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Microsoft Developing News Sorting Based On Political Bias

wiredog writes "The Washington Post is reporting that Microsoft is developing a program that classifies news stories according to whether liberal or conservative bloggers are linking to them and also measures the 'emotional intensity' based on the frequency of keywords in the blog posts." If you would like to jump right to the tool you can check out "Blews" on the Microsoft site.

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  1. This just in... by Justabit · · Score: 5, Funny

    Microsoft is the best software maker in the world! ..and now to Jeff for the weather..

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  2. Perfect... by calebt3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because we all know that the most effective way to be informed is by only talking with and listening to people you already agree with. /sarcasm

    1. Re:Perfect... by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh come on, where's your engineer's curiosity? This isn't to actually use, it's just a cool technoloogy. Come on admit it, even microsoft can throw together some pretty neat stuff. Besides a lot of people like reading bloggers or watching news relevant to their ideology's interests. For example my parents can't stand CNN because of a percieved liberal bias, so they only watch FOX news. yeah they already agree with everything said but it's still a news source that reports current events and they'd rather get current events from a conservative spin.

    2. Re:Perfect... by Dice · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I would find it much more interesting to read the opposing viewpoint. I already know what mine is.

    3. Re:Perfect... by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I know what my viewpoint is. I also know what the opposing viewpoint is. Why would I read news from the opposing viewpoint when it just ticks me off?

    4. Re:Perfect... by mikael · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's interesting to read the local newspapers of the different parts of the world (LA Times, California, West Coast), (Toronto Star, Canada), (New York Times, New York, East Coast).

      The LA Times always seems to have these stories with a rich person/poor people theme (gentrification/regeneration of downtown creates homes for wealthy people, but displaces the Mexican community, another story is high school with swimming pool won't let local kids use it during summer holidays). The Toronto Star seems to have these stories where the local politicians are always present when some Hell's Angels den is being busted (even though it was already vacant for months). Scottish newspapers (Edinburgh News,Evening Express) alway seem to have stories about travellers blocking up road lay-bys, park-and-ride zones and city parks. English newspapers alway seem to have stories about people being arrested and jailed for tackling burglars, or anyone refusing to pay their council tax out of poverty gets thrown into jail, while the burglars get hours of commmunity service (Tabloids).

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    5. Re:Perfect... by CaptKilljoy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      >Because we all know that the most effective way to be informed is by only talking with and listening to people you already agree with. /sarcasm

      And yet you're here on Slashdot?

    6. Re:Perfect... by ElizabethGreene · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is the most interesting and !new! ideas I've seen out of Redmond in a long time. Sadly, that means it's probably an engineer's side project that got mentioned in a meeting and swiped....Or it was designed to keep track of the linux wackos*, and they changed it to watch politics to make it newsworthy.

      -ellie

      * (Myself included.)

    7. Re:Perfect... by Loke+the+Dog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe I'm misunderstanding this, but I don't see where it says this would only give you liberal opinions if you read the liberal-tagged news. On the contrary, it will give you what other liberals blog about, and that is probably more often than not things that they do not agree with.

      Besides, it does say it offers the option to see things "from the other side" by giving you the same story but with the oposite tag, and that could be very useful.

    8. Re:Perfect... by psychodelicacy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Please, please don't do that. Treat us as real people and react to what we're saying instead of the potential that we have breasts. Please?

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    9. Re:Perfect... by psychodelicacy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And this tool would allow you to do that, right? Seems like it could be very useful to those of us who want to know how the other side thinks - whatever that "other side" is. Of course, it would also handily package up the news for those who only want to hear from their own side, but at least it might get them reading more than one source. It's safe to stick to, say, Fox or CNN if you know that's what you like to hear, but if someone were to give you a list of other sites that would probably also suit your perspective it might encourage you to branch out a little more.

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    10. Re:Perfect... by garethw · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Have to disagree with you there.

