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Should Scientists Date People Who Believe Astrology?

YourAstrologer writes "Wired Science asks: Should scientists date people who believe in astrology? Apparently, the argument is quite complex. Astrology is sort of a flawed mental shortcut for understanding the world, but so is disregarding someone because of their spiritual beliefs. Women are inundated with astrological nonsense from fashion magazines, so it is normative for them to believe it even if they are otherwise highly logical. Smart people can convince themselves of silly things."

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  1. Which method? by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 5, Funny

    Which method - radiocarbon or by slicing thenm and counting the rings?

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    1. Re:Which method? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      You don't need to slice them to count the rings - just look at any hippy chick's fingers and you'll see plenty ;-)

    2. Re:Which method? by mapsjanhere · · Score: 2, Funny

      I used to go for the slicing method, but my neighbors kept complaining about the screams...

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    3. Re:Which method? by rubycodez · · Score: 4, Funny

      treat them as equals? walk into work, pound them on the back and yell, "hows it hangin', asshole? feel good?, well ya look like shit" Nah, maybe should treat them better than an equal would be treated.

    4. Re:Which method? by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Funny

      given that many MALE scientists believe in imaginary superbeings that were made up by some random illiterate guy some thousands of years ago
      George Lucas isn't that old.
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    5. Re:Which method? by alexgieg · · Score: 1, Funny

      Why would the burden of proof be with the guy who refuses to believe the religious crap?
      Because when you study comparative religion in a serious, academic way, you quickly reach undeniable evidences of "something" that defy the typical atheist's oversimplifications.

      For example, when you compare what different practitioners of different religions say on "the beyond" and related subjects, you find that, although the religions they practice are one very different from the other, after years of following to the letter the precise practices taught by that religion, the conclusions they all reach are the same, they are expressed in very similar terms, they draw the exact same picture of what reality "in itself" is like, etc. And by "different religions" and "different practitioners" I mean a modern day monk training in an Eastern Orthodox Christian monastery, a Native American using peyote, a Muslim Sufi of the 14th century, a Buddhist monk who lived in the 2nd century BC, etc.

      So, yes, it's on the atheist hands to provide the extraordinary evidence allowing us to dismiss this enormous corpus of repeatable, reproducible experiences as useless.

      And, most important: to do so properly, after studying and practicing the subject for as many years as it takes for a proper practitioner to reach these (again: repeatable and reproducible) results. Because this is in no way different than the requirements for one to become, say, a PhD in physics. For you to participate properly in a particle accelerator experiment, you need 8 years of basic education, plus 3 years of High School, plus 4 years of College, plus 2 years for a MD and 3 years for the PhD, i.e., 20 years (minimum) of dedicated study in total.

      Religion requires the same effort and dedication for you to "get" it right. If you spent just 6 months in total thinking about religion to conclude it's worthless, then stopped worrying about it, don't expect your conclusion to have any weight whatsoever for those who spent 40 times more not only thinking, but "orthodoxically" practicing it, step-by-step, level-by-level, at each one confronting the results actually obtained to those others reached and adjusting his practice accordingly if they didn't match, until they did and he could advance to the next one and repeat the process. Simply put, there's no comparison.
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    6. Re:Which method? by The+Great+Pretender · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's a short queue on /.

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    7. Re:Which method? by iamacat · · Score: 2, Funny

      Astrology is not a more-flawed model; it's not a model at all.

      Temperature and amount of sunlight during pregnancy and early infant months of a baby have no effect at all at his/her personality? Observing positions of various constellations is not one way to keep track of seasons? I see some biology and astronomy education in your stars.

  2. Slow news day? by dreamchaser · · Score: 1, Funny

    Must be for this to make the front page. It's not like anything *interesting* is going on elsewhere I suppose.

    Don't mind my grumpiness. I think it's just the bad horoscope I read this morning. I should have stayed in bed.

  3. Well by HandsOnFire · · Score: 1, Funny

    I'm kind of a scientist and I kind of believe that astrology might have some truth to it. Is spiritualism of any kind NOT for scientists?

    1. Re:Well by poena.dare · · Score: 2, Funny

      Some of do happen to work at Christian Porn Astrology Scientific Testing Labs, LLC.

  4. Yes. by Sir.Cracked · · Score: 4, Funny

    Beggars can't be choosers....

