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Microsoft Tries To Prevent Further Discovery

An anonymous reader notes the considerable irony in Microsoft asking for relief from further discovery in the Windows Vista Capable debacle. This is the lawsuit that was recently granted class-action status, and Microsoft wants the wheels of justice to stop while it appeals that designation. It's easy to see why Microsoft wants to prevent further digging around in their and their OEMs' email archives, with stories like this one from the NYTimes (registration may be required) revealing Redmond's highly embarrassing internal emails to a mass audience.

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  1. It's only fair by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    After, all that discovery is only producing documents which will torpedo their appeal of class action status.

    Can't have that, can we?

  2. Vista disaster by 0123456 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When I bought a laptop a few months ago, even the sales people were telling me how much Vista sucks (despite the fact that some of the stores didn't even sell XP laptops anymore so they were sure to lose a sale). When the people selling PCs are actively discouraging customers from buying newer systems with newer operating systems, Microsoft clearly have a problem... so I'm not surprised they want to hide their dirty laundry rather than have it exposed in the press.

    1. Re:Vista disaster by Original+Replica · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Microsoft clearly have a problem.

      Yeah the problem is that they listened to some asshat Marketing VP instead of their program managers

      The minimum hardware configuration was set so low that "even a piece of junk will qualify," Anantha Kancherla, a Microsoft program manager, said in an internal e-mail message among those recently unsealed, adding, "It will be a complete tragedy if we allowed it."

      She was exactly right, for MS this is a complete tragedy. Any bets on if they give her a big fat rise for trying to warn them? Any bets on if they fire the senior management that pushed for dropping the hardware requirements?
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  3. Re:I don't get it by FlyingGuy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Although I have not read the CLASS documents, this is coming from the consumer side. These are people that are not IT professionals. I am an IT professional, and when I did the very same research you did, I told every customer I had, "Look, what Vista is bringing to the table, you really don't need". The people you have working for you perform about 4 basic functions. a) They type up documents. b) They do basic spreadsheets, nothing fancy nothing remotely resembling complicated. c) They do e-mail correspondence. d) they do minor web research.

    I told them 95% of your machines will require a memory upgrade and a new video card, since the on-board video system will not handle Aero and with parts and labor that is going to cost you about $300.00 per machine so that's going to be around $30K PLUS the upgrade licenses, training costs, etc. To a client, they all said, "And I would do this why?".

    On the consumer side, all they see is "Vista Capable". Now if they had stickers like "Vista Capable but NOT vista premium Capable" that might have made consumers step back and say "Huh, what you talking about Willis?". Their own e-mail exchanges ( which I have read ) clearly indicate that they knew the marketing was going to confuse the crap about of your average consumer, that they knew the Intel video chip-set was "No Go" but they made the decision to push forward anyway, even after one of their own said, "I now have a $2100.00 e-mail machine", with no printer drivers, no Aero, none of the "WOW" that was being heavily advertised and promoted as the lunchpin of their upgrade sales strategy.

    Microsoft really really put shit out there that is now coming around to bite them in the ass, and deservedly so.

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  4. Re:I don't get it by zotz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "They are NOT meant to administrated by users. What marketing says is one thing, reality is another."

    Fine, so again:

    Which is it? Do you need expert skill and knowledge to run windows properly and safely or not?

    And, if you do need the experts, who should the administrator be for the average home user?

    all the best,

    drew
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  5. Re:You've decided the case - the court hasn't by MikeBabcock · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You're forgetting the disturbing Western trend that the accused are guilty of crimes before a trial even happens.

    TV shows like Law and Order state in their introduction voice-over that the DAs "prosecute offenders" not suspects.

    Police on shows like Cops routinely justify their overzealous use of power with no regard for citizens' rights (including questioning without Mirandizing them).

    People should be ashamed that they've turned on each other and decided they can be judge and jury based on facts heard third and fourth party through the Internet.

    Let someone have their day in court then feel free to judge based on the facts.

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