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DirectX Architect — Consoles as We Know Them Are Gone

ThinSkin writes "DirectX architect Alex St. John swims against the current and predicts the demise not of PC gaming, but of game consoles, in an exclusive two-part interview at ExtremeTech. In part one, Alex blasts Intel for pushing its inferior onboard graphics technology to OEMs, insists that fighting piracy is the main reason for the existence of gaming consoles, and explains how the convergence of the GPU and the CPU is the next big thing in gaming. Alex continues in part two with more thoughts on retail and 3D games, and discusses in detail why he feels 'Vista blows' and what's to become of DirectX 10."

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  1. Go figure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A DirectX architect says that console games are on the way out, and PC games are coming back. Surprise, surprise.

    1. Re:Go figure... by aleph42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not that I have any faith either in that guy, but sure would love PC gaming to win over consoles.

      I mean, consoles really are like cell-phone: a product line whose whole logic is consumer lock-in. They sell the console without a profit (like cell phone are sometimes sold for zero), and make up future on expenses which you are forced to make to the same company (through the license cost on the games).

      What do you get in exchange for that? A PC (complete with hard drive, internet connection, support for usb, etc), excpet you can't use it like a PC. If the same games where made for PC directly, you would simply win on all fronts (even on the price; it's true that you save on the console, but you lose that by the lack of competition on games).

      The hardware design of the PS3 could be sold as CPUs and GPUs (6 cores, why not if some games support it?).
      I shouldn't have to wait for an extra year for GTA4 to be available for PC, only to inevitably find that it's a laggy on recent hardware, being a port.
      People who get locked up with a console, only to buy games made for 4 different consoles and thus completly unoptimised are being ripped off.

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    2. Re:Go figure... by Naughty+Bob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Though no Urophage, I love my Wii. When I play with my kids (or even drunken buddies), I think back to my C64 roots and lo, I am thankful.

      I am not convinced that a PC analog could have replicated, in the given timescale, the user experience there.

      I do think that the PC, once fully integrated into everyday entertainment, will compete in this regard, but the console is/has been a vital stepping stone to what is clearly a fun PC-based future.

      The main benefit of consoles is supposed to be ease of development. From what I understand, PC game developers are rather hamstrung by the need to factor in the thousands of potential hardware configurations their products might encounter.

      I see all of these problems as a consequence of the immaturity of the field, a short-term hassle to be stomached until the way ahead (open, common standards) is clear and obvious to all the major players.

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    3. Re:Go figure... by Daniel+Phillips · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not that I have any faith either in that guy, but sure would love PC gaming to win over consoles. Except that it is not PC gaming, it is Windows gaming. So given that choice, I would prefer that Windows gaming be defeated by PS3, Wii, and yes, even XBox 360.

      And return stronger as genuine, cross-platform PC gaming.
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    4. Re:Go figure... by burnin1965 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What do you get in exchange for that? A PC (complete with hard drive, internet connection, support for usb, etc), excpet you can't use it like a PC. If the same games where made for PC directly, you would simply win on all fronts (even on the price; it's true that you save on the console, but you lose that by the lack of competition on games).

      Well, you get something else, a box that you know you can plug the games into and they just work. The purpose and use of PCs is widely varied so there is no guarantee that you buy a game, pop it into your PC, and it just works.

      There are other benefits as well, lack of spyware, viruses, trojans, etc., although that could change with the new direction consoles are taking.

      And yes, as Alex had noted, if every PC sold, including the all in one integrated boxes, included the latest and greatest eye popping GPU technology and CPU technology then the PC gaming market would be much simpler, but what can I say, the guy is a doofus.

      When I'm building a headless server and I purchase an all in one motherboard to support the system the last thing I want is some high priced bleeding edge GPU soldered into the motherboard, cranking up the cost, generating heat, and really doing absolutely nothing.

      The PC gaming market is what it is because the PC is a general utility tool that you spec for the purpose, you don't spec it to meet the needs for one persons marketing desires.

      Oh, and by the way, in some cases those consoles that you believe cannot be used as a desktop even though they have desktop type hardware, some of them can. You can run a linux desktop on the PS3.
    5. Re:Go figure... by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not that I have any faith either in that guy, but sure would love PC gaming to win over consoles.

      Not to burst your bubble, but I hope you're wrong. I hope neither wins and that PC, console, cell phone, smartphone, PDA gaming markets all continue. The more the merrier. Bring the simple games to all of them more easily and make cross-platform and open development tools and practices the standard. Targeting just one console is fine too, but really if we don't have to tools to easily target multiple platforms, then we don't have healthy competition. We end up with more and more "exclusive" titles so we have to buy multiple systems of miss out. Worse yet, in such a market one player could gain the upper hand and suddenly we have another monopoly that leads to slower innovation, higher prices, and fewer choices.

