22. Actually, there is way by Moraelin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Question is, is there another way to tell the stories that isn't so formulaic and that doesn't give such an incorrect impression?"

    Actually, there is a way: just stick to reporting, don't turn it into an entertaining story. We're talking science, FFS, not the Hero's Journey archetype. It's not about the everyman who discovers his calling and ends up single-handedly fighting the super-villain, it's about a more mundane process where basically they're all on the same side.

    But science is boring for most people. There's really two kinds of stories that you can make out of it, that anyone outside that profession will read. (And those inside that profession already have the relevant peer-reviewed journals instead.)

    A) It's a BREAKTHROUGH!!!

    B) The Hero's Journey in disguise. The lone maverick who slays the dragon. (Except sometimes the climactic confrontation hasn't happened yet, so you're left to infer it.)

    And unfortunately both end up used by the journos as ammo against the real science. TFA already thrashes B, so let's just say that bogus A is what PR carpet-bombs the media with.

    So other than banning science completely from the non-peer-reviewed media, I can't see how that's solvable.

    Or if you were merely asking if it's possible to make it entertaining without being a case of lone heroes versus tyrannical super-villains... well, maybe. But consider this: the current generation of storytellers can't even tell any story except the Hero's Journey. We could live without it very well until, IIRC, the 60's, but then all of a sudden everyone had to obey the monomyth to the letter. And if two movies are the same length, they have to have their first turning point in exactly the same minute.

    So incidentally for whole classes of movies, once you figured out who's protagonist, who's antagonist, etc, you can know in advance what will happen... and in exactly what minute of the movie.

    Unfortunately, ever since, that structure has been hammered into the heads of every single story teller or screenplay writer. There are course, workshops, and the knowledge that Hollywood will chuck your manuscript in the garbage bin if it doesn't fit the mold to the letter. Not many people still know how to write any other kinds of stories any more.

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  23. People will always be biased. by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I know this isn't specifically about scientific journalism, but I think it must be said. People will always be biased, no matter how much they claim to provide a balanced view. In the end, the writer has an opinion, and this will appear in the writing.

    In some cases, the bias is deliberate. The news reporting that you receive on television and in the papers is the best example of materials that are biased. This is done in a rather sophisticated manner. Information isn't necessarily modified to favor one viewpoint over another; rather information is selectively omitted and other information is selectively made more prominent. Anybody who is involved in writing on a regular basis should be well aware that you can state exactly the same thing in different ways, each way favoring one viewpoint over another. This is precisely what takes place in the news reporting, and since its distribution is so widespread, it actually affects the thing upon which it reports. In this manner, the media actually has control over the outcome.

    Why misrepresent the facts? For a simple reason that will become apparent very quickly: Take the so-called Mid East Peace Process for example. What peace process? Things blow up everywhere, and have been for decades, and there's a peace process going on? That's news to me! Stop and ask yourself why the problems of the middle east will never get solved, and why so much misinformation circulates about the problem. The answer is obvious: An endless middle east peace problem makes for an endless supply of news, bad news specifically, and good ratings. People tune in to hear about the latest thing that exploded, and watch the commercials in between.

    The same logic applies to any sort of reporting, whether the issue is war, social security, illegal immigration, the legality of abortion, or any other issue that seems to perpetuate itself forever with no solution in sight. Once again, the outcome of the reporting causes the problem to perpetuate itself, which makes for job security and good future ratings.

    1. Re:People will always be biased. by dwye · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The answer is obvious: An endless middle east peace problem makes for an endless supply of news, bad news specifically, and good ratings.

      So the Mid East conflict was invented and made difficult to solve to give reporters a job? Ord Wingate, maybe, but reporters? No chance that wars, social security, illegal immigration, etc might be difficult because they are difficult, given two groups that are convinced that they are right not because one group is deluded but because neither group accepts the other side's postulates in the argument?

    2. Re:People will always be biased. by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 1

      I think certain "hot button" issues come up in every election because it's a good way to hide what's really going on, and people would NOT be happy with their government if they were aware. This way, everyone is so busy talking about what the right solution is to abortion, social security, the border, the war, that they vote based on these issues and not on anything important, such as the candidate's voting record or what they really stand for, beyond the hot-button issues, that sort of thing. It's not done to give reporters a job; rather it's done to give the politicians a job. The reporters simply see an opening to create more of a job for themselves, and they take advantage of it.

      As for the Mid East problem, it is definitely in the media's best interest to help fuel the conflict. This conflict would have ended years ago if the media would have consistently shown it for what it is, because most of the world's people would not permit it to continue for this long. It's so easy for the media to get away with this because most of the people in the world have no idea what is actually going on in the middle east. Well, no idea except what they see on TV or read in the paper; and what they see and read is selected by... the media!!

  24. Dumb it down to keep it interesting... by syousef · · Score: 1, Funny

    That's the way it seems to go. If it's science for entertainment you have to leave out the math, over-simplify every idea so that an illiterate red-neck could follow the argument, and preferably have something explode spectacularly. In lieu of exploding chemicals you can occassionally subsitute a story about someone brilliant being oppressed by those pesky scientists that don't understand a thing.

    If you want good science at a popular level you do fair better leaving out the popular press. There are some good books out there. Some of them even let math in the door. Take for example http://www.gravityfromthegroundup.org/

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  25. I expect the opposite.... by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The scientists who make the most noise are the ones with the biggest personal agendas and the ones most likely to appear in the popular press (because they're the ones constantly calling them and submitting articles).

    The real problem is that the public want science to be wrong. Look at global warming, it's been known for over a hundred years, there's tens of thousands of studies which back it up but you publish one article or make one documentary which says it's wrong (eg. the Channel 4 one) and you'll have an army of followers. It's human nature.

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    1. Re:I expect the opposite.... by HiChris! · · Score: 1

      Couple hundred years? Hardly!
      Just 30 years ago people were clamoring about Global COOLING! They were afraid of the impending Ice Age - All backed up by credible Scientists. Now if you want to average annual increase/decrease over the last hundred years and say there is a trend, that is an entirely different can of worms.

    2. Re:I expect the opposite.... by The_Jeff_79 · · Score: 1

      I believe that its was around '76 that the Times had a giant front page article declaring that, based on collected data, 'Global Cooling' would be the doom of our society... Personally, I buy that over 'Global Warming'... Geological records show that the earth goes through periodic Ice Ages every 40,000 yrs or so. Fossil Records indicate that these Ice Ages are typically preceded by periods unseasonable warmth. Now, the last ice age was, ohh, roughly 40,000 years ago, and we seem to have this 'warming trend'... You do the math...

