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Long-Dead ORDB Begins Returning False Positives

Chapter80 writes "At noon today (Eastern Standard Time), the long dead ORDB spam identification system began returning false positives as a way to get sleeping users to remove the ORDB query from their spam filters. The net effect: all mail is blocked on servers still configured to use the ORDB service, which was taken out of commission in December of 2006. So if you're not getting any mail, check your spam filter configuration!"

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  1. Why DNS-RBLs suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
  2. Re:Whoa! ORDB better have a good disclaimer by ZenDragon · · Score: 5, Informative

    They arent being lost, simply being flagged as spam by the database. People will have to go into their respectave administration interface and "release" the mail and/or mark it as safe. Kind of a pain in the ass, but if your depending on a spam database that is over a year old, its not likley doing much for you anyway.

  3. Re:No luck by xiaomai · · Score: 3, Informative

    How did you post that one logged in, eh ?

    Remember: real trolls use their primary account.

    I'm pretty sure he was making a joke. He couldn't get the confirmation E-Mail because he hadn't removed the ORDB spam-filter from his mail system.

  4. Re:Why not just close the server? by travisd · · Score: 4, Informative

    Because the requests will still come. And even without a response, the request will consume bandwidth that someone is paying for, and consuming an IP address that someone would like to re-use.

  5. Re:Bonehead by WarJolt · · Score: 4, Informative

    One connection refused doesn't take up a lot of bandwidth. Thousands of connections refused per day does. Clients often times aren't smart enough to figure out the site is down permanently.

  6. Re:Whoa! ORDB better have a good disclaimer by interiot · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why don't they just start reporting all messages as good, or just not give any rating to any message?

    That's precisely what they did for the last 15 months (a pretty reasonable amount of time):

    DNS and the mailing lists will vanish today, December 18, 2006.

    I don't know... do they still own a machine that responds to DNS requests, and are therefore paying for bandwidth? Probably not.

    Do they want to sell the domain to someone, who wouldn't want to get hit with a bandwidth bill as soon as they throw some servers up? More likely.

  7. Re:Why? by sjames · · Score: 3, Informative

    Even unanswered DNS queries cost bandwidth. Perhaps they just don't want the traffic anymore.

  8. Re:It's the only way to get them to stop by brassman · · Score: 5, Informative
    Mod parent up. I don't have the article in front of me and I have no doubt that 'dickish' won't believe me anyway -- but the last time this happened, someone high up in the .org domain administration reported that the entire .org TLD was at risk of foundering under the load of UNANSWERED queries.

    I tell you three times: At the volumes we're talking about, merely turning off the server does not solve the problem caused by people continuing to query it.

    --
    "Ain't no right way to do a wrong thing."
  9. Re:Nope. by Hal_Porter · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://www.spamyourenemies.com/

    Such a succinct website name.

    --
    echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
  10. Re:Is it really necessary? by prshaw · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, I block about 50% of the connections to my email server based on RBLs.

    So it could cost me almost double in bandwidth, processing, and storage if I let all of the email through. And then I would assume the users would end up deleting the emails anyway, causing them to do additional thinking/clicking.

    Everyone's numbers are going to be a little different depending on how much they block on the RBLs. I use pretty non-agressive RBLs since I don't want to block any legit email.

    Some RBLs are best used for scoring emails, some are good for blocking. You have to use them in the way that makes the most sense for what you are trying to accomplish.

  11. Re:Whoa! ORDB better have a good disclaimer by monsted · · Score: 3, Informative

    Nope, if they just let the domain expire, it would have caused the .org authoritative servers to die. It's been done already, shortly after they first shut down the service, causing them to open it a again, responding that everything is ham.

    If the ordb.org zone goes away, every halfwit mail admin who uses ordb.org will be hammering the .org servers instead. This is why it was first reenabled and now shut down the way it is.