      Forget hoping either PC or console gaming "win" and join me in hoping game players "win" by having healthy market producing games and losing money when those games suck.

      If the same games where made for PC directly, you would simply win on all fronts (even on the price; it's true that you save on the console, but you lose that by the lack of competition on games).

      The problem with this is "PC gaming" is pretty much the same thing as "Microsoft wins" since they control 90%+ of all PCs and the proprietary DirectX APIs. They're aiming at removing just the competition you're hoping for with DirectX and a PC or Xbox. If the other consoles "lose" (even if the Xbox does) nothing stops them from being the gatekeeper of all games and that means higher prices and fewer choices.

  2. Consoles... by i_liek_turtles · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For gaming, consoles are about as "Just Works" (no Xbox jokes, thanks) as you get. For people who lack computer expertise, but like playing games, how can PCs beat that for the time being?

  3. The appeal of console gaming by Johnny+Fusion · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I use a console when I want to step away from the computer. Console games have some advantages over computers, one you never have to check for system requirements.

    As to the demise, I mean lots of people (me included) are still playing vintage game consoles. Heck I got an Atari Paddle Set that works of AA batteries that I still play. But perhaps that says more about the timelessness of Breakout and Pong than consoles...

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  4. This guy is on crack by SilverBlade2k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Console gaming will eventually kill PC gaming. It is cheaper for developers since they don't have to make the game to work on 20 million PC configurations, only 1 console configuration. Plus, consumers have to spend a fortune to upgrade their systems to play the newest games. Even some video cards alone are more pricey then a whole console system.

  5. Just bought a console by chicago_scott · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I just recently bought a console. The main reason was because I was tired of needing to buy a new graphics card every year in order to to display the best graphics and have the best performance for the newest games and the only reason I needed to upgrade was for games. I did this when I went from PCI to AGP many yeas ago, thereby needing to buy a new motherboard, new processor, memory, etc. (I have also upgraded the motherboard several times since then in order to have a faster processor and memory.)

    I didn't want to do that again in order to upgrade to PCI-E, so I bought a 360 console for less than half the price and I don't intend to upgrade my PC again for at least two or three years. I think a 3.2 GHz processsor and 2 GB of memory will be fine for software development for at least that long.

    I also wanted to play games on a large screen and not have to sit in the same chair where I work all day when I'm relaxing.

  6. Re:Why consoles will win by lycono · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I happen to like FPS games. I also happen to hate FPS games on consoles because I much prefer using a mouse over a joystick to aim. Chalk it up to my inability to learn how to use the console controller correctly or chalk it up to the inadequacy of the controller for these kinds of games. Either way, I still prefer playing with a mouse. This is a huge reason I don't play many console games.

  7. Xbox uses DirectX by tepples · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A DirectX architect says that console games are on the way out, and PC games are coming back. Surprise, surprise. If you're trying to make a "consider the source" argument, please let me remind you that Xbox and Xbox 360 game consoles use DirectX.
  8. As long as pcs have free online play and user mods by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As long as pc's have free online play and user mods and maps that are free Consoles will still be behind.

    There are some payed for mods on the consoles but they are not the same as the free stuff on the pc.

    Also who would want to pay for LIVE and for the game as well paying a monthly fee for the game for something like WOW?

    There are also a lot of cool free and open pc games that will never be a consoles.

    Also there are games that work better with a mouse and mouse are not used that much on a consoles.

    Games also like to use the web and other stuff on the same system that they game on.

  9. Lockout chip business model by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    there's little advantage to using a PC over a console for games. Other than the fact that PC users can download and run games released as free software, freeware, or shareware, produced by any developer with a copy of Windows and a copy of GCC? Consoles such as Wii are restricted to developers that are established businesses with actual office space (see warioworld.com for details), and the game cannot include copylefted free software because the console makers outright refuse to allow the developers to provide Installation Information.
  10. That's great, but this isn't a hardware problem. by raehl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What do you get in exchange for that? A PC (complete with hard drive, internet connection, support for usb, etc), excpet you can't use it like a PC.

    That's the whole point.

    When was the last time your Play station got a virus? How much do you spend on your Play station's anti-virus software every month? How many controllers can you plug into your PC? When was the last time you had to install a game on your XBox? Or install drivers for your newest controller? Or work through compatibility issues between your latest game and your PS3's GPU?

    It's also true that for the price of a microwave, I can get a nice laptop, that connects to the internet and all that. But it kinda sucks at heating food, doesn't it?