      I understand what you're getting at - there's a tendency amonst liberals - as I am admittedly these days - to root for the underdog.

      I'd agree with you if you said anti-Israeli - but I have a problem with equating questioning Israel's policies with being anti-semitic. It smacks of rhetoric when Jewish folk who do so are branded, because anti-Semitic doesn't really make sense - as self-hating Jews.

      Ya know like... say... Einstein. Genuinely - shalom, gareth

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    11. Re:Perfect... by psychodelicacy · · Score: 2

      Okay, I walked into that one :) But seriously, when you make a comment and half the responses are about your gender rather than your ideas, it can be a bit wearing.

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    12. Re:Perfect... by superwiz · · Score: 3, Funny

      Some people with an opposing viewpoint might word it in a reasonable manner. That's probably why it ticks him off.
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    13. Re:Perfect... by glavenoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which is why the loony rants of Obama's pastor of choice for two decades is highly relevant... Of course! Why resort to ad-hominem when ad-hominem-by-proxy is more "orange" than "yellow"?
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    14. Re:Perfect... by moosesocks · · Score: 2, Informative

      Indeed. Local news has a frighteningly powerful impact upon local culture (at least for a certain.... and typically extremely vocal segment of the population).

      The ones that always surprise me, however, are the British tabloids. They're not quite (nearly( as bad as American tabloids, and are therefore taken quite seriously by some, which is troubling to say the least. The Sun, and The Scottish Daily Mail come to mind as being two such papers.

      Move a step up to papers like The Guardian and The Times, and journalistic standards still aren't quite up to what you'd expect from a top-tier news organization. (The Times, however, is probably the least tainted of Rupert Murdoch's properties, especially in recent years)

      Perhaps it's simply a reflection of my own views, but I have a bit more respect for papers like The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and The Washington Post, who do a somewhat better job covering global events, and tend to do considerably less cherrypicking with their stories.

      Oh, and of course, the BBC and NPR are both quite good, both being considerably less driven by ratings and sales than their commercial competitors.

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    15. Re:Perfect... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can't blame you for trying...

      What bothers me here is, your comment asking us to respect what you're saying got +5 insightful. ElizabethGreene's comment hasn't been modded at all. It's entirely possible that I'll get modded up for pointing this out, and she still won't get modded up.

      So, apparently, Slashdotters care that you're treated fairly, and that you have breasts, but they don't care what you have to say?

      I suppose it's also possible that comment wasn't particularly interesting -- or it wasn't to me, anyway -- but it still bothers me. I guess it's easier when most of us have ambiguous names.

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    16. Re:Perfect... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think it was Chris Rock who said it best:

      The whole country's got a fucked up mentality. We all got a gang mentality. Republicans are fucking idiots. Democrats are fucking idiots. Conservatives are idiots and liberals are idiots.

      Anyone who makes up their mind before they hear the issue is a fucking fool. Everybody, nah, nah, nah, everybody is so busy wanting to be down with a gang! I'm a conservative! I'm a liberal! I'm a conservative! It's bullshit!

      Be a fucking person. Listen. Let it swirl around your head. Then form your opinion.

      No normal decent person is one thing. OK!?! I got some shit I'm conservative about, I got some shit I'm liberal about. Crime - I'm conservative. Prostitution - I'm liberal.

      Keep in mind, this was a comedy show, and the delivery was actually pretty hilarious. But I think it applies.

      Sorting all news into one thing or another is just an extension of this mentality, and it is harmful. Would you tolerate it if they sorted it into Black News and White News? Or into News for Women, and News for Men? Put the gardening and housekeeping on News for Women, and the tech and business stuff on News for Men...

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    17. Re:Perfect... by superwiz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The various wings of the radio don't really equal an opinion, they equal a sensationalist lunatic fringe based on marketing. If I told a bunch of liberals to listen to Bill O'Reilly they would learn nothing of conservatism, but they would learn to HATE conservatives because he really is an asshat who represents no-one. I can say the same of telling conservatives to read the Nation, you learn no valid points of view, only group think.