    3. Re:I expect the opposite.... by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      Look at global warming, it's been known for over a hundred years, there's tens of thousands of studies which back it up...

      Hmmm... I guess sometimes it *seems* that way.

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    4. Re:I expect the opposite.... by micromen · · Score: 1

      Right there is an example of what the article was talking about. "... it's been known for over a hundred years" - what has been known? Global warming? Thats exactly like the statement about Darwin's sexual evolution just being taken as dogma despite years of having to be researched and reviewed.

    5. Re:I expect the opposite.... by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Informative

      Bollocks. "Global Cooling panic" is a myth, it's debunked virtually every time it's mentioned and yet it still keeps getting repeated as fact.

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    6. Re:I expect the opposite.... by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      Yes indeed, look at climate change. I personally see it the other way around -- as soon as a few scientists came up with a doom and gloom story about the world ending any day because humanity is ruining it like so many great movies, they got flocks of followers and all detractors are burned at the stake.

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    7. Re:I expect the opposite.... by BeerCur · · Score: 1

      Pollution is bad + wastefulness is bad + simple scientific models prove greenhouse effects + Earth has gotten warmer recently => Lets jump on board the global warming / carbon doom train so we can change some attitudes.

      However weather, which includes temperature, is a known chaotic system and simple models are not adequate. The weather man can't even get the weather right for tomorrow, so the likelihood of the current, carbon is reason we have global warming, models being accurate predictors 30 years from now is unlikely. By making absolute assertions we will melt the polar ice caps, polar bears will die, and our land will become inhospitable,... etc is bad science.

      I much rather the talking points not dumb the material to absolutes or fear mongering. Instead maybe something like... it seems likely increased / continued carbon emissions rates will have a net positive increase of the global mean temperatures, that predictively, if great enough, will result climate change affecting all aspects of humanity. By reducing our carbon footprint we not only reduce a likely factor in global warming, but in the process reduce other pollutants associated with carbon that enter our water and air (don't want to be Beijing do yah), and decrease our dependence of hydrocarbon, aka foreign oil, (so our desire to be in Baghdad will be a true reflection of our desire to bring democracy to the area (aka we're out of here)).

      But then again I don't have a B.S. so I could be wrong.

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  26. It's fake, everybody by Headcase88 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Not a single obvious spelling mistake.

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  27. The article tag is misleading by ConfusedMonkey · · Score: 1

    TFA is about the myth of the oppressed underdog upsetting the establishment, not bias in scientific writing. It's not "the man keeping new science down" it's just how the scientific review process works. If you come up with a new theory you have to defend it, just like the guy who established the current dominant theory. The entire point of journal review is to try and find holes in a new theory to see if it's a solid model or just a special case.

  28. Summary is itself an example by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 3, Informative

    The "friendly article" is about a specific narrative, "the establishment and the underdog", not about bias. The submitter got (as always on /.) it wrong. I have no idea whether the submission is an example of stupidity, bias, or maybe a different narrative. The "they are biased" narrative is very popular on /. for some reason.

    And while journalists of course have bias as everybody else, what characterize the profession is not bias (in fact, they are probably better than average at hiding it), but the search for narratives. Without a narrative, news stories will get boring, and they will lose readers (or viewers, or listeners). The term they themselves uses for a narrative is "an angle". Unlike with bias, journalists just want an angle (or narrative) in order to tell their story, they do not (in general) particularly care about what the angle is.

  29. It's all about the story by dj_tla · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm an amateur science journalist, writing for my university's newspaper. I don't claim to know anything about journalism (just science), but one thing that I continually hear from experienced journalists is that every article needs to have a story. It's not enough to say that a theory that has undergone rigorous testing has now been extended in an esoterically exciting way. As much as the discovery is truly newsworthy, the effort to convince the audience that something is newsworthy in a non-technical forum is usually not worth the effort. However, if there is a narrative behind the story -- a conflict -- then perhaps people will keep reading and be compelled to research the science underlaying the story.

    The author has a good point: mainstream media outlets focus far too much on the story and not the science, so much so that they will lie and equivocate to generate conflict. Yet, I would rather see a light science articles that are interesting and easy to read than none at all, as long as the science is actually correct.

    "Science is interesting, and if you don't think so, you can fuck off." This Dawkins quote sums up the other side of the argument. It bothers me that people would be so protective and elitist about having science portrayed perfectly in the media that they would rather it not be written about at all. We need to be criticizing the accuracy of science journalism, not its glamorization.

    1. Re:It's all about the story by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      The author has a good point: mainstream media outlets focus far too much on the story and not the science, so much so that they will lie and equivocate to generate conflict. Yet, I would rather see a light science articles that are interesting and easy to read than none at all, as long as the science is actually correct.
      The author has a good point: mainstream media outlets focus far too much on the story and not the facts, so much so that they will lie and equivocate to generate conflict.

      Just generalizing a bit, but I believe it's justified (e.g. New York Times attack piece on John McCain). And AFAICT, the same outlets assume that their audience would rather see a light celebrity story that is interesting and easy to read than they would a detailed business or science story.
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    2. Re:It's all about the story by Minwee · · Score: 1

      one thing that I continually hear from experienced journalists is that every article needs to have a story.

      I am reminded of a time that I sat on a train next to a group of salesmen on their way out to a conference. For the whole trip they were having an animated discussion about how important high numbers were and how a truly great salesman wouldn't be afraid to put the squeeze on anyone, even his friends or family, to make a few extra sales.

      Why was I reminded of this? Not because of the parallels between selling a used car to your grandmother and tricking people who don't care about science into reading about it, but because of a simple lesson that I learned a long time ago.

      Even if a bunch of people earnestly believe in something and talk to you about it very loudly and excitedly, it isn't always right.

      A group of hack screenwriters could tell you that your science journalism would sell better if it had more car chases and nudity in it, but that doesn't mean that that's the right thing to do either.

