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Gibson Accuses Guitar Hero of Patent Violation

robipilot writes "Video game publisher Activision Inc. has asked a federal court to declare that its popular "Guitar Hero" game does not violate a patent held by real-guitar maker Gibson Guitar Corp. Gibson's 1999 patent covers a virtual-reality device that included a headset with speakers that simulated participating in a concert, according to a complaint filed on Tuesday by Santa Monica, Calif.-based Activision in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles."

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  1. Patenting games by CRCulver · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Couldn't the case be made that this concept is a game (who simulates participating in a concert for any reason other than entertainment?), and therefore multiple companies can realize the idea as long as they do not use terms and images from the first company?

    1. Re:Patenting games by cizoozic · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Couldn't the cases be made that:
      • Guitar Hero has been out for years, what were they just waiting to see if there was some money to be made from a suit?
      • The game is crammed full of Gibson everything, I mean the guitar store looks more like a Gibson Factory Store than a Guitar Center. I mean who knew what a Firebird VII even was before Guitar Hero? There can't be that many Johnny Winter fans out there.
      Sorry, I know these are common sense arguments, so they probably have no place in a patent discussion.
  2. Too bad Gibson didn't do anything with it by hcdejong · · Score: 5, Funny

    If they had published a game and associated hardware, we could have been hacking the Gibson by now...

    1. Re:Too bad Gibson didn't do anything with it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      More or Less Paul?

  3. Why did they wait this long? by jfbilodeau · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You gotta wonder. Why did Dibson wait this long to act on their patent? I mean, how long has Guitar Hero been around for anyways? ...I think I know the answer, and it pisses me off.

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    1. Re:Why did they wait this long? by iknownuttin · · Score: 5, Funny
      I mean, how long has Guitar Hero been around for anyways? ...I think I know the answer, and it pisses me off.

      Gibson is run by really old guys. One day, one of them was being visited at their retirement home, where they run Gibson guitars from, by one of their college age great-grandchildren. He said great grandpa! I've been playing this awesome game called Guitar Hero! Grandpa put two and two together. He's seen the ads with that top hatted guy during TV night and was glad that he was playing a Gibson guitar. He realized it was one of the new fangled computer juke box thingys and immediately called his lawyer in the next room.

      That's how it happened!

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  4. Took their time by Smidge204 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So I guess they just completely ignored Konami, who's had "Guitar Freaks" machines in arcades for nearly ten years at this point?

    Since both "Guitar Freaks" and Gibson's patent have been around since 1999, I wonder which came first. Does prior art still count if it's in another country?
    =Smidge=

    1. Re:Took their time by ohtani · · Score: 5, Interesting

      IANAL, but from my understanding, no it doesn't. Konami can continue to make drummania as is, for example, but apparently they cannot bring it to the US like they were hoping to do because MTV was awarded a patent for drumming games. MTV did have one in the arcade prior to Rock Band. But it just had no "game" feel to it from my understanding.

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  5. WHa? by mpathetiq · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You'd think that Gibson would have realized that Guitar Hero violates their patent back in 2004 or 2005 when they signed the endorsement deal for the original game.

  6. Re:We don't want it by Corporate+Drone · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Have you ever seen a case where a company wanted a license under a patent, but didn't need one?

    Yes... ask any of the companies who bought licenses from SCO...

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  7. Patent Holders are like Trolls... by Manip · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Patent holders are like the real world equivalent of Internet trolls. As soon as you get any kind of notoriety they randomly appear spouting their trash and trying to get attention.

    In this case they're a little less interested in attention and a little more interested in money but the concept is the same. The entire patent system, software or otherwise, is somewhat flawed since it lasts too long and holds back the marketplace which it was original created to help.

    They should change the system so you only get five-ish years of protection on research with an automatic extension by a further ten years if you release a product using that patent into the marketplace. This will stop these silly troll companies like IBM hoarding tons of patents with very few actual products.

  8. Re:Crucify me, baby by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's a link: the patent

  9. Re:Crucify me, baby by nguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Overly broad? Possibly, but sounds like it is applicable.

    "Overly broad" would not a problem, and this patent isn't "overly broad".

    The problem with the patent is obviousness.

    If this is allowed to stand, then for any human activity, people could patent doing that activity in virtual reality, and that's simply absurd.

    The whole point of virtual reality is that it lets you do real human activities, but permits you to get into situations that you couldn't get into in real life. That includes performing with a band as much as dating a super model.

