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Gen Y Workers Reinventing IT for the Better

buzzardsbay writes "We all know the complaints about young employees. They depend too much on their parents' money, they need constant hand-holding, they have no job loyalty, they demand more than they're worth, they disrespect older employees, and they're naive about corporate culture. But despite this conventional wisdom, there's growing evidence that the different working styles of Gen Y workers might be causing fundamental — and beneficial — changes in the way enterprises run, especially when it comes to IT. For example, they may show better judgment when making tech purchases and are often better with green IT initiatives. This is a nice counterpoint to a previous story (and resulting incendiary comments) that dubbed young tech workers a risk to corporate networks."

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  1. Job Loyalty? How about orker loyalty? by mr_mischief · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is it any wonder, with tens of thousands of layoffs every couple of years, why workers don't feel a strict loyalty to the companies that employ them? If the company isn't willing to maintain their educated, trained, experienced workforce through a minor downturn, then they should expect the employees to look for better opportunities.

    1. Re:Job Loyalty? How about orker loyalty? by morari · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Agreed. Only the foolish feel loyalty toward their employers. Not only is it due to the lack of mutual respect (whereas you are simply a number in a sales book, not a person), but also ties into Generation Y "demanding more than they're worth". This is simply not true, and an especially laughable concept when you have lazy, ignorant executives making more in a month than most actual workers make all year. You do all of the work while some higher up makes the money--why should anyone feel loyal toward that? You'd have to be pretty naive to like being exploited.

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    2. Re:Job Loyalty? How about orker loyalty? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "So don't tell me that I don't deserve it. "

      Bullshit wage is a matter of population size and how much that populationt will bear, wage vs skill has been decoupled for a long time. Imagine being as skilled as you are in a small population, your wage wouldn't be shit, yes you ARE exploiting people give it up. I mean no offense what-so-ever but there are generally two strategies to get rich (with a bit of back and forth):

      -take a lot from a few
      -Take a little bit from everybody

      It's how massive corporations are able to pay insane wages to their employee's, simply by having an economy of scale and being in a strategic position in the market where demand and profit is not grossly out of line.
      If I'm a CEO there's fundamental limits on my time, there's no way anyone deserves $250 fucking million dollars, I don't care who you are. Once you're making over a few hundred grand a year you're treading on very thing ice.

    3. Re:Job Loyalty? How about orker loyalty? by pla · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If I am directly responsible for procuring 100% of the business, and you are responsible for creating a product that retains that business, then I trump you anyday.

      Following your hypothetical - Without me, you have no product to sell. Without you, I still have the product, just not an efficient way to get it to market.

      The combination benefits us both, but don't get all uppity that you "make" the company. Put bluntly, I can do your job (admittedly not as well as you). You can't do my job at all. If I make half as many sales without you, I make the same, and you starve in the gutter.


      This is what people don't understand: sales *is* hard. If it were easier, you'd get paid more.

      Selling refridgerators to Esquimos takes work. Selling gasoline to an SUV owner takes nothing more than physical presence.

      Most products fall between those two, but if you believe "sales" really takes hard work, you most likely don't really care about serving your customers' needs, just closing the sale - Which means I would neither work for/with you nor buy from you.

    4. Re:Job Loyalty? How about orker loyalty? by t0rkm3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Give respect, receive respect is a lazy thinker's mantra to excuse bad behavior. I give respect whether or not it is deserved, and believe it or not it leaves me a superior position.

      Employee loyalty is highly conditional. Depends on where you work.

      Starting out with a negative attitude is likely to have you treated negatively. A self-fulfilling prophecy initiated by your behavior.

      On to the Article:

      1.Tech Savvy Purchasing.

      Maybe, but from the way the article was phrased it seems like they will be easier to marks for the advertising drones. So far, it seems this is true. Our interns are far more likely to ask if there is a product for a given task, rather than ask if a tool already possessed is adequate for our needs. (Obviously anecdotal.)

      Also IT GenY people seem more likely to see IT as a stepping stone to an easy management position. Good self-serving business acumen, but poor analysis of the market.

      2.Changing Job Roles and Responsibilities
      "Everybody in my generation wants to be a leader," says Healy. "There are 22 year-olds who already say they want a leadership position, and they're ready for that. I think it's a pretty cool thing."

      This is particularly troubling. I find this as I work with elite and aspiring athletes. Most of them think that they are far better than they are. This stunts their ability to work and grow. They are less likely to stick around and pay dues. This behavior extends into the workplace. GenY'rs seem to have a compulsion to speak when they should be listening.

      This could be good if you think a bunch of self-serving ladder climbing egomaniacal syncophants is good.

      3.Greening Up the Data Center

      Yep. Already seeing this as well. Some of it is valid but a lot of the proposed projects are over-hyped and poorly researched. Some poor schmoe has nearly been sacked because his overzealousness in pushing virtualization where it need not be.

      This reaches back to my previous statement about GenY's propensity to buy into marketing.

      4. Ending Consumer vs. Enterprise

      Ummm... No. The technology for enforcing this delineation is becoming more mature and feasible. This will enable us (Global Security Wonks) to keep the line clearly demarked through such things as temporal workspaces carried around on flash drives. You can carry your work environment with you, but that environment will be hardened to protect our assets, not yours.

      A wide distribution of technology does allow some bleed-over but it won't expand as much as this author seems to believe. Also GenY will probably get savvy to the idea that publishing your life online opens it to scrutiny, which is not necessarily a good thing.

      5.Bridging the Gap Between Business and IT

      Hrmmm... Possibly true, but again I think this is a marketing issue. I think the GenY management types will be easier to sell to. Good for IT, but not necessarily good for the business.