    3. Re:It's all about the story by ggwood · · Score: 1

      "I don't claim to know anything about journalism (just science), but one thing that I continually hear from experienced journalists is that every article needs to have a story. It's not enough to say that a theory that has undergone rigorous testing has now been extended in an esoterically exciting way. As much as the discovery is truly newsworthy, the effort to convince the audience that something is newsworthy in a non-technical forum is usually not worth the effort. However, if there is a narrative behind the story -- a conflict -- then perhaps people will keep reading and be compelled to research the science underlaying the story."

      This is exactly the comment I wanted to make. However, my reading of it is not nearly as sympathetic as the parent. I don't read the news to be entertained, only informed. Any attempt to "spin" the facts into a narrative virtually invariably leads to the misrepresentation of facts. Of course science is complex and it is a great feat for the journalist to grasp it at all.

      "Yet, I would rather see a light science articles that are interesting and easy to read than none at all, as long as the science is actually correct."

      I totally agree, as would the author's article. However, the article cited is getting at a different point: perhaps the science is correct, but the addition of the "story" gives the wrong impression about how science works and, indirectly, how reliable the process is.

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  30. Yes by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 1

    If you read the blog rather than the (as always) misleading summary, it is a very good match to global warming denial. There is the underdog with some alternate explanation (volcanic activity, cosmic radiation, whatever) against the huge global climate change establishment.

    It is a good story, that merely ignores how science works.

  31. Not sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Not sure if this is entirely on topic, so I'll AC it, and not actually quote it. It's by Asimov, so enjoy :) http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/RelativityofWrong.htm

  32. You can blame that on the press too by Moraelin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, ironically, a large part of that can be blamed on the press too. There's this whole bombardment of stories telling Joe Sixpack that science is a clique of self-appointed arse clowns. In no particular order:

    1. The lone researcher vs the evil establisment stories, like in TFA. Invariably the establishment is evil, you know. Well, these stories are just ammo then for the quacks, who are invariably all too eager to present themselves as that oppressed underdog.

    2. PR-sponsored and -wrote "breakthrough" stories, the sillier and more contradictory the better. "Chocolate is good for you! Cocoa beans have valuable enzymes!" (Yes, but they're no longer present in chocolate.) "Wine is even better!" "No it's not!" "Scientists prove: Beer is better than both!!!" Etc. If you can't distinguish those from real science, and Joe Sixpack can't, it looks like "science" is just a bunch of guys saying contradictory things and telling you one day that X is good, and the next that Y is bad. That what passes for bulletproof science one day, is disproved the next day, so you might as well ignore the whole clown posse.

    3. Probably the most damaging: the fucked-up idea of journalistic impartiality. See, the idea is that impartiality means presenting two conflicting views as equals, without taking sides. So if you run a story about, say, why vaccines are good, you have to also find a quack or two to go, "no they're not!!! They cause autism!!! They kill your immune system!!! Buy our 100% natural and hollistic snake oil instead!!!" And present the two as equal. It's not that one of them is bogus, it's that it's a "controversy", see. Taking sides and telling people which one is backed by solid evidence, well, that would violate that impartiality.

    This creates a false image of, well, everything being equal and equally unproved and dubious. Everything is a controversy. The Nobel prize winner in that corner of the ring is just about as likely to be right or wrong, as the quack with the fake diploma bought on the internet in the other corner. So you can take your own pick. If you want to believe the earth is flat, go ahead, even that is probably a controversy.

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  33. Worship of Ignorance by hyades1 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    A significant percentage of Americans have a deep, fundamental mistrust of intelligent people. Scientists learn early not to trust the media, who almost infallibly have to dumb down a complex subject to the point where even an idiot can grasp the bare essentials.

    Inevitably, a line is crossed and the real science is distorted to the point of inaccuracy. And the idiot whose attention is being sought inevitably just asks his pastor what he should believe in any case. Where else in the world except the United States is the Theory of Relativity accepted without question, but evolution is "just a theory"?

    As long as cracker barrel philosophers with a gift of gab and a few good one-liners are given more credibility than a terminally shy genius with a stutter, science journalism will remain a place where a few stars shine brightly over a vast sea of mediocrity and sensationalism.

    By the way...I've worked as a science writer, so I'm not entirely ignorant on this subject.

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    1. Re:Worship of Ignorance by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      Oops, sorry. I forgot.

      A couple of the moderators around here get pretty bent out of shape if you criticize the US or religion. Doing both in one post must REALLY have got somebody's knickers in a knot. I promise to be a good boy until the next time.

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    2. Re:Worship of Ignorance by hyades1 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Jeez, now I have to take it all back because a couple of sane moderators came along and outvoted the weasel with delusions of omnipotence.

      Very well, then, I'll do it like a man: I stand corrected! The system, for the most part, works and the would-be censors will probably get caught and put in their place in time to preserve the diversity of opinion, off-centre humour and freedom from bum-kissing that make /. a nice place to visit.

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  34. For good science reporting by Ambitwistor · · Score: 2, Informative

    Try Science News. Short, clear articles on new scientific developments and some review articles, and when they do write about sociological or historical meta-issues in science, it's usually done so in a relatively unbiased manner and confined to separate articles.

  35. Re:Actually, there is way by Jens+Egon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So other than banning science completely from the non-peer-reviewed media, I can't see how that's solvable.

    It would help if (more of) the peer reviewed media was accessible to the public.

    Somebody has to pay, though.

  36. Can you cite these? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Can you cite these thousands of studies over one hundred of years? I am truly interested in them.

    1. Re:Can you cite these? by TFGeditor · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      As a journalist myself, I, too, am most interested in seeing those thousands of studies, especially those dated more than 30 years in the past. I have done a lot of research (into extant literature) on climate change and never ran across any references to global warming that predated the 1990s. If global warming theory indeed surfaced 100 years ago, that's huge news. Please, poster of the grandparent, pony up with the citations. Enquiring minds and a "world in peril" want to know more about this inconvenient untruth. Oh, wait...did I say that out loud? Crap.

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    2. Re:Can you cite these? by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 5, Informative

      As a journalist myself, I, too, am most interested in seeing those thousands of studies, especially those dated more than 30 years in the past. I have done a lot of research (into extant literature) on climate change and never ran across any references to global warming that predated the 1990s. Well, turning to the bookshelf sitting immediately to the left of my desk, how about An Introduction to Atmospheric Radiation, Kuo-Nan Liou, Academic Press 1980. It's a relatively standard text about optical absorption and scattering processes in atmospheres. The greenhouse effect is brought up in chapter 4 (Infrared Radiation Transfer in the Atmosphere) and discussed further in chapter 8 (Radiation Climatology).

