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The REAL Reason We Use Linux

Vlad Dolezal writes "We tell people we use Linux because it's secure. Or because it's free, because it's customizable, because it has excellent community support... But all of that is just marketing BS. We tell that to non-Linux users because they wouldn't understand the REAL reason." The answer to his question probably won't surprise you.

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  1. We use it because... by budword · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We use it because it's ours.

    David

  2. And this is why Linux is still laughed at... by Port1080 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...in many circles, anyway. I have no desire to tinker. I want it to "just work". I tried using Linux multiple times from when I downloaded my first copy of Red Hat in 1999 or so, through some attempts with Mandrake and SuSe. None of them "just worked" - driver support was missing, programs didn't work as expected (or work at all), etc, etc. So I stuck with Windows. Finally, Ubuntu came about and I saw that someone was taking seriously the notion that people wanted things to "just work" (I would say that Red Hat and SuSe didn't take that notion seriously until recently - they were making OS's for business use, after all, so a trained IT tech would be setting things up and maintaining them - they didn't have to "just work" for your average user, because someone else would be taking care of most of the tough stuff). Even so, the early versions of Ubuntu weren't the best (and there are still many problems with wireless support - ndiswrapper is a poor substitute for a native driver, sad to say). The 6.x series was almost there, and finally I feel like the 7.x series is something I can actually use full time (and indeed I am - I built a new system last November and for the first time didn't bother to install Windows on it). I didn't install Ubuntu because it was fun to tinker. I installed it because it was free, easy to use, and not crippled by DRM. That's it, plain and simple.

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    1. Re:And this is why Linux is still laughed at... by armanox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not the distribution's fault that the manufacturer won't make Linux drivers.

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    2. Re:And this is why Linux is still laughed at... by wellingj · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In Synaptic Package Manager there is a 'Search' Option.
      It doesn't get much easier than that, unless you want the computer to read your mind.

  3. I do not know about the rest of you l33t people by zappepcs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    but I use Linux because I don't want to pay MS for anything. ever. again.

    Sure, I pay donations to those software projects that I use, but it's affordable, and upgrades are free of DRM, spyware, and other nasties that I don't want to have to pay for. For me and my family, Linux works just as good if not better than MS products. That is why we use Linux.

    Fun? The Internet is fun no matter what OS is on the machine you are using. Paying to use a program seems rather ignorant at the prices MS charges. On Linux I never get a genuine advantage check BS window. Thats fun.

    1. Re:I do not know about the rest of you l33t people by zappepcs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I did not say I want to steal MS stuff, or pay nothing. What I said was I don't want to pay MS prices for DRM and spyware infected software that is no better than freely available software. No, I do not push the limits of what software can do for the most part, so on the edges of functionality of F/OSS software where others find problems, I generally never get there, and almost never see any functionality issues. You should note that the vast majority of MS users never hit the bleeding edge of functionality of those products either. I still see powerpoint files attached to emails that have fewer than 25 words on them. No point in embedding data in the email like MS allows, or linking to the conference data... no, just put it all in a huge-ass ppt file and let everyone open that.. because sure, EVERYONE is using powerpoint, right?

      I do not hate MS's guts. I hate their business practices of embrace and extinguish, of lock-in, of forced upgrades, of slack security updates, of ... well, the point is that having to pay for that kind of service just seems FUCKING STUPID. If I have to suffer some problems along the way, I'd rather use some software that is just as good and costs me way less. All the contributions I make are IMO worth what I paid. That is to say that I donate based on the value to me of the product rather than some arbitrary value based on the MS yacht fund requirements. - that might have been harsh, but it's not too far off. No matter how you compare them F/OSS software stacks up nicely against anything else when value/cost is a heavily weighting factor.

  4. It does what it needs to do by GreatDrok · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't know about all this fun stuff. I use Linux because it does the job I need it to. More to the point though, when something goes wrong it is pretty simple to track it down and fix it. Heck, I have repaired systems that have become seriously mangled where with Windows you wouldn't have much choice but to start over.

    I switched to Linux from UNIX (Irix at that time) and did so because that is the environment I need for my work. These days I use OS X for much the same reason. Whatever MS does to Windows, it is still a very closed system. If closed floats your boat, fine, but don't try and say that closed gets you a more reliable and cost effective system.