      The odd fact is that it is the liberals who proclaim to speak in the name of reason and the conservatives that proclaim to speak in the name of religion-based morality. While the reality is that the best publication from which to get a conservative view point is Reason(tm) and the best publication from which to get a liberal view point is the New Testament. The "pundits" on both sides no longer discuss ideas. They both attack personalities.

      "Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people." -Eleanor Roosevelt

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    18. Re:Perfect... by hedwards · · Score: 2, Informative

      The ones that always surprise me, however, are the British tabloids. They're not quite (nearly( as bad as American tabloids, and are therefore taken quite seriously by some, which is troubling to say the least. The Sun, and The Scottish Daily Mail come to mind as being two such papers. Have you ever been to America? There are more than a few people here that do give our tabloids that level of attention and contemplation. Really it's an embarrassment.

      Probably the only tabloid I've ever read was the Weekly World News, and that one was sufficiently far from anything that resembled reality, that you'd have to be pretty screwed up to believe any of its articles to be factual. But it was a pretty good read and usually hilarious.

      OTOH, that explains all the lawsuits I've heard about recently targeting the Scottish Daily Mail.
    19. Re:Perfect... by utopianfiat · · Score: 3, Informative

      > The Sun

      Which, by the way, along with Fox News and the brand-new european front Sky News are all part of the Murdoch Empire.

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    20. Re:Perfect... by The+End+Of+Days · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The truth has a liberal bias.

      Only when the listener has a liberal bias.

      It's pithy little witticisms like these that initially made me suspicious of the "intelligent == liberal" paradigm. Intelligence doesn't rely on the appearance of being clever.

    21. Re:Perfect... by TapeCutter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I disagree strongly with Murdoch's world view but I give him credit for openly admitting he pushes that view through his papers. People who swallow the crap he dishes up are either like minded or only have themselves to blame. IMHO Google news is one of the best aggragator's, if reading two opposing papers from (say) Isreal and the Arab world you will notice a difference in factual reporting of an event. This doesn't mean either is lying, but each paper is definitely selective in the detail they report.

      As for blogs and editorials, well lets just say everone has an opinion.

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    22. Re:Perfect... by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sorting all news into one thing or another is just an extension of this mentality, and it is harmful. Would you tolerate it if they sorted it into Black News and White News? Or into News for Women, and News for Men? Put the gardening and housekeeping on News for Women, and the tech and business stuff on News for Men...

      And before long we'll have News for Nerds!

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    23. Re:Perfect... by symbolset · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Read Maslow. Part of the democratization of the Internet is that we permit on the troglodyte. Your gender is a part of your self. Every portion of your self must be defended or anonomized. That's part of the game. Deal with it or play on a different field.

      The best course is to ignore them. If you can't bring yourself to do that, being the naughty geek girl that despises them for their level of fail can be a satisfying substitute.

      /has three geek girls of his own. Tells them to have gender neutral ID's like his.

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    24. Re:Perfect... by rpillala · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Because sometimes, regardless of which side you favor, your side is lying about something.

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  3. Not exactly... by boarder8925 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    BLEWS also offers a "see the view from the other side" functionality, enabling a reader to compare different views on the same story from different sides of the political spectrum.
    In reality, most people will use this tool as a quick way to avoid articles they don't want to read. "Opposing/Differing viewpoint? Screw that, moving on!"
    1. Re:Not exactly... by sayfawa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, a lot of people will talk about the 'net as if it's this great thing that gets all kinds of different people together for dialogue and understanding, but in reality it just makes it easier for people with fucked up ideas and values to find each other and convince each other that they are right and everyone else is wrong. It just leads to even more polarization. This MS thing is just a symptom of that.