      Greenhouse-effect studies before the 1990s lacked the detailed numerical models that we have developed since the 1990s, since these depend on massive amounts of computer power, but the effect has been known for a long time, and it was definitely discussed before the 1990s.

      This isn't an exhaustive search of the literature-- this is the first book that I happen to have handy. If the very first atmospheric science book I put my hands on that predates the 1990s has the reference, yet you say you never ran across any references to greenhouse-effect induced global warming that predated the 1990s, this seems to be an indication that you are unfamiliar with the literature.

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    3. Re:Can you cite these? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      TFG, I'm kinda suspecting you're trolling, but just in case...

      Climate Impact of Increasing Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide. J. Hansen, et. al., 1981.
      Carbon Dioxide and Climate: A Scientific Assessment. Charney, J.G., et al., 1979.
      A Terminal Mesozoic "Greenhouse": Lessons from the Past, Dewey M. McLean, 1978.
      Greenhouse effects due to man-made perturbations of trace gases. Wang, W. C., et al., 1976.
      The effects of doubling the CO2 concentration on the climate of a general circulation model, Manabe, S., and R.T. Wetherald, 1975.
      Climatic Change: Are We on the Brink of a Pronounced Global Warming?, Wallace S. Broecker, 1975.
      The concentration and isotopic abundances of carbon dioxide in rural and marine air, Keeling, C.D., 1961
      Carbon dioxide exchange between atmosphere and ocean and the question of an increase of atmospheric CO2 during the past decades. Revelle, R., and H.E. Suess, 1957.

      Or, going back a little further:

      Callendar, G.S., 1938: The artificial production of carbon dioxide and its influence on temperature. Q. J. R. Meteorol. Soc., 64, 223-237.

      Arrhenius, S., 1896: On the influence of carbonic acid in the air upon the temperature on the ground, Philos. Mag., 41, 237-276.

      The current IPCC report has a review of historical climate research, and is available at http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/wg1/ar4-wg1-chapter1.pdf.

    4. Re:Can you cite these? by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1
      I take it, from the tenor of your comment, that you haven't actually looked at the book that I referenced. When you say "I have done a lot of research (into extant literature) on climate change," I presume you mean by this "I did a Google search."

      Since the very first reference I put my hands on indicates that you are unfamiliar with the scientific literature predating 1990, why should I pay attention to anything else you say?

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    5. Re:Can you cite these? by TFGeditor · · Score: 0, Troll

      "Since the very first reference I put my hands on indicates that you are unfamiliar with the scientific literature predating 1990, why should I pay attention to anything else you say?"

      Because you are ignoring that I pointed out I did not reference "greenhouse effect" as you claimed.

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    6. Re:Can you cite these? by TFGeditor · · Score: 0, Troll

      No, not trolling. I specifically challenge that literature predating the 1990s references "global warming."

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    7. Re:Can you cite these? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He gave you examples, why are you pretending you're still waiting for answers? And why are you pretending that the majority of references to the greenhouse affect that do not mention "Global warming" in the title aren't discussing global warming?

    8. Re:Can you cite these? by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1
      I stated "I take it, from the tenor of your comment, that you haven't actually looked at the book that I referenced."

      From your reply to that comment, it seems clear that you still haven't actually looked at the book that I referenced.

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    9. Re:Can you cite these? by TFGeditor · · Score: 0, Troll

      '... "Global warming" in the title aren't discussing global warming?'

      Those are your words, not mine. The body of the text is what is at issue.

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    10. Re:Can you cite these? by JetJaguar · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, the earliest concern over greenhouse gases that I'm aware of was proposed in 1896, by Svante Arrhenius. The American Institute of Physics has a pretty extensive bibliography as part of their review paper on this subject, which goes back even further than this.

      See The Discovery of Global Warming

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    11. Re:Can you cite these? by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 0
      I note that the sixth reference in this list. dated 1975, actually uses the term "global warming" in the title of the paper.

      This makes it extremely difficult to credit the statement by TFGeditor (737839) that "I have done a lot of research".

      TFG, I'm kinda suspecting you're trolling, but just in case...

      Climate Impact of Increasing Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide. J. Hansen, et. al., 1981.
      Carbon Dioxide and Climate: A Scientific Assessment. Charney, J.G., et al., 1979.
      A Terminal Mesozoic "Greenhouse": Lessons from the Past, Dewey M. McLean, 1978.
      Greenhouse effects due to man-made perturbations of trace gases. Wang, W. C., et al., 1976.
      The effects of doubling the CO2 concentration on the climate of a general circulation model, Manabe, S., and R.T. Wetherald, 1975.
      Climatic Change: Are We on the Brink of a Pronounced Global Warming?, Wallace S. Broecker, 1975.
      The concentration and isotopic abundances of carbon dioxide in rural and marine air, Keeling, C.D., 1961
      Carbon dioxide exchange between atmosphere and ocean and the question of an increase of atmospheric CO2 during the past decades. Revelle, R., and H.E. Suess, 1957.

      Or, going back a little further:

      Callendar, G.S., 1938: The artificial production of carbon dioxide and its influence on temperature. Q. J. R. Meteorol. Soc., 64, 223-237.

      Arrhenius, S., 1896: On the influence of carbonic acid in the air upon the temperature on the ground, Philos. Mag., 41, 237-276.

      The current IPCC report has a review of historical climate research, and is available at http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/wg1/ar4-wg1-chapter1.pdf.

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    12. Re:Can you cite these? by The+Spoonman · · Score: 1

      Apparently the parent was too subtle. He's suggesting you actually READ the book referenced to see that it is, in fact, discussing global warming and predates 1990 and therefore nullifies your claims. Now, can we move past the arrogant sophistry and get to discussing the actual science now?

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    13. Re:Can you cite these? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're not my words, they're your words. The AC posted a list of articles that referred to the subject of Global Warming, most of which had titles that used "Greenhouse Effect". You rejected them claiming they weren't what you were asking for, that you were asking about Global Warming and, by implication, that these articles couldn't be about global warming. Why are you pretending they're not about global warming?

    14. Re:Can you cite these? by fetusbear · · Score: 1

      As a Ph.D. physicist, I know that math was only my 2nd strongest subject, but... 1980 is not more than 30 years in the past. Yet.

