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RIAA Denies Hypocrisy in Royalties Dustup

Hairless ape writes "The RIAA is reacting to a story pointing out the group's hypocrisy in its attempts to have songwriter royalties lowered. The issue stems from attempts to get webcasters to pay fixed royalty rates. 'In short, the contention was that the RIAA wanted to pay a percentage of its revenue to songwriters as its profits have fallen, but pushed for a fixed per-stream when it came to earning money from webcasters.' The RIAA says that's not so, and that SoundExchange offered a similar model to webcasters. Either way, the rates sought by the two groups would have bankrupted many webcasters. 'Now you know; it wasn't about hypocrisy, but one of the seven deadly sins may still have been involved.'"

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  1. Re:Deadly sins? by bagboy · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think he is referring to - gluttony.

  2. Presumably one of the Vatican's new deadly sins by giafly · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Polluting of the environment, genetic modification, carrying out experiments on humans, causing social injustice, causing poverty, becoming obscenely wealthy and taking drugs all constitute mortal sins, according to Girotti.
    Vatican dusts down deadly sin list

    Actually at least six of these new seven deadly sins apply to the RIAA, starting with "polluting the environment".
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    1. Re:Presumably one of the Vatican's new deadly sins by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually at least six of these new seven deadly sins apply to the RIAA, starting with "polluting the environment".

      A little off topic, but why am I suddenly reminded of all those AOL CD's? :P

    2. Re:Presumably one of the Vatican's new deadly sins by davester666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Gah. It still is hypocrisy.

      From their argument, they are implying that consumers are only buying individual songs, but that they, the overly generous music labels are paying songwriters and musicians as if we bought the whole album.

      Revenue may be down, but payouts are down as well. The music industry hasn't been lowering the price of CD's OR lowing the price of individual songs on iTunes or Amazon. If anything, the majors 'profit margin' has increased, because they have significantly lower expenses AND get significantly higher revenue [as a percentage of the retail price] of digital downloads.

      This 'proposal' is just a straight money grab, plain and simple.

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  3. Payola? by Van+Cutter+Romney · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sounds like Payola all over. Maybe we'll get Eliot Spitzer to prosecute RIAA again ... Oh, wait!

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    1. Re:Payola? by Ctrl-Z · · Score: 3, Informative

      That was captured in "Oh, wait!"

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    2. Re:Payola? by ArhcAngel · · Score: 3, Funny

      Maybe we'll get Eliot Spitzer to prosecute RIAA again

      He's too busy working up his bid to run for president.

      Hey! It worked for Bill.

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  4. Re:Fourteen deadly sins by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hear me! Oh, Hear me! All pay heed! The Lord, the Lord Jehovah has given unto you these fifteen (crash)...Oy! ten-- ten commandments, for all to obey!

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  5. News? by Gat0r30y · · Score: 4, Funny

    Unscrupulous organization denies blatant hypocrisy. Details at 11.

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  6. At least it is legal by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Even if it isn't fair - at least it is legal. The RIAA sometimes has problems with that, too.

  7. Re:Fourteen deadly sins by fishbowl · · Score: 2, Insightful

    #1, genetic modification. We will jail all who grow roses and all who have fruit orchards?
    #2, human experimentation. What's wrong with medical research, psychological research, etc.?
    #3, #4, #5 need definition
    #6, punish success and all suffer
    #7, only the drugs you don't happen to like. Does everyone agree on which drugs are bad?

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  8. Re:Deadly sins? by plague3106 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I would think greed would be more fitting. Glutteny has to do with overconsuming food and drink.

  9. Re:Fourteen deadly sins by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Funny

    In that case everyone's going to hell! Well, that's the whole point, isn't it? No one is without sin, so everyone must ask for God's forgiveness. Vendor lock-in.

    I wonder if the alcohol that Christ made out of water counts as drugs or not? If not, I'd like to hear why alcohol is not a drug.
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  10. Re:Deadly sins? by m.ducharme · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Stupidity, alas, is too often a virtue, and not a sin.

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  11. Maybe now... by cjb658 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...that everyone knows what we already know, people like my mother who think most artists make millions from CD sales will get the picture: the RIAA doesn't care about artists' profit- just its own.

  12. Re:Fourteen deadly sins by nedwidek · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because it's legal and the government gets their cut?

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  13. Why the painfully inane comments today? by DarkSkiesAhead · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I came into this thread with 10 shiny new mod points hoping to find someone insightful, but found not a single comment in the entire thread worth promotion. What's happened to slashdot? A story on a hot subject, and I see nothing but off-topic trolls and insipid banter about deadly sins taken out of context from the description at the top of the page. Not a single comment on the actual article.

    Anyway, the RIAA's attempt to dodge the charge of hypocrisy is equally lame. First the new deal gives ridiculous profit to SoundExchange (30% of gross). And even though they do have a 'plan' to share with artists (an inequitable one, albeit), the lack of expediency is directly adding to the profit of the RIAA through this process. The artists are clearly an afterthought. The RIAA can't come close to hiding their real motivation: profit for its members at all costs, regardless of artists rights/needs.

    1. Re:Why the painfully inane comments today? by ohzero · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you outlaw copyrighted webcasting by making it cost prohibitive, only outlaws who don't care about cost prohibitive copyrighted webcasting will webcast.

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    2. Re:Why the painfully inane comments today? by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 5, Funny

      I see nothing but off-topic trolls and insipid banter about deadly sins taken out of context from the description at the top of the page. Not a single comment on the actual article.
      I hate to say this since you have a lower UID than I do but, You must be new here.
  14. Seven by esocid · · Score: 4, Funny
    1. Envy- of the artists and their fame.
    2. Greed- self explanatory.
    3. Gluttony- eating and boozing it up with all that cash from those royalties.
    4. Lust- for control and power over the music industry.
    5. Pride- in their "holier than thou" facade as guardians of truth and justice.
    6. Rage- hm, I guess that one is just reserved for everyone who hates the living hell out of the RIAA.
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    1. Re:Seven by Hillgiant · · Score: 5, Funny

      What? No Sloth? (you lazy bastard)

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  15. Re:Deadly sins? by GaratNW · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think slashdot needs a new positive (+1) rating.. Pedantic. Because.. here, it really is raised to an artform. :)

  16. Re:Fourteen deadly sins by mjwx · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Ayn Rand was a hack and a plagiarist.
    The whole idea of atlas shrugged was taken from the idea of using guilt as leverage in religion. Here's an oft quoted part changed to fit a religious context:

    There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power the Church has is the power to punish sinners. When there aren't enough sinners, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a sin that it becomes impossible for men to live without sin.
    . The whole idea is to make people think they are doing bad things in order to lay guilt on people. The Church also provides a convenient way to eliminate guilt in exchange for belief (not to mention nominal donations). The Church would happily consider alcohol a drug because then a few quiet drinks with friends becomes a horrible crime in the eyes of the priests, the thing is they don't want you to stop, they want you to keep "sinning" as it is the only thing that can keep you coming back to them for forgiveness.

    People wonder why some governments (as in the US govt) has such a close association to the church.
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