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  5. This...IS....SLASHDOT! by Internet+Ronin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Seeing as this is Slashdot, lemme just say, you should probably take what you can get. Astrology, piercings, fetishes, just be glad a girl's talking to you and not asking you to do her math homework. Seriously though, sometimes breasts are big enough to make other things not important.

    1. Re:This...IS....SLASHDOT! by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Seriously though, sometimes breasts are big enough to make other things not important.


      Sometimes?

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    2. Re:This...IS....SLASHDOT! by Mikkeles · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, "sometimes"; else you may be faced with this!

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  6. It depends by insertwackynamehere · · Score: 3, Funny

    What's they're sign? If you two are incompatible according to the stars then you can forget about being compatible on Earth.

  7. Astrology is just plain wrong by Malevolent+Tester · · Score: 5, Funny

    As a Marxist, I have no time for pseudoscientific concepts that claim to explain the workings of human nature in their entirety while offering no evidence or falsifiability.

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  8. Offense by Stormcrow309 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have to take offense to this. Couple of years ago, the local paper's astrological peice listed for my birthday, 'If today is your birthday, you gonna get lucky today.' Now, yes I was dating the lady who was incharge of editing that section at the time; but by God, it was correct.

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    1. Re:Offense by n3tcat · · Score: 2, Funny

      I wish I had your birthday.

  9. Think of the children by dougoxley · · Score: 4, Funny

    Think of the children... No, seriously, think of the children.

  10. Only if she's a Water Sign by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 2, Funny

    Duh.

  11. Oh man... by o'reor · · Score: 4, Funny

    From the comments on TFA:

    check this 68k mac software does statistics on astrology.

    http://dragonflypower.com/HSReadme.htm

    (note, this is not even on /. !)

    Which begs the question: Should anybody date someone who recommends taking a look at a 68k Mac software in 2008 ?

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  12. I'm a Scorpio. by xs650 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm a Scorpio, Scorpios don't believe in astrology.

    1. Re:I'm a Scorpio. by Alsee · · Score: 2, Funny

      My sign is Neon, Neons don't believe in astrology either.

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  13. How to find a spouse by romanm · · Score: 5, Funny

    There's an old Bosnian joke about how Mujo decided which girl he should marry. He discussed about it later with his friend Haso:
    H: I heard you got married. Congratulations! How did you decide?
    M: Well, this was not easy. I had three candidates and I conducted a test. I asked the first one:
          "What's 2+2?".
          She said "4".
          I though to myslelf, that's good, the woman is smart.
          The second one said: "Well, it depends. It can be 4, but sometimes it can also be 3 or 5."
          That's even better, the woman is cunning.
          I asked the third one the same question and she says "I don't care. Whatever my husband says it is".
          I thought to myself, this woman surely will respect her husband. This is good.
    H: So, which one did you take?
    M: Oh. The one with big tits, of course.

    I don't think that scientists are THAT different to other men.

  14. Re:Oh really? by SuperDuck · · Score: 5, Funny

    women are easily swayed by what they read in fashion magazines. Not married to a "fashionista", I guess? Not any more, fortunately. She was *so* yesterday. ;-P
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  15. Re:Sure, provided they are hot by gnick · · Score: 5, Funny

    No, it's arrogant. Sounds like perfectly normal behavior. For a Leo...
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  16. Re:Comtempt is not compatible with love by erlehmann · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm a person with very firm Christian beliefs.

    Interesting - you believe in salvation through a holy zombie despite a total lack of explanation as to how the reanimation of dead bodies relates to human events ?
  17. Re:Comtempt is not compatible with love by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 5, Funny

    OK, let's at least get this clear: the resurrection of Jesus (you know, the fictional one) did not involve zombies. Jesus did not hunger for the flesh of the living. Instead, he actually came back to life.

    We're talking Goa'uld Sarcophagus or Ancient Healing Device here, not a zombie virus.

  18. Re:Sure, provided they are hot by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Funny
    "You wouldn't think someone who believes he's an extraterrestrial entity come to earth to create a race of half-humans and start the colonization of the cave world that exists ten meters under our cities and is inhabited by vampires, must be somewhat stupid?"

    The article is about Astrology not $cientology...

    :-)

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  19. Re:Ahh... by geminidomino · · Score: 3, Funny

    Especially if they're[sic] beliefs include doing nasty things to women, homosexuals and non-believers. Hey now. My beliefs include doing nasty things to women, and I've gotten nary a complaint...
  20. Re:Science is 24/7 by Imsdal · · Score: 3, Funny

    Science is a 27/7 way of life

    And a confusing life it is! But finally, I understand why so many scientists have problems with time management...