    15. Re:Can you cite these? by hey! · · Score: 1

      You could look over the last 100 years, and find thousands of studies, but they would all be since the 1950s, and most of them would be after 1980. It was the space race that created a boom in planetary science. In order to answer questions like "Why are Earth and Venus so different?" scientists really began to ponder how Earth and Venus were different. Obviously, Venus is closer to the Sun, but is that enough to give it a surface temperature hot enough to melt lead?

      Naturally, once it seems likely that CO2 is the major source of difference, you begin to look at CO2 and temperature. So you look at the two bodies of preexisting literature: the literature on terrestrial atmospheric concentrations, and the literature on climate; ideally for papers in the intersection of the two. Put them together, and there you have your "global warming" hypothesis, ripe for the plucking.

      Naturally, for the global warming hypothesis even to be formed, this preexisting literature (and literature on the physical properties of CO2) had to already be in existence. It is this trail of literature that goes back for over a century. The literature on CO2 driven climate change only goes back a mere half century.

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    16. Re:Can you cite these? by Thangodin · · Score: 1

      Although the actual words 'global warming' may have not been used, I remember the basic idea coming up in a grade 12 geography class I took, way back in 1975. The teacher talked about the composition of the atmosphere and the proportion of CO2 in the atmosphere (a very small trace amount, 0.0360%) and mentioned that as the main contributer to the greenhouse effect, it is quite possible that human consumption of long sequestered carbon is enough to significantly affect this proportion and strengthen the greenhouse effect. When global warming broke in the news, I wasn't the slightest bit surprised, having heard about the likelihood of this happening 20 years before. If an idea appears in a high school science class, it has probably been kicking around for a while.

      The parent post is definitely trolling.

    17. Re:Can you cite these? by budgenator · · Score: 1

      You have to absolutely, positively eliminate any and all use of the phrase "The greenhouse effect" because it has been proven over 100 years ago that a greenhouse does not get warm because of "The greenhouse effect"; "The greenhouse effect" is insignificant when compared to the reduced cooling cause by the glass physically stopping convection cooling. Using the term "greenhouse effect" is just shooting yourself in the foot. A precocious 7th grader can disprove you "greenhouse effect" experimentally.

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    18. Re:Can you cite these? by riverat1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      One place to start would be the review titled "THE MYTH OF THE 1970S GLOBAL COOLING SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS" that looks at the papers published on subject from 1965-1979. You can see it here: http://ams.confex.com/ams/pdfpapers/131047.pdf According to this there was a mention of possible climate change due to the release of CO2 from burning of fossil fuels in a 1965 report from the Presidents Science Advisory Committee (to Lyndon Johnson).

    19. Re:Can you cite these? by instarx · · Score: 1

      "Greenhouse-effect studies before the 1990s lacked the detailed numerical models that we have developed since the 1990s, since these depend on massive amounts of computer power, but the effect has been known for a long time, and it was definitely discussed before the 1990s."

      You have tried to revise your argument to one that is defensible, but your new position is not the same as your original statements about global warming. In your original post you said that "Global Warming" had been known and discussed in the scientific literature for over 30 years; your revisionist position is now that the "Greenhouse Effect" was known and discussed. True, the greenhouse effect has been recognized for over 30 years, but global warming (planetary temperature rise driven by the atmospheric increase in greenhouse gases produced by man's activities) is a much newer concept. The greenhouse effect *enables* global warming - but the two are not the same as you likely know.

    20. Re:Can you cite these? by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1

      You have tried to revise your argument to one that is defensible, but your new position is not the same as your original statements about global warming I believe you must be confusing what I wrote with something somebody else wrote. I am not "revising my argument", since I hadn't previously made an argument to revise. The reply you quote is the first thing I wrote in this thread.

      The statement you quoted was a comment on the way in which the nature of the study methodology changed after 1990 (the year before which TFGeditor claimed that "despite a lot of research" he "never ran across any references to global warming.") It seemed relevant to me, but perhaps it was tangential to the topic.

      The 1980 textbook reference I gave, by the way, discusses not merely the greenhouse effect in general (in passing, he notes, p. 88, that the infrared "greenhouse effect" plays only a minor role in the heating of actual greenhouses) but specifically discusses the effects of human input of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, giving several references to earlier work. It is indeed true that the greenhouse effect has been known for a longer time than the effect of anthropogenic gasses on the global temperature, but it is not true that it was not discussed in the literature before 1990. It was discussed, it was discussed a lot, and it is not hard to find the references.

      It was not discussed so much in the popular press-- but even there, it was not absent, and if you do even a cursory search, you can find such references.

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    21. Re:Can you cite these? by instarx · · Score: 1

      I believe you must be confusing what I wrote with something somebody else wrote. I am not "revising my argument", since I hadn't previously made an argument to revise. The reply you quote is the first thing I wrote in this thread.


      Oops, you are so right - it was another poster that started the thread. His point was that global warming has been well-known for a hundred years and has had "tens of thousands" of scientific papers written supporting it. I incorrectly assumed that when someone asked for citations for those hundred years' of articles and you responded, that you were the same person.

      Although not a climatologist, I do have post-grad degrees in the Environmental Sciences, so I don't get the majority of my information from popular press (as you implied). I also do know that 30 years ago Global Warming from non-natural causes was hardly mainstream research. There is always someone investigating backwaters (or bleeding-edge in this case) of any topic so I'm hardly surprised that articles are present, but to claim that it was well-known and accepted in the scientific community 30 years ago is overstatement in my opinion.
    22. Re:Can you cite these? by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1
      I was very specifically addressing the statement by TFGeditor who claimed that he had done "a lot of research (into extant literature) on climate change" and had never run across any references to global warming that predated the 1990s. In the various replies to this thread, people have many easily findable references predating 1990, going back to Arrhenius's 1896 paper, including several (easily findable) links to lists of references, and even a 1983 E.P.A. Report saying that "the warming of the earth known as the 'greenhouse effect' will begin in the 1990's."

      The difficulty here is that when people on the "global-warming-isn't-real-and-there's-no-consensus" side of the debate pronounce with great seriousness that they've done "a lot of research" ...and a superficial check of easily-available sources doesn't seem to show that they've done any research at all, it rather saps credibility from the argument. If this is what passes for "a lot of research," there seems be something very wrong with the debate.