      And I don't try to pretend that I'm not affected by this phenomena either. The only forums I frequent are technocrat, gentoo otw and here. So it becomes too easy to believe that my views are mainstream and 100% correct. But sometimes I have a moment of clarity and realize that it is only because I'm mostly talking to people with the same views (except for those KDE fuckers) and that they are just reinforcing my predispositions. A good place to go for a reality check is one of those hardcore Christian forums, where the kind of people that we call nutcases hang out, and then realize that we are just as nutty to them as they are to us.

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  4. Manufacturing consent with Power Point by gnutoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This new project highlights the absurdity of our two party system and past media inadequacies. The whole world is reduced to two schools of thought "conservative" and "liberal" with an additional dimension for "emotion". This is perfect for the manufactured consent way of doing things where issues are displayed without depth and championed by more or less annoying, emotional "experts". Rational thought is completely cut off, because anything outside of the "mainstream" represented by the extremes is automatically smeared as the unworkable product of starry eyed idealists or terrorists. So, the complexity of the real world is eliminated and policy is made by those controlling the media. The correct opinion for the good little sheeple will be found right in the middle of the pretty, Vista style chart.

    No thanks, Microsoft, I'll keep reading blogs and thinking for myself. MSNBC never showed me where the good ones were and I doubt they will in the future. You can't run an honest search engine, so there's no way in hell I'll trust your company to tell me how to vote.

    1. Re:Manufacturing consent with Power Point by plover · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Actually, the whole world seems to have reduced us to one school of thought. Most non-US citizens seem to have a hard time telling our two parties apart. The common analogy I hear from British friends is that the Republicans are exactly like the Tories, and the Democrats are almost exactly like the Tories.

      And for as much as you don't like the two party system, voting in this country is pretty linear -- you get to choose exactly one candidate for each job, and all those jobs are tied to geographic regions only. Nobody's come up with a two-dimensional model of government, but I could imagine just how interesting that would be.

      The House of Representatives would have to be sliced up into issues, instead of geographic regions. You'd vote for dozens of different representatives: a Transportation candidate, a Ways and Means candidate, an Ethics candidate, a Defense candidate, and so on. That way you wouldn't have to worry if your Defense candidate was pro-life or pro-choice, because they'd never cast a vote on the subject. It'd force a complete change how bills get written: they'd have to be categorized, shopped around differently, it'd actually be quite refreshing.

      (Oh, God, now I'm refactoring Congress! Somebody help me get Martin Fowler out of my head!!!)

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    2. Re:Manufacturing consent with Power Point by Plugh · · Score: 3, Informative

      Hear, hear to the parent. "Conservative" and "Liberal" have come more and more to mean two sides of the same Remocrat/Depublican coin.
      They're both wealth-destroying Socialists. They're both warmongering Fascists.

      And leave it to Microsoft to place a flawed concept at the very center of the design. "Click the Red Elephant of you listen to Rush, or the Blue Donkey if you listen to Air America"

      Yes... just one more reason I'm an anarcocapitalist.
    3. Re:Manufacturing consent with Power Point by Haeleth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They're both wealth-destroying Socialists.
      Um... what? Neither the Republican party nor the Democratic party is remotely socialist, by any conceivable stretch of the imagination.

      Come back when you can cite a speech in which any mainstream Republican or Democratic politician has advocated federal ownership of industry, and then we can talk about them being socialist.
    4. Re:Manufacturing consent with Power Point by Plugh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Mandatory insurance. Government-backed drug prescription programs. State-run schools. There, 3 off the top of my head.

    5. Re:Manufacturing consent with Power Point by volkris · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're living in a different world, picking and choosing among facts to support your foregone conclusions. Hopefully someday someone will catch you off guard and some legitimate information will get through. Maybe it will even change your mind.

      Cuba's a fine example: the state of Cuban health care isn't nearly as simple and wonderful as you assert, though by picking and choosing through facts it's easy to see how you could be mislead into thinking that. After all, it's easy for governments to set up their systems to be so misleading.