  10. From the patent..."audio" signal. by ILuvSP · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From the patent...

    1. A system for electronically simulating participation by a user in a pre-recorded musical performance comprising:

    a. a musical instrument, the musical instrument generating an instrument audio signal at an instrument audio output, the instrument audio signal varying in response to operation of the instrument by the user of the system;
    The guitars from Guitar Hero do not produce "audio" signal at an "instrument audio output". They are not musical instruments. I think Gibson is reaching here!
  11. Re:Crucify me, baby by addie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From TFA:

    "'simulate participation in a concert by playing musical instrument and wearing a head-mounted 3-D display that includes stereo speakers.' The device described in the patent also includes playback of audio and video of a prerecorded concert and a separate track of audio from the user's instrument, according to the patent form."

    - Real musical instrument
    - Head mounted 3-D display
    - Prerecorded concert

    VS.

    - Plastic guitar
    - TV display
    - Animated characters

    Saying this patent applies to Guitar Hero is like saying that milk is the same as beer. You can drink them both, but the experience is completely different.

  12. Re:Crucify me, baby by addie · · Score: 4, Informative

    From the patent itself:

    12. The system of either claim 10 or claim 11 wherein the video display and the audio playback transducer are combined in a stereoscopic head set wearable by the user.

    14. The system of claim 13 wherein the audio portion of the pre-recorded musical performance comprises a separate instrument sound track and whereby the characteristic of the audio portion controlled by the source audio control circuit is a volume level of the instrument sound track played by the system.

    19. The system of claim 13 further comprising a headset wearable by the user, the headset having left and right audio speakers and a stereoscopic video display, the left and right speakers operably connected to left and right channels on the source audio output and to the controlled audio output, and the video display operably connected to the source video output.

    21. A system for allowing a player using a guitar to control simulated participation in a musical concert during synchronous playback of a pre-recorded concert video track, pre-recorded left and right concert sound tracks, and a separate pre-recorded guitar track, the system comprising:

    27. The method of claim 26 wherein the musical instrument is a guitar.

    I'm not sure which patent you were reading...

  13. We're in real trouble by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 5, Funny

    Before we know the next corporation patents "An imaginary environment for simulated participating in the act of making love".

    Guys we're in real trouble here. We're all guilty. The young ones are particularly vounrable to offending the patent multiple times a day. (We older guys envy the young ones for the favorable frequency. But I digress.)

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  14. Re:Crucify me, baby by Gr8Apes · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This looks like a classic poster boy for bad patents: the abstract indicates that Guitar Hero doesn't violate anything. First off, they explictly state musician. Guitar Hero players? Not hardly. Second, they state musical instrument. I don't think 4 buttons counts as an instrument. There are also no 3-D head gear, nor headphones involved.

    If you start reading the claims, the entire thing falls apart at every level. First off - there's no instrument, and certainly no audio signal generated by the Guitar Hero "guitar", which appears to be the crux of their patent. Then again, IANAIP/PL (IP/Patent Lawyer).

    I'm not even sure what exactly they're patenting here. There's no "System" that I can see, other than a very high level concept drawing and what looks like a basic high level distortion processor schematic. I was under the impression that "methods" like the abstract idea being described could not be patented.

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  15. Re:Crucify me, baby by steveo777 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The problem with this is that Guitar Hero hasn't even come close to their patent. The patent doesn't seem to be overly broad to me.

    Their patent shows that there is a VR headset attached to the player's head (though it does mention a VR 'environment'. I don't think that a TV counts). That would include the video aspect. I haven't read the whole patent, but the experience is quite the opposite of GH. Their patent covers wearing these goggles and playing from a First Person View, as explained in the second paragraph of the patent.

    Another problem is that the words "prerecorded video" are thrown around a LOT. All the game play video in GH is generated on the spot.

    I think the last problem is that the patent states that you would be playing a particular instrument (as opposed to an input device) so the GH guitar probably won't be covered as it doesn't produce any signals that can be representative of music.

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  16. Re:Crucify me, baby by skrolle2 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It still fails to cover Guitar Hero, because claim 1a says:

    a musical instrument, the musical instrument generating an instrument audio signal at an instrument audio output, That, and all the variants of it, consistently mention that the device you use for participation is something which itself produces audio, and that the entire system somehow intercepts this audio to change the experience. The Guitar Hero controller does not create audio output (other than irritating clicking noises :) ) and I think that that might be enough to claim that they are not violating the patent.