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    23. Re:Can you cite these? by instarx · · Score: 1

      The difficulty here is that when people on the "global-warming-isn't-real-and-there's-no-consensus" side of the debate pronounce with great seriousness that they've done "a lot of research" ...and a superficial check of easily-available sources doesn't seem to show that they've done any research at all, it rather saps credibility from the argument. If this is what passes for "a lot of research," there seems be something very wrong with the debate.

      You're exactly right - there is something very wrong with the global warming debate: one side is PR-based and other is science-based. However, that does not mean that we (the science side) should try to influence the debate in our favor by claiming that anthropomorphic mechanisms for global warming have been accepted as mainstream science for 100 years simply because the possibility was mentioned in an 1895 paper, or a (relatively) few papers were published in the intervening decades. The science from more recent, plentiful research is plenty strong enough to support the theory without having to gin up a fake pedigree.
    24. Re:Can you cite these? by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1
      Well, I wasn't actually the one who originally brought that up; I'd been specifically addressing the single wrong point.

      However, with that said, I think your accusation of "ginning up a fake pedigree" is bizarrely off-base. The publication record on anthropogenic global warming in the 50s and 60s and 70s, seems scant in comparison to today, when it's suddenly a major issue but from the point of view of ordinary, non-headline-generating science, it was perfectly reasonable science, there's nothing "fake" about it. It didn't, however, look quite so urgent back then, when there seemed to be a plethora of other more urgent environmental concerns, like nuclear warheads, and maybe one degree of warming twenty or thirty or fifty years in the future really seemed more like science fiction than a crisis.

      To some extent, today's global warming crisis is the child of the "law of conservation of crisis"-- when one crises fades, the next item on the list rises to the top, and becomes the crisis of the moment. So nobody any more seems worried any more about 20,000 nuclear warheads aimed at us by the Russians....

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  37. Bad Summary by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

    takes a look at the '2007 Best American Science and Nature Writing' and doesn't like what he finds in an article called Bad Science Journalism and the Myth of the Oppressed Underdog.


    He didn't like what he found in the article, or he wrote this article to express his dislike for what he found? TFA and some common sense make it the latter, of course, but that sentence could be clearer.
  38. great old column by ben goldacre by drfireman · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ben Goldacre, who writes a regular column on bad science for the Guardian on bad science wrote a great column about this once, in which he pointed out the obvious-in-retrospect: science journalists don't have science backgrounds. He regularly takes on both bad science and bad science reporting, and his blog/column is a lot of fun to read. Fun in a deeply disturbing way.

    The one startling regularity I have noticed across all science reporting is that the more I know about the subject area, the more misleading the article seems. It seems clear this pattern can't be completely limited to science reporting. I cut popular media a lot of slack in terms of glossing over details and simplifying for a popular audience. But the distortions I see are more often fundamentally misleading about the nature of the work and the details that are relevant to the story. Disturbingly, I'm still tempted to believe some of what I read in areas about which I know little. Even more disturbing, I find this mode of reporting seeping into the scientific articles I read and review. I guess this saves the reporters the trouble, but points out one of the many problems with science reporting done by people who have no ability to read science critically.

    The one time I was interviewed about my work, I had the sense the reporter already had a story outlined, based on a science-fiction-y reading of the press release, and was basically fishing for quotes to add meat to the story.

    1. Re:great old column by ben goldacre by david_thornley · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's an educational experience to be "backstage" in a running story. I, or my family, have been personally involved in a few things that made the news for a while.

      Newspapers are good at getting facts right. The individual facts they print are, in my experience, probably true (or, at worst, difficult to prove false). They are very good at picking and choosing facts to make a certain, apparently pre-determined, conclusion.

      There is also the arrogance factor. I was in a meeting where some of us questioned the reporter present. He said that the newspaper stood behind the notes taken, and therefore we had no reason to doubt him. The first part of the reply was reasonable, but the second part?

      These stories were in the main part of the newspapers, where you would expect the best journalism. There are parts of most newspapers that are dominated by press releases, and then there's sports journalism, where there isn't even much pretense at objectivity.

      There's no reason to think science reporting is going to do any better.

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  39. Are you sure ? by aepervius · · Score: 1

    From what I read, while Newtonian mechanic can predict light bending for a small weighted photon, it don't predict light bending for zero mass photon.
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    However, there is a problematical aspect to this "Newtonian" prediction, because it's based on the assumption that particles of light can be accelerated and decelerated just like ordinary matter, and yet if this were the case, it would be difficult to explain why (in non-relativistic absolute space and time) all the light that we observe is traveling at a single characteristic speed. Admittedly if we posit that the rest mass of a particle of light is extremely small, it might be impossible to interact with such a particle without imparting to it a very high velocity, but this doesn't explain why all light seems to have precisely the same velocity, as if this particular speed is somehow a characteristic property of light. As a result of these concerns, especially as the wave conception of light began to supersede the corpuscular theory, the idea that gravity might bend light rays was largely discounted in Newtonian physics. (The same fate befell the idea of black holes, originally proposed by Mitchell based on the Newtonian escape velocity for light. Laplace also mentioned the idea in his Celestial Mechanics, but deleted it in the third edition, possibly because of the conceptual difficulties discussed here.)

    light bending in newtonian physic

    But then again I could misread the paragraph, the light bending prediction from newtonian physic was based on false premise.

    The rest of the text give you 100% reason, on the difficulty of measurement, up to the funny details that Einstein made an error initially and had a bending prediction identical as newtonian physic, and that really the measurement verification were more confirmed in 2004.

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    1. Re:Are you sure ? by Ambitwistor · · Score: 1

      I think you did somewhat misread the above paragraph.

      Newtonian theory predicts light bending even for zero-mass particles. (The amount of deflection is given in the article you linked.) But it does not explain why zero mass particles all have the same speed. That is where relativity differs from Newton.

      By the way, I highly recommend Kevin Brown's web site (the mathpages.com site you linked). It contains many interesting calculations and musings.

  40. My personal experience by protobion · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I detailed my personal experience regarding sensationalism in science journalism here : http://nachiket.wordpress.com/2008/01/26/sensationalism/

    This is a serious issue in terms of the effects it has on the public opinion of science.

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  41. Re:Actually, there is way by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 1

    Speaking as someone who has to read the peer-reviewed media, I seriously doubt more than the tiniest of fractions of the population would read scientific papers if they had access. It's only by sheer force of will that *I* slog though papers, and I have an intrinsic motivation as a fellow scientist.