    There's a reason the Wii is selling so well, even though it doesn't even support HD graphics. People don't want something with internet, that can do their taxes, that catches viruses, that they can read their email on, or that has the bestest fastest hardware.

    They want something they can play fun games on, with other people, in their living area where the television is, on something that isn't the size of a desktop PC. And they want those games to work when they plug them in, every time. About the limit you can expect from a console consumer is blowing the dust off the cartridge pins.

    Are PC's more powerful? Sure. But there is a whole bunch of overhead that comes with the advantages of the PC over a game console that are just not worth it to the majority of console players.

  11. more Intel bashing from PC gaming world by cerelib · · Score: 4, Insightful
    He first rails on Intel for crappy graphics,

     

    And so if you see a PC that is not denuded by things interfering with it by Microsoft and Intel, in many cases like an Intel crappy graphics chip, or a bloated Vista operating system, it's a fantastic gaming platform. And the shame is, if the low end of the PC market, the mass market PCs that everybody buys did not come with these crappy graphics chips on them and was not burdened with a fat OS, that the PC would be a larger contiguous gaming platform than all the next-generation consoles combined, probably would be clearly superior;

    and then proves how great the PC gaming market is by mentioning the success of a game that does not need much in the way of graphics hardware,

     

    the PC is the home of the most profitable game in history generating more revenue than the top 10 console games combined--that's World of Warcraft generating a 1.2 billion dollars a year in revenue, that's a pure PC game.

    I am so tired of the PC gaming industry blaming its demise on Intel giving people cost effective graphics that do exactly what their users want. The whole reason for the demise of PC gaming is because the market split because consumers want different types of computing devices at prices they can afford. The PC has tons of possibilities, but all the industry seems to create are rehashes of the same old ideas; mostly FPS and RTS. Traditional PC gaming is not dead, but it is in a losing battle with the consoles because it is failing to innovate. The real PC gaming growth is in small games that are fun, addictive, and sometimes are the center of online communities. Hell, I had to kid a Yahoo Pool addiction a few years ago and I don't think I will ever see anything like that on a console.
  12. Way to prove the point. by raehl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1. Use Firefox.
          2. Use a firewall (Windows Firewall does the trick).
          3. Avoid suspicious .exe/.wmv/(etc) filespam on file sharing networks (if that's your sort of thing).
          4. For the love of God, use Firefox.
          5. Never click on ads.
          6. Never install bundled adware or browser toolbars.
          7. Nobody offering free screensavers/themes/ringtones/pr0n/minigames in .exe format en masse is legit.
          8. Train yourself to recognize spam in all forms, on all media. Every trendy Internet product, service, feature or meme will have a spam-clone, made either to spread badware or to conduct phishing scams - and you must be ready for both.
          9. ???
        10. No viruses and no anti-virus! Enjoy your new computer experience. You're welcome.


    So that's the list for the PC. Looks like you have 7 legitimate items that you have to do. While they all may be common sense for you or me, they're not common sense for the average consumer.

    For comparison, here's the list for the console:

    1. Uh.. nothing.

    See?

  13. Re:A $250 PC could copy the wii by bane2571 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does the standard run linux or windows?
    Which of the 400 different controllers on the PC market do you use? And which drivers?
    ATI or Nvidia graphics? Because picking one locks out the other to a degree.

    The reason consoles exist is because once you dictate a standard down to the point where everything always works you can pretty much only have a console.
    I realise it would be awesome for me and most of my friends if developers dropped consoles and went PC full time but think of the children (GASP! it's relevant); Little Timmy doesn't want to spend any time fiddling with settings to make his new game work, he just wants to plug it in and go.

  14. Re:A $250 PC could copy the wii by multipartmixed · · Score: 3, Insightful

    > Little Timmy doesn't want to spend any time fiddling with settings to make
    > his new game work, he just wants to plug it in and go.

    To hell with Little Timmy. I'm a senior systems developer with roots in the PC repair field, in the early 90s while I was in school. I am perfectly capable of specifying, purchasing, and assembling a hardware platform suitable for whatever I might want to play.

    But you know what? I spend about 40 hours a year gaming. It takes 15 minutes to buy a Wii and some controllers and 10 more to ask to the Wii nerd at Walmart what doesn't suck. That's it. 25 minutes invested. When I want to play games, I DON'T want to piss around installing an OS, patches, making sure Direct X version 18.4 is installed, blah ablah ablah abl h.

    PC is *shitty* platform for games because it is _general purpose_. NOBODY wants to come home and work to play.

    (PS, are there any good FPSs for Wii?)

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