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China to Use Silver Iodide & Dry Ice to Control the Weather

eldavojohn writes "While we made light of it before, the MIT Review is taking a serious look at China's plans to prevent rain over their open 91,000 seat arena for The Olympics. From the article: 'China's national weather-engineering program is also the world's largest, with approximately 1,500 weather modification professionals directing 30 aircraft and their crews, as well as 37,000 part-time workers — mostly peasant farmers — who are on call to blast away at clouds with 7,113 anti-aircraft guns and 4,991 rocket launchers.' They plan on demonstrating their ability to control the weather to the rest of the world, and expanding on their abilities in the future."

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  1. Re:Also from the article... by tgd · · Score: 5, Informative

    For what its worth, Atlanta did the same thing in 1996. The whole Olympic Centennial Park area, all the new stadiums, etc were all built in former slums occupied by people who were strangely no longer in Atlanta after.

  2. Re:Isn't silver bad for you???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    You're thinking of Colloidal Silver.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloidal_silver

    It causes a condition called Argyria, which turns the skin permanently blueish-gray.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyria

    I'm not sure if other silver-based chemicals also have the same effect or not.

    Check out this dude who took too much of the stuff:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XV0I6Q70Yw

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  3. Re:Also from the article... by Jimmy_B · · Score: 5, Informative

    "... The Geneva-based Centre on Housing Rights and Evictions estimates that 1.5 million of Beijing's natives will have been displaced from their homes by government edict when the Olympics finally begins." Someone please try to justify evicting one and a half million people for the Olympics.
    Please cite your sources. I tracked down your source, the Center on Housing Rights and Evictions Violator Award - Beijing. From that same article, however,

    The main areas in which evictions have been carried out within the Municipality of Beijing during the period between 2000 and 2007 are neighbourhoods in the four central districts of the capital where overcrowding and old or dangerous housing is common; namely Dongcheng, Xicheng, Chongwen and Xuanwu. Large-scale evictions have also been carried out in several Chengzhongcun (literally, villages in the city), poor informal settlements comprising housing that has not been approved for construction, does not comply with building codes and typically is not properly serviced.
    They aren't evicting people to clear space for new development, they're evicting people from unsafe, overcrowded shanties. Sounds like they should've demolished those buildings a long time ago, but they're just getting around to it now because they don't want the rest of the world to see how bad they were.
  4. No, they will not by WindBourne · · Score: 3, Informative

    China has lots of rain in this area. They idea is make the rain happen west of the area. That way, the sky is dry as it moves over the crowd. In addition,the amount of silver iodide is a trivial amount.

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  5. Re:Isn't silver bad for you???? by djtachyon · · Score: 3, Informative

    I know there's this concoction (that has silver)... You are thinking of Colloidal Silver. Silver is a natural antibiotic and quite a lot of it can be drank daily. A topical form, Silver Sulfadiazine, is often prescribed for severe burns.

    ...that if you take too much of it turns your skin blue and is irreversible. The condition of drinking way too much of this is called Argyria.
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  6. Re:Also from the article... by prisoner-of-enigma · · Score: 5, Informative

    sure, just as soon as someone justify evicting 30 or more families to build a mall or walmart. You do have a point here, but I think you're exaggerating some figures and it's hurting your argument. You claim "30 or more families" are "evict[ed]" from their homes every six months to build a Wal-Mart or a mall. Somehow I doubt this is true for a number of reasons.

    First, the "big box" stores like Wal-Mart, Target, Home Depot, etc. try to find unoccupied land when they can because it's cheaper. Sure, in urbanized areas that's difficult or impossible, which is why their second choice is demolishing/renovating older shopping centers, warehouses, and so forth. There's several of these going on within ten miles of my home right now. Again, this is cheaper (and easier on the PR) than going after residential areas. The absolute last choice is a residential area because it's more expensive, more time consuming, and -- as you've noted in your argument -- it pisses people off sometimes.