    Basically, I'm saying that most of us are really boring writers.

  42. Article won't be read by though who most need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or pretty much every article about anyone who challenges anything about global warming. It's funny that you should mention this. I have some conservative friends who are evolution & global warming skeptics who really do buy into the whole "oppressive, self-serving scientific establishment" narrative that I'd love to show this article, but unfortunately the choice highlighted work means that the entire article is likely to be viewed extremely skeptically for purely emotional / political / religious reasons.

    I wish the author had used nearly *any* other topic to highlight the problem so that I provide a well-written rebuttal to the concept of the "maverick scientist" to those who most need it, but I fear it would fall on deaf ears. Oh well.
  43. Journalism is almost always biased too by peter303 · · Score: 1

    I just try to be aware of the authors biased and extract facts accordingingly.

  44. Excellent science journalism journalism by pyrr · · Score: 1

    I was expecting another article beating the zombie-horse that is Creationism apologetics junk science. While I take guilty pleasure in reading those articles too (nothing like having relabelled creationism nonsense masquerading as science get debunked, it's just annoying that some outlets portray them as outspoken underdogs when they're only outspoken because they're bad at science), this article discusses the greater peer-reviewed scientific process in greater detail. Not only that, but its impact is greater since it uses a relatively neutral example that isn't so prone to the circular arguments and intellectual dishonesty that gets introduced whenever origin theories are discussed. I guess it's only appropriate that science journalism is also subject to peer review just as the field it reports on.

  45. Re:Actually, there is way by Darinbob · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There's really two kinds of stories that you can make out of it, You forgot the common narrative of "You Are In Danger!"
    Ie, stories about the evidence that eating cabbage causes cancer, followed the next month that not having enough cabbage causes heart disease, followed the next month by cabbage flatulence leading to the greenhouse effect, and so forth.
  46. Haven't you ever heard of Lexis Nexis? by hey! · · Score: 1
    Or abstract databases? Or Google Scholar?

    Just searching the NY Times, for the dates between 1970 and 1989, there are almost two hundred hits on "Carbon dioxide AND Global Warming", such as this, from the October 18, 1983 issue entitled: "E.P.A. REPORT SAYS EARTH WILL HEAT UP BEGINNING IN 1990'S"

    The Environmental Protection Agency warned in a report made available today that the warming of the earth known as the ''greenhouse effect'' will begin in the 1990's.

    John S. Hoffman, director of strategic studies for the agency, said in an interview today: ''We are trying to get people to realize that changes are coming sooner that they expected. Major changes will be here by the years 1990 to 2000, and we have to learn how to live with them.''

    The report, which was completed last month by Mr. Hoffman's office, said the warming trend, the result of a buildup of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, is both imminent and inevitable. In the next century, it warns, the world will have to learn to deal with major changes in climate patterns, with disrupted food production and with significantly higher coastal waters.


    Hmm. Looks like the EPA was right.

    Of course, having lived through that period married to an Earth scientist, I know first hand this was a hot topic even at the start of the 1980s, but you can see it's not hard to find citations in the popular press. There are over seven hundred newswire articles found by Lexis Nexis over this period for "global warming" plus "carbon dioxide".

    If you don't have access to online abstract databases, you could try Google Scholar, which finds cited literature; it finds papers on CO2 induced global warming as far back as 1961. Once you pull out one article article from the 1980s, it cites earlier and earlier ones. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the greenhouse effect and anthropogenic climate change was a hotly contested research topic in the 1980s, and papers had been snowballing for the prior two decades.

    Of course, in planetary science it certainly has been known that CO2 traps heat, probably for over a century. In fact it was known in the 1950s that CO2 is what makes Venus so hot; it was space science that prompted planetary scientists to compare Venus and Earth, and wonder whether CO2 on Earth was increasing as a result of human activities.

    Let me suggest that if you tried really hard, and found NO pre 1990 references, then there is something very wrong with the way you are doing the search. I suppose if your wife was cheating on you and you didn't want to believe it, you could look thousands of places for evidence where you'd never find it.
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    1. Re:Haven't you ever heard of Lexis Nexis? by operagost · · Score: 1

      Hmm. Looks like the EPA was right.
      Citing a bunch of stuff that supports the idea of CO2 trapping heat isn't support for global warming-- it's a straw man. We all know carbon dioxide has this characteristic from grade school science. The issue is whether man-produced carbon emissions are having an impact on global temperature-- and many of the un-fudged numbers say no.
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    2. Re:Haven't you ever heard of Lexis Nexis? by hey! · · Score: 2, Informative
      Please don't try to shift the grounds of the argument here. Let's dispose of one point first before we raise a different point.

      I'm addressing the assertion that anthropogenic climate change driven by CO2 was something that was cooked up for political purposes in the 1990s. The literature search clearly shows that this is false as anybody who was alive and paying attention at the time could tell you.

      Now, on to your assertion. It sounds like an unassailable philosophical proposition to say that anthropogenic (I'm glad climate change "skeptics" have relented that much at least) climate change is an untestable proposition because we don't have a control Earth in which humanity was magically whisked away in 1990.

      But it's not.

      It is true that having a control subject is the most reliable way of ensuring a hypothesis is falsifiable. In fact the basic design of a controlled experiment revolves around trying. The essence here is making predictions. If you check the bit I quoted above, one of the predictions made in 1983 was that the 1990s would be exceptionally warm. Had they been cool, or about the same, then the CO2 generated climate change hypothesis would have been shown false.

      The question is not whether anthropogenic greenhouse effect climate change is falsifiable, the question is how much confidence we should have in the evidence so far. A priori the we can attack the claim on three fronts. First the climate might not be getting warmer; if not then we have no evidence. Second, the concentrations of CO2 might not be increasing, or they might not be increasing in a way that can be correlated to climate change. Finally, humans might not be contributing to CO2.

      All these approaches have been tried, and will continue to be tried, with great vigor. If you know any Earth scientists, you'd realize they'd love to be able to knock a link out of the chain, simply because so many scientists have tried and thus far failed.

