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White House Says Hard Drives Were Destroyed

wanderindiana brings us an update on the White House missing emails mess, which we have discussed before. It seems the hard drives of many White House computers are gone beyond the possibility of recovery. Is it unusual in your experience for, say, a corporate IT department to destroy hard drives by policy? "Older White House computer hard drives have been destroyed, the White House disclosed to a federal court Friday in a controversy over millions of possibly missing e-mails from 2003 to 2005. The White House revealed new information about how it handles its computers in an effort to persuade a federal magistrate it would be fruitless to undertake an e-mail recovery plan that the court proposed."

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  1. Awesome! by WilyCoder · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Awesome! Now arrest them for obstruction of Justice.

  2. Re:No it is not usual by samurphy21 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is it unusual in your experience for, say, a corporate IT department to destroy hard drives by policy?

    During my employ as a contractor with the Canadian Department of National Defence, it was standard for decomissioned (read: hellishly outdated) systems to be stripped of RAM and HD, by policy, before being sold off as a lot as surplus/scrap. The RAM and HD would then be sent to an industrial grade metal shredder at a larger nearby base for destruction.

    Granted, this was for workstation systems where no personal or private data was to be stored. Again, by policy. I'm unsure what the policy would be for servers where email was stored. Probably still destroy the physical hard drive, but the final backup tapes are more than likely to be kept under lock and key for eternity.

  3. SNL Pathological Liar by bmo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hey! where have we seen this excuse before?

    Smashing hard disks pisses off judges, and they write things like this:

    http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20041021131512626

    113. Late in the evening of April 29, 1997, Merkey returned a laptop computer to Novell. Upon inspection Novell discovered that the hard drive in the computer was smashed. That same computer and hard drive were offered as an exhibit and the court has personally inspected the computer.

    114. The hard drive of the laptop is a modular unit, easily removable from the computer.

    115. At trial the hard drive was removed and inspected by the court. It had the appearance of having been smashed with several blows from a hard object like a hammer.

    116. Merkey has offered no less than four different explanations of how the hard drive came to be smashed, pointing most of the blame to his children.

    117. One of his explanations is that he was so angry at the replevin that he threw the computer at Novell's door when he returned it. This explanation does not fly (like the computer allegedly did) for neither the computer carrying case nor the laptop bear any evidence of physical abuse or damage, though the hard drive, which ordinarily is mounted within the plastic shell of the computer, clearly has been smashed.

    The dog ate it! No, my KIDS smashed it...no...IT IS WHITE HOUSE POLICY! (Jon Lovitz Voice) Yeah, That's the ticket!

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  4. Not really the point by Gription · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The IT staff either is malicious or highly incompetent.

    Or following orders. They were almost certainly following policy. The complaint here is that the data is missing/destroyed. The data is supposed to be retained by a backup solution. The hard drives are only a 'working area'. Sure the data is stored there while someone is actively using the computer but as soon as it leaves the person's desk it is now a security risk.

    The drives should be thoroughly wiped and then recycled or destroyed. That is good IT policy. I run the IT hardware division for my company that supplies and supports customer's computers. When any computer is repaired or replaced the old drive is dated, put into secure storage for a minimum of 30 days, and then DOD wiped, and then recycled or physically destroyed. (The magnets are really good for hanging things on cubical walls.)

    The reason our drives are 'aged' for 30 days is because we can't trust our customers to have a good backup. (or ANY backup...) The White House shouldn't have any issues with their backups so they have no reason to retain the drives. This brings us back to the backup question. The rule for a really secure backup methodology is, "Multiple methods of backup, and multiple media". About 10 years ago I saw an article in a trade journal (InfoWorld?) that quoted the statistic that after a catastrophic data loss, 15% of the time the backup method itself is found to be flawed. Having 2 methods of backup would reduce the chance of an unrecoverable flaw to 2.25% which is much more acceptable.