    Second, I question your use of the term "evict." Evict means they're forcibly parted from their property. This does happen from time to time, and when it does it makes news. There have been documented cases of eminent domain abuse centered around these types of stores, and you're quite right to complain about them. That is your argument: the encroachment on private property rights by local city zoning councils (which are after sales tax dollars) and the businesses they "work" for (who want your sales dollars and pay politicians with campaign contributions). You hurt yourself, though, by claiming it happens "almost every 6 months" to 30 families. The aforementioned abuses are inexcusable, but they are much rarer than you claim.

    Third, you attempt to draw some equivalence between China displacing 1.5M people and our eminent domain abuses. That is a poor analogy for many reasons, not the least of which is that the Chinese have much more limited property rights than Americans do to begin with. Also, using your very own numbers, you claim 30 families are uprooted every six months in the U.S., and you claim it's been going on "for decades." By my calculations on your numbers (numbers I disagree with, BTW), the "fuckers in the USA" displace a maximum of 60 families a year. Assuming 3 people constitutes a family, that's 180 people per year. At this rate it would take over eight thousand years for the "fuckers in the USA" to displace 1.5M people, something the Chinese are doing in far less than a decade. Even that number pales when compared to the relocation required for the Three Gorges Dam project. Yet you seem to have a problem determining the difference in scale, morally equivocating one to the other.

    Like I said, your argument against eminent domain abuses are quite valid, but your exaggeration and hyperbole degenerates your argument into frothing at the mouth. What we're doing with eminent domain abuse in this country is bad, but what's going on in places like China is much, much worse...so much so that it really diminishes the more egregious abuse by trying to link it with the lesser abuse.

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  7. Re:Eminent Domain by cenonce · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yeah, you're right, but the Supreme Court has unfortunately said otherwise.

  8. Re:What does China gain from hosting these? by Spellvexit · · Score: 3, Informative

    I pretty much agree that the Olympics are going to be a huge expenditure with few tangible results, but I find it pretty unsurprising China is so gung-ho about this. In my opinion, hosting the Olympic games satisfies several agendas:

    • It's great for mianzi ("face"). Saving face, losing face, gaining face is a big deal in China. I used to think it wasn't that big of a deal and that it was really just another term for what Westerners go through, but it's got a surprising force in China. Even in Taiwan, which I would think is more westernized, I encountered behavior based primarily on face that defied common sense. It's not uncommon to ask for directions and get the completely wrong answer, not because that person was mistaken, but because they didn't want to tell you "I don't know." Winning in an Olympic event is big for China, but being the master of ceremony has to be even more prestigious. Add the home court advantage, and it's win-win!
    • It also fits China's massive industrialization and modernization agenda. The Three Gorges Dam and the intense infrastructure development in the west are just a couple of these large scale projects. Modernizing for the Olympics works well in Bejing: they've been purging the hutong (small residential collectives) for a while now, and under the flag of the Olympics, they can step up this agenda for an ostensibly noble cause. On a more positive note, it gives the government a good opportunity to make inroads against pollution. I visited a few years ago, and I was surprised at how clean the bus emissions were, given Beijing's dire pollution reputation.
    • In relation to the above, Bejing is a huge and marvelous city and is the symbol of the Chinese government. While Shanghai and Hong Kong may retain some of the glitter of being cities of international trade, there is no other city in China like Beijing, which blends culture, government, and military in such a peculiarly balanced way. Beijing means authority, and hosting the Olympics only adds to this majesty.
    • Finally, China strives for unity as much as it shuns dissent. The Olympics are a fantastic pretense for this. It makes the nation look strong as a whole, tells places like Taiwan "see what you're missing?", distracts the populace from idle mischief. In some ways, there's nothing wrong with this -- what's a little national pride? But in China, national pride often seems to be a bit more engineered than in Western countries, and the Olympics is no exception.

    I don't mean to be overly cynical about the whole affair -- I had several Chinese friends