      It's really time we start to call global warming, not a hypothesis, but a theory, like evolution. Nearly every biologist believes in the theory of evolution. However, if you look carefully, experiments and studies of evolution still have vestigial attempts to disprove evolution built into their methods. If you want to show that natural selection functions in a certain way, you still end up attempting to show it is not functioning at all in this particular case. The same goes for Earth sciences. Very few Earth scientists disbelieve in climate change; but disproving there is a change in anything you are measuring is always going to be the first thing you do, even if you are quite confident.\

      The issue is whether man-produced carbon emissions are having an impact on global temperature-- and many of the un-fudged numbers say no.


      OF COURSE THEY DO! If they didn't, then you'd really have reason to believe the numbers were cooked. I'm married to a scientist, and she sometimes says (in private, because people latch onto these things the wrong way) that the data for global warming is "too good". This doesn't mean she disbelieves the existing data, it's just that she's itching to see more contrary data. It's the nature of the animal. I can tell you if I confidently stated that day follows night she'd automatically stay up all night to make sure. It's drilled into them until its second nature. Finding something somebody forgot to check is how you make your reputation.

      It is still within the bounds of possibility somebody make make his scientific reputation by disproving the anthropogenic link, although in light of how well this hypothesis has held up over the last forty years, you can't say this viewpoint represent the balance of evidence. It only represents carefully selected evidence.

      What may be more likely (and relevant from a policy standpoint) is the idea it's too late for humans to do anything about it.
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  47. Buy My Book by suitti · · Score: 1

    Read it or burn it at your leisure.

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  48. Why are you surprised? by Orig_Club_Soda · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Scientists are just as biased and emotion driven as anyone else. Just look at the Slashdot community who claim to be scientists. They are one of the most hateful groups on the internet.

  49. Re:Actually, there is way by Jens+Egon · · Score: 1

    I was actually thinking of that as part of 'access'.

    Rewriting by competent writers wouldn't make open access journals cheaper would it. :-)

    They would have to understand what they're writing about, too, ruling out journalists. ;-)

  50. Re:Actually, there is way by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 1

    Well, some journalists. I know science journalists with advanced degrees in their fields. If the need of such people were to rise, I don't doubt that we'd see more get trained.

    It's not entirely clear that even a non-boring paper (and I've read some of those, too) would be accessible to all but the most keen person outside the immediate field. Apart from reading the abstract and conclusions, that is. (Which is all a lot of scientists typically read, come to it...)

  51. MS by certel · · Score: 1

    I just have to say that in my personal opinion I'm not surprised that MS didn't do well, but last? How does a browser last this long that doesn't support the majority of web standards?

  52. Re:What scientific perspective is most profitable by CorSci81 · · Score: 1

    The researcher of course, if he discovers a cure, is out of a job, so they are always looking for that cure just around the corner. The truth is we already have it but it is not that profitable, rather we need a pill they can pop and we can patent.

    Do you even realize how absurd that sounds? The researcher who cures any famous incurable disease not only will be famous and probably set for life from that alone, but their career will no know bounds. Who wouldn't want to hire the guy who cured a rare form of leukemia? He can easily rest on his laurels for the rest of his life or if he likes working, move on to new incurable disease. There will always be new diseases to cure.

  53. not a good thinker by epine · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I call it the 'oppressed underdog' narrative, and it would be great except for the fact that it's usually wrong. With his keen eye for misleading narrative devices, you'd think he would have spotted the old canard "undefined denominator". Just how wide does one need to cast this net to obtain "usually"? Every crackpot later recruited by scientology? Every anti-establishment survivalist publishing in "Bullets and Butter"? Every #1 cure-for-everything they-won't-tell-you-about dietary infomercialist? Cast the net only into the fish ponds I was likely to believe in the first place, would the rhetoric still be "usually"? Nice little bit of evasive "dial a denominator" there. The rest of the paper continues to demonstrate his point from the basis step 1/1 (one out of one). Did you miss his induction step? It was that word "usually" in the lede paragraph.

    This raises a question: being gay has obvious evolutionary fitness consequences - without modern medicine, you have to have heterosexual sex to have offspring. This has never been obvious, though many people seem to wish it were. To begin with, for any population is it far from obvious how to define "optimal fertility". Less that the carrying capacity of their niche in the ecosystem? Less than the historic carrying capacity? Less than the projected carrying capacity? If homosexuality could be shown to lead to sustained population fertility below the "optimal" fertility rate for that population (if such a definition is even possible) you would also have to show that the basis for homosexual behaviour did not confer on the population any form of immunity to black swan events, under any hypothetical future condition.

    We've all seen this definition of "obvious" play out with road ragers on busy highways. From the road rage perspective isn't it "obvious" that if I cut past that car ahead of me, I'll get there just a little bit sooner? Why is it I can still many of the cars that dangerously cut me off ten miles later, still struggling to gain every foot with the valiant effectiveness of trench combatants in WWI? When you actually study traffic flow on a highway, what you discover is that this kind of aggressively self-serving behaviour produces standing waves which reduce the net capacity of the highway as a whole. But still, somehow, it seems obvious to many that this driving strategy constitutes a good way to gain personal advantage.

    Third, he's using *Darwin* here in an anecdote about over-reaching scientific orthodoxy undermined. Unbelievable. No, don't use Freud, Chomsky, Pauling, Schottky, or the Leaky family as an example of a scientist possibly prone to overreaching. No, use Darwin, Marie Curie, or Michael Farrady.
  54. English majors writing about science by Schnoodledorfer · · Score: 1

    Dr. Richard Preston, the editor of "2007 Best American Science and Nature Writing", has a Ph.D. in English rather than any branch of science. Can it be surprising if the "best" scientific "writing", in his opinion is whatever tells the best story, rather than that which does the best job of explaining science? Keep in mind that we are talking about a branch of journalism here (hence the title: "Bad Science Journalism ...", not about something that is a part of science, itself.

    Many of the same problems occur in school textbooks, unfortunately. There is considerable effort to make the material seem interesting and relevant, but unfortunately the science is not presented as clearly when they do that. One of the worst examples that I have seen was a middle school textbook that introduced genetics by talking about hippogriffs. Undoubtedly, this was an effort to capitalize on the popularity of a recent Harry Potter book that had featured hippogriffs as characters. Unfortunately the way the textbook used hippogriffs made little sense at all and only confused the explanation of genetics.

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  55. H. Pylori by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you really want to talk about someone that made it as an underdog, remember the guy that discovered H. Pylori-- he was belittled and berated, ridiculed left and right for saying that there was even a possibility that those stomach ulcers may be due to bacteria.