    The solution to the White House problem is the judicious use of pink slips. Fire any one who bowed to pressure and allowed this to happen. (or was incompetent enough to allow a flawed backup scheme...)
    1. Re:Not really the point by Zooperman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In a corporate environment that may be good IT policy... but in a government body, communications between individuals or departments are by definition the property of the people of the United States. Those communications should NOT be destroyed, now or ever. Once the current administration leaves office they should be transferred to the National Archives (unless deemed classified); just as the documents, tapes and videos of previous administrations were handled. There may have been incompetence involved, but at the very least this raises questions about accountability and suggests a cover-up; and the tinfoil hat-wearers out there already have enough conspiracy theory ammunition to last for the next 100 years as it is.

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    2. Re:Not really the point by macdaddy · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Dinging the white house IT department for this isn't good. Heck, dinging Bush isn't necessarily a good idea. I've met some of the higher ups - and computer knowledge isn't their high point.

      Horseshit. Criminal charges should be filed against all involved and that includes the IT Department. All higher-ups used RNC computers for day to day business. It wasn't a simple matter of a few people doing it. All of them did it. That's not an accident. That was a directive. All the higher-ups should be held accountable. IT had to have known that their were non-governmental computers on the premises and were used for day to day functions. IT knows everything; they always have and always will (which is why they have very high security clearances due to the nature of the information on the computers they have to service and people they have to support). They, and all other Americans, are required to report illegal activity they have direct knowledge of. To not do so is a willful act and runs contrary to the law. In my dreams I want to see every single member of the administration that participated or knew about this abuse of power and the support staff that did not report it charged. It's a pipe dream I know. Still I'd like to see it.

  5. Re:No it is not usual by KiloByte · · Score: 3, Interesting

    After the president admitting to a felony against the FISA? After the administration ordering evidence to be falsified to have a casus belli against enemies of their Saudi friends?

    The last few US administrations, both Democleptopopulist and Repunepotiauthoritarian, criminal? Who wuda thunk it?

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  6. Re:Privacy? On Government networks? by penix1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why wouldn't these people do their planning outside of the government network, using email with encryption (PGP)? All of them could easily create Yahoo or Google accounts, or they could even create their own little domain name with their own server and run it all with encryption. Then we wouldn't even be having this conversation.


    That's exactly why we are having this conversation because Cheney et. al. did exactly that. They used outside email servers against the law and got caught. They were using the RNC servers and when handed a subpoena for their email claimed it was all lost. It turns out they weren't all lost much to the chagrin of the administration.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040402404.html

    http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1362

    Of course, nobody will be punished in the least for violating The Presidential Records Act.
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  7. Re:A way to check... by SL+Baur · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Name the last independent President. William Howard Taft http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/wt27.html

    Dumped by his handlers when he refused to be a typical President and was replaced by Woody Wilson who blessed us with the Federal Income Tax, the Federal Reserve and after running as "The President who kept us out of war", gave us World War I.

    It's very sad that we have to go back a hundred years to find an honest President and I guess that proves your point.
  8. Re:2000 version of the Nixon tapes by TheGavster · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What do military codes have to do with the acts of our elected officials? Consider the following example correspondence:

    "Send the troops into Laos, authorization code XKSD230923"

    The bit the people have the right to know is "Send the troops into Laos"; the whole transaction shouldn't be secret just because there happens to be some sort of secret authentication token in the same sentence.

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  9. Re:How they are destroyed by Gription · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So does a simple low-level format. Unless you can cite any actual cases of data being recovered from a low-level-formatted drive that involve modern (IE *not* MFM) drives. Had lunch last Wednesday with a guy who has a full time job recovering data from drives that are anything short of a full DOD wipe. He is a forensic computer examiner and has degrees in mathematics and in cryptography. He had a number of fascinating stories about nailing people who thought a couple complete overwrites of the drive would cover their tracks. A repeated low level format is a cake walk for him because there is no alternation of the bit pattern. The regular repeating pattern makes it easy to analyze the magnetic boundaries and recover a drive.