  21. Oh my. by TrebleJunkie · · Score: 4, Funny

    Guys, if any women are actually reading this, we are collectively sooooo not ever getting laid.

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  22. Astrology for scientists. by 3-State+Bit · · Score: 5, Funny
    Astrology for scientists.
    1. Sequence your DNA.
    2. Compress it and take the hex checksum. You can use any compression scheme and any checksum algo (but use a real one, don't just make one up ad hoc) to get the hex result, it doesn't really matter. However, you have to go with the first one you pick, you can't pick a different one just because you didn't like the results.
    3. Take the last hex digit of your checksum that isn't a C, D, E or F. (If your whole checksum consists of just these letters, add 1 to your compressed DNA and checksum again (repeating if necessary). Use the following guide to picking an astrological sign:
    4. Next, read the linked Wikipedia article (and any mainstream sources too if you want, for example in newspapers and magazines), and:
    5. Start acting in accordance with your selected personality. That's it!

    Now for some good news: by following the above steps, you will develop a mathematically sound personality that society actually needs, and, more to the point, every one of the linked personalities gets laid and so will you. Study your personality, make the set of behaviors etc. your own, and date only people who have an astrological sign that complements the one you've chosen using the above steps! When faced with a choice, read the astrology section of a trusted newspaper, and just do whatever is prescibed for your chosen personality. The only caveat (and really it is the only one) is not to mention your true birthday, only one that fits in with your chosen sign, if anyone asks. This is just to keep from having to explain the science behind your choice every time you mention it. If the relationship gets to be very serious, just invent a story about a botched birth certificate, for why your identification doesn't show your "true" birthday... As with nicknames, people will understand that you have a different "official" birthday.

    FAQ.

    Why is this better than a traditional horoscope?
    The traditional way of determining astrological signs for selecting a personality is flawed because there is an unequal distribution of births by month. (It's not the only thing true about birth months, incidentally! Check out these studies linking lifespan and month of birth!) Also, your physical birth month will be a function of, how can I put this delicately, your parents' mating habits, so it's less than scientific...

    But won't twins have the same checksum?
    Duh. It's an astrological sign. You know, normally based on birthdate...

    But won't people cheat and just keep picking different checksum schemes until they get the "

  23. What does the stars say? by rolfc · · Score: 2, Funny

    The principal point should be whether the stars says that you two are made for each other, of course.

  24. Re:How many people take this seriously? by erudified · · Score: 2, Funny

    You might be surprised!

    A good friend of mine, almost a brother to me - an otherwise reasonable, sane guy - is a devout believer in astrology. For the longest time, I thought it was a (largely successful) ploy to get laid. But after many alcohol induced discussions with him, I came to the conclusion that he actually believes in it.

    His explanation? When asked a few hard questions about astrology, e.g., Are all Scorpios complete fucking morons, or is it just you? and Why are all astrological predictions exceptionally vague and overwhelmingly flattering? he responded that he feels it's a useful way to get a feel for some baseline characteristics of an individual. Myself, being a sagittarius, am apparently prone to prolonged bouts of philosophical circlejerking and self-destruction. Not sure where I was going with this. Just food for thought.

  25. Re:How is fetishes bad? by david@ecsd.com · · Score: 2, Funny

    It depends. That time I met the girl who liked to be pooped on ... well, that was a deal breaker for me.

  26. No, Male scientists should not date women by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2, Funny

    I see this as a basic problem of economics and supply/demand.

    See, I'm a scientist (male). I would prefer it if women, including those who believe in astrology, preferred to date male scientists, especially in my age range, and that male scientists didn't want to date women.

    That way demand for me is high and supply of me is low, making it fairly easy for me to date cute women.

    Oh, and they should be rich too ... and really like sex.

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  27. Re:Which method? -- How about being well informed? by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 4, Funny

    What emerged was a type of psychological langauge framework that describes how certain planetary positions influence living systems including people and animals, possibly through DNA influences at the quantum level.
    My bullshit meter just redlined!
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  28. Re:Just lie about your birthdate and see what happ by cyphercell · · Score: 2, Funny

    oh, right rule out dumb girls, when exactly was the last time you hooked up with someone?

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