      As for the panoramic vision statement... I think that is a result of the current work environment. Businesses are more demanding. They want someone who can anticipate the next step in the business model rather than someone who presses a button when the light turns red. GenY will benefit from this, but this attribute is hardly unique to them.

      Mostly, it's more of the same. Some new ideas will stick, some will stink.

  2. Company Loyalty is a myth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Company loyalty does not exist with respect to a company's 'loyalty' to an employee.

    As an employee, my loyalty extends only to the next paycheck, and no further.

    Want to assure my loyalty, treat me like a person, not a 'resource'.

    Give me what I need to do my Job, and listen to how I could possibly do my job better.

    Give me training, don't let the value of my skills decline.

    Give me a mentor, don't just sit me at a cube and expect to learn EVERYTHING myself.

    Many companies think they can just bully young employees into working long hours, for crappy pay, nope, not me. But then again, I'm in engineering, and NOT IT, so it's a bit different.

  3. I bet I know which generation the author is from.. by ivan256 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The summary has three pretty common statements in it:

    they have no job loyalty, they demand more than they're worth, they disrespect older employees, Let's take them on individually, shall we? I think I can, since I think they all apply to me in one way or another...

    No job loyalty? Well, my employer will ditch me whenever it's convenient for them, so why shouldn't I treat them the same? My older co-workers do the same. This is a fact of the modern workplace and is generation neutral.

    Demand more than we're worth? Ok... Well if I have a job offer for 20% more elsewhere, I'm worth 20% more... It's not my problem that you have "no budget for raises" three consecutive years. My value increased over those years even if your shitty business model didn't. Now if you want to tell me that I demand more than I'm worth to you, then we'll talk... Or if you want to revisit the loyalty issue, maybe I'll be willing to cut you some salary slack... Either way, I also don't think this is a generational issue since many of my older co-workers are significantly overpaid for their contribution level without even needing to ask. This leads into the third point.

    No respect for older co-workers? Well I'll cop to this in a conditional fashion. I have tremendous respect for some of my older co-workers. The ones that pull their weight, keep up with required knowledge, and appreciate the value of a more junior contributor than themselves. The ones that a right all the time because of what their resume says, and not due to any critical thinking, and who contribute zero to an effort beyond their experience can go suck a nut. I can put an older co-worker into one of these buckets within a few technical conversations. If somebody disagrees with me on a technical issue and tells me why with a reasoned explanation, they go in the "earned my respect, and a mental note to learn as much from them as possible". If the same situation arises and the more senior co-worker explains that their right by quoting their resume to me they go in the "probably full of shit 90% of the time" bucket.
  4. Re:Riddled with stereotypes by thanatos_x · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're a bit off on your generations, or rather those in the workforce. Even if all they needed was a HS diploma, they'd still need to be born in 1989. If they did have access to a computer at a young age, it had a floppy; USB didn't become popular until at least 98, and wasn't common until 2002 or so. I also bet they didn't get broadband until 2000+.

    The point still remains that my brother has a far different experience with computers than I did, being younger. He's almost always had the internet and doesn't know the pain of a router with a 56k modem. All the same I know how to use a computer much better than he does, even when i was his age. He shows little to no interest in them, and that might make a certain age group have a sweet spot - They grew up comfortable with technological change (not any particular one, but fundamentally), but were still young enough to know a few of the inner workings of computers, back when you had to fool around for an hour or so to get a game to install or a driver to work, back when everything had different ports, and plugging something in meant rebooting, installing, rebooting... when it was cheaper to build your own computer, or when if something went wrong you couldn't just scrap the computer.

    Some aspects of computing might be lost to those not computer science majors because we've done such a good job, just like much of our generation as a whole doesn't have a clue how to do carpentry, fix a car, or do basic home repair - these things are supposed to work, and when they don't you call someone else in to fix them.

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  5. Re:Riddled with stereotypes by Prof.Phreak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've noticed that the `new' (eh!) generation is a bit shallow in their skills or curiosity. Most can quickly pickup front end things, but for most `hard' stuff, they expect an existing library to be present.

    Hypothetical example: most new developers can quickly setup a streaming video from their website, but have little or no idea how TCP/IP nor video decoding actually works. Yes, I know it's sort of a pointless thing to know when you don't "need" to know it, just saying that the previous generation seemed to have been a bit more curious about things, even if they didn't "need" to know them.

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  6. Don't try to pretend that execs aren't overpaid. by danaris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First of all, you certainly seem to be in the minority, judging from the figures I've seen over the past few years.

    Second of all, I have to ask what you consider your "fair share", because if it's more than 300x what I made that year, I can tell you for certain it's not "fair".

    Third, unless you're running a very small company (which is, of course, entirely possible), you are not personally responsible for procuring 100% of the business.

    Now, don't get me wrong: unlike many slashdotters, I believe that someone with really good management skills can make a *huge* difference to a company or whatever fraction thereof he is given charge of. But you can't pretend that executive compensation in America, in general, is anything short of insane right now. Executives get brought in, proceed to take the company boldly into completely the wrong direction, lose it billions of dollars, and are sent packing with a "golden parachute" worth more money than my gross income combined over my entire lifespan.

    You may very well be different. And, in all honesty, that might be the exception, and not the rule: I haven't done exhaustive research to come up with statistics on it. But I do know that the average executive salary is more than the average worker's salary by a greater percentage than (I believe) it ever has been in the past—including during the Gilded Age before there were any labour laws.

    Don't even try to claim that this is the way it should be.

    Dan Aris

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