      But anyway, I'm not seeking to lay it out for you, as I know it's a fool's errand: you're deep enough into denial of reality that I wouldn't be able to reel you back in even if I cared to try. At the least it'd be nice if you kept it to yourself, though.

    6. Re:Manufacturing consent with Power Point by Plugh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Socialism is flat-out better than capitalism when it comes to certain areas of the economy, most notably health care, and that's just a fact you're going to have to deal with.
      ... at the point of a gun, 'cause that's how Socialism operates.

  5. exactly... by gnutoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is reinforcing old patterns by selective presentation of opinions, just like traditional media. Such simplification looks stale when you look around for yourself because no real issue can be pie charted so easily. Trying to stuff every issue into a single page with three columns and an emotion depth is almost as dumb as trying to wrap the world up into a 15 minute CNN loop. It can only give an illusion of knowing something to the most ignorant and opinionated of people.

  6. I can't be the only one tagging as "blows" by StonedYoda47 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Come on, that's just too obvious a joke for /.

  7. Re:How about something useful.... by calebt3 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Like emacs vs. vim?

  8. Oh come on. by gnutoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a substitute for analysis like a big mac is a substitute for food. The world is far more intersting than a three column spreadsheet and there are always more than two ways to look at any issue. Trusting Microsoft's choice of events and opinions is a sure way to remain ignorant and be guided like sheep to the traditional media slaughter.

    Google does a much better job by scraping titles and sentences coherently. Especially important is their people involved feedback. Trying to force all of that into "Democrat" and "Republican" is worse than useless, it's misleading and that's why Google never did it.

    1. Re:Oh come on. by martin-boundary · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't knock the Big Mac. The Economist has been leveraging it for years as an economic oracle, and everybody tries to be on their front cover, even Britney Spears. So who are you to contradict them?

    2. Re:Oh come on. by aldousd666 · · Score: 5, Informative

      You're not trusting microsoft's anything. The people who write this code are experts in their respective fields, who so happen to be on a microsoft payroll. Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer didn't get together over a lunch and write a list of what they decree to be republican or democrat. The shareholders don't vote on what should be included in which column. This is not representative of microsoft, just paid for and owned by microsoft. True making them red or blue might be a silly squeeze, but the fact is that the readers will identify with that sort of sentiment. Look at the Red State/Blue State maps that everyone makes and looks at on TV. Anyway, it's just an experimental thingy, like any other. Deserves the same respect any other experiment does, even if you don't go try to formulate a business model based on its findings.

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    3. Re:Oh come on. by moosesocks · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're missing the point. I don't think this was ever intended to be a serious tool for political discourse, but rather an interesting exercise in applying some of the technologies being developed by Microsoft's research lab.

      It's a cool technology demo, and perhaps does a nice job of gathering and visualizing a two-dimensional dataset. This was most likely thrown together in a few afternoons as a result of a conversation held over lunch one day that began with "Wouldn't it be neat if we...."

      Similarly, OpenGL wasn't designed to display teapots, although they're quite frequently used to demonstrate its features.

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  9. there's no end of interesting US opinions by gnutoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    but you won't find those opinions reflected in broadcast news. Try fitting this or this into the "just like the tories" box. Want to bet neither of those two bloggers ever show up in blews? Blews, like broadcast media before it, represents nothing but the will of it's corporate masters. Readers are spoon fed shallow "stories" and false choices that drive public policy in favor of those pulling the strings.

  10. I could be wrong but... by The+Mighty+Buzzard · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Doesn't NBC already have a patent on this?

    Seriously though, every news outlet in the world has been doing this since before Gutenberg was born. Even Microsoft's idea to tailor it to each user dynamically isn't new. That's been done towards anyone who could have you executed since pre-historic days. Didn't they just rule that making an old idea available over the Internet was not sufficient to receive a patent?

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  11. False Positive by ShawnCplus · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can guarantee there are going to be some false positives in links to blogs about people loving bush

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  12. Great by Locklin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Great, software that will make people more close minded, less informed, and just generally less intelligent. Oh wait, did you say it came from Microsoft?