    Actually, UNIX is fun I guess ;-)

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  5. 'All powerful' root? by IBBoard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ever tried stopping a process in Windows and the OS wouldn't let you?

    Yes, and I've also had Linux do the same thing. It didn't give an error, but no matter how many times I "kill -9"ed it the process never paid attention to the command and carried on churning away. I guess that's the process rather than the OS, but it's still not always "all-powerful root".

    I think a more accurate list (from my view at least) is:

    1. Linux gives you complete control
    2. Linux is free (as-in-speech)
    3. Software install is easy
    4. It has less potential problems with web dev for a Linux server
    5. No DRM! You own the hardware, you own the software, you own the data.

    Oh, and the penguin is more cuddly than some flag or some annoying animated critter ;)
  6. Re:It would be good... by bondsbw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For those of us too lazy to even click on the link, the reason is "Because it is fun."

    It really makes sense. Don't get me wrong, having the freedom to tinker with the kernel is nice. Having the ability to see the source code to ensure safety is great. But the majority of users don't actually use Linux (or any computer OS) for those purposes... they aren't a means to an end.

    I personally use Linux third to Mac OS X (at home), which is second to Windows (at work). I like understanding the different systems, because that's how I can keep up with the extreme pace of the software development industry. But I almost never use Windows at home, and here's why: competition.

    I want Microsoft to feel the pressure of competition. They have been feeling it for the past couple of years. And what do you know, it works! Firefox has caused the IE team to push towards open standards compliance. Love or hate OOXML, it's easier to work with than older formats (due to pressure from OOo and iWork). And there are many reasons to hate Vista, but it is more secure than older versions of Windows, it has much more advanced compositing, and a host of new things that are good for the future, even if they hurt now.

    So, I care more about the future of the computing world... the future of my career, a future of openness by major corporations that enables someone little like me to start and run a business. And I'm doing my part to make sure that happens.

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  7. Why I use linux: by grasshoppa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I use linux because, in certain instances, it's the right tool for the job. I'm busy. I don't have time to play around tinkering anymore ( and yes, I do have grey hair, thank you very much ). So when I want something that'll "just work", I analyse all the tools at my disposal, and choose one based on merits.

    Quite often that's linux. Sometimes that's windows. But regardless of the choice, the end result is hopefully the same: A system that just works without me needing to constantly hold it's hand.

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  8. Well there's a reason I can take to my boss by syousef · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Boss: Why should we switch to Linux?
    Me: Because it's fun!
    Boss: Thanks for your input. You can go now.
    Boss (to the secretary): Please get me HR on the line. I think we're over-paying some staff.

    This is possibly the lamest story I've ever seen on slashdot. The article then lists THREE other reasons - plural with an 's' - (not one) why the author uses Linux. By 'we' I think he's referring to himself, his blow up sex doll and his imaginary friends.

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  9. Because it's fun indeed by websitebroke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One of my favorite things about Free software in general is that the programmers and the people who write the documentation don't feel like they have to keep this "professional" face on their work.

    For example, you'll never find George W. Bush's face for the "unsharp filter" icon (Cinelerra) in a closed source program. That would indicate that the programmers were having fun, and that obviously makes the program of lower quality.

    Personally, I think that if the developers are having fun, and are in a positive frame of mind, they'll make better software.

  10. Re:It would be good... by x_MeRLiN_x · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In a lot of people's experience (including mine), it's reality. Linux does have it's professional uses, but using it as a workstation is not viable for most people. Most people who pass on the opportunity to use Microsoft's software usually have an irrational hate for Microsoft itself and put that above what would be the best tool for the job.

    Maybe Microsoft does use stooges to spread their marketing online, but I doubt they'd bother to do it on Slashdot (it's a lost cause), and even if they did, so what? You have no evidence, so stop throwing around accusations because someone has a difference of opinion.

  11. The only thing is... by einhverfr · · Score: 4, Insightful
    There is more to "it isn't widely used" than is generally pointed out. This isn't just a matter of elitism, but the fact that if you want something to be good at certain things, it will be less good at others. Linux is great for a lot of things because it doesn't fall to the lowest common denominator. If it did, we would need to use a distro that didn't, that was more specialized for what we need it to do.


    Imagine Linux with all the tools which say "you should never have to use the command line." Such a distro would be pretty bad for most of us who currently use Linux because a command-line is fundamentally superior to a GUI for a lot of tasks we use it for. I always have at least three terminal windows open in addition to any GUI apps.


    Similarly, I find that OS X (which is almost but not entirely unlike BSD) has a number of shortcomigns that make Linux and BSD better choices for me. My sister uses OSX however because it matches what she needs.

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  12. Re:It would be good... by AGMW · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I am not saying XP is simple but at least it has ease of use on its side.

    Hmmmm. Not sure I agree with you there. I'd agree it has familiarity on it's side, but it is a myth that Windows is somehow inherently easier to use!

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  13. Re:It would be good... by Almahtar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I not only have a real job but own a company, and I use Linux on the desktop because it saves me time and money. I don't have to have a seperate protocol for sharing files and remote desktop. I can drag a remote file onto an editor and save from the editor, and it'll save the remote copy. I have N desktops to spread my work over, and I'm a very visual person: I need that space.

    My experience with windows is that it constantly needs attention, and I don't want to waste my time on that. The only reason Windows would be lower maintenance is Windows-only 3rd party applications, and for a software firm I don't need those. Any time someone thinks they need .NET work done within two questions I have it boiled down to "someone told me it had to be done in .NET and I believed them."

  14. Re:It would be good... by HockeyPuck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Having the ability to see the source code to ensure safety is great. I don't agree with this. I would bet that very few users go through ANY source code at all. Editing .conf files or running 'make xconfig' not constitute 'going through the source code'. And those that do, probably wouldn't be able to know what's going on.

    Let's say you're running a webserver (apache) which connects to a postgre database. Do you check all the code in apache+mods? filesystems? DNS? NIS? FibreChannel drivers?

    How is trusting Redhat/Debian/Suse to make sure their distribution is safe any different from trusting AIX or HPUX? I don't want to have to be the one at my company that audit's 1m lines of linux code to 'make sure it's safe' we just trust our distribution.

  15. Re:It would be good... by JoshJ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The idea is not that you check every single line of code ran by your company. The idea is that SOMEONE does. There's plenty of people reviewing the Linux kernel. There's plenty of people reviewing X. There's plenty reviewing GNOME (or KDE). There's plenty of people reviewing Apache, Postgres, etc. So you hire someone to write some webapp, that's the only code you *have* to review- because all the other stuff is reviewed by someone. But if it's entirely closed, you would have to trust the company. This is the case with Microsoft. They can do whatever they want because nobody can review it.

  16. Re:It would be good... by ozmanjusri · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The problem with your stance is your emotionally charged world view concerning something that is intrinsically neutral

    A service provider who consistently provides poor service, overcharges, commits fraud, and lies about competitors is not intrinsically neutral.

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  17. Re:It would be good... by Kent+Recal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, I only came in to clear up your misconception about DOS being anything like a unix shell.
    Not to draw you over to linux or anything.

    The whole hardware-support story is an old hat. It basically boils down to: If you want to use linux
    then buy hardware that's supported by linux. Which, for the majority of peripherals, is not hard anymore.
    Google for "$name_of_my_gadget linux" in advance and in 90% of cases you'll learn that it runs without
    problems.

    Furthermore it's also an old hat that the driver-situation in windows is not flawless either.
    Yes, you get a pretty GUI, but if the pretty installer fails then you're SOL.
    Even if you wanted to tinker - there is no ndiswrapper to try, no kernel options to tweak
    and usually no alternative source for drivers either. If your old $whatever is not supported
    in vista - tough luck. Not even an uber-user can help you there.

    So, finally, to each it's own. You prefer the GUI, so stick with what you like.
    But don't label yourself as the prototype of an "end-user". I know quite a few "end-users",
    especially of the technically clueless type, who have quite happily switched to linux
    recently. If really all you want to do is browse the web and do a bit of office work (without
    touching a command line) then an ubuntu box can serve you well and in fact *save* you quite
    a bit of trouble with regard to "tweaking the personal firewall", re-installing after trojan infections,
    re-installing after a windows update screwed up your drivers or re-installing after your office
    began to behave wierd for no obvious reason.