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  13. And the others say it sucks.... by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now this exactly the sort of bias that this thing finds: republic vs democratic, yin vs yang, sucks vs blows.

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  14. Arbitrary divisions or trust metrics? by sowth · · Score: 2, Informative

    It doesn't seem very new or interesting to me. But then I don't think politics really fit into the "liberal"/"conservative" thing.

    I thought something like The Circle[1] would work much better for something like this. It's postings were sorted by a trust based system, so the more you trusted someone, the closer to the top their posts would appear, and you could rate each post as well. Supposedly Advogato's site uses it to, but there membership is closed, so I haven't seen it in action. Their Trust Metric system is described at www.advogato.org/trust-metric.html. Though it seems to be more centralized than the Cicle's system was.

    Though I suppose it would require too much processing for a centralized web server with a large userbase to handle.

    [1] I don't know what happened to the Circle project--I think their site was thecircle.org.au

  15. There are more than two categories! by Metasquares · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sorting news as "liberal" or "conservative"... because there isn't already enough false dichotomization of people's views in modern politics. As long as this keeps up, we're ideologically locking ourselves into a two-party system.

  16. new technology by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 2, Funny

    In other news, the democrats, with the inventor of the Internet, developed a system that automatically makes any republican text display in white on a white background, so that it is impossible to read.

    Let's test this software:

    In a meeting today, Bush said, "




    ."

    See, the system is working.

  17. Thanks, but no thanks by Whuffo · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I thought about this for a few minutes but couldn't come up with any possible reason why I'd want to have Microsoft "filter" my news for me.

    I'd be more interested in what they filtered out...

  18. I guess this means... by dwarfsoft · · Score: 2, Funny

    I guess this means that we can expect some form of "Blews" Screen of Death

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  19. Re:They took the money by symbolset · · Score: 2, Funny

    Replyiing twice to the same post is bad form but I feel I must.

    Once I was employed at a major chip vendor's technology development lab that was being downsized. A coworker suggested I might find work at Microsoft.

    My reply: My local septic tank cleaning company has openings too. I will try them first. At least it's honest work.

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  20. On the Internet, no one knows you're a blog by NetSettler · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm reminded of the New Yorker cartoon "On the Internet, no one knows you're a dog."

    This program apparently scans the blogosphere... but I wonder what that is. Is that the web? If I just have a page that expresses an opinion, is it counted as a blog, or do I have to register it somewhere as a blog? Is an RSS feed required at a site, or on the page, to be a blog? Does the word blog have to appear in the header or are "essays" counted? And if I have more than one domain name, how is that counted? Does the text have to be different in two cases in order to be counted as two opinions? How does one distinguish two distinct people who merely word things like an advocacy group told them from one person who owns two (or fifty or a thousand) sites and puts the same text on all of them? Is the site careful to understand the difference between quotation and inclusion for critique? How much are they investing in tools that allow people to detect and correct misclassification or is this "all in good fun" and "for entertainment only"?

    Perhaps the answers to these are documented, but that almost doesn't matter. The point is that however they're answered, the answer is arbitrarily chosen and are not The Truth no matter how they are chosen.

    In the olden days, everyone had an opinion on things, but the opinions were distributed, and people were forced to engage each other interactively in order to discover other opinions. They might agree or disagree, but it was the conversation that caused them to grow and learn. In the new world, we can count how many total opinions there are, and avoid ever talking to someone who disagrees. This takes the dialog and growth part out of the equation. At that point, what difference does it make how many people agree or disagree, since we'll just be measuring the efficiency of the cloning process, not the validity of ideas.

    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." --Mark Twain

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  21. OK, but... by Max+Threshold · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How do they classify the bloggers as "liberal" or "conservative"? Self-identification? And is the data even meaningful with such a simple dichotomy? What about radical Jeffersonians? Anarcho-socialists? People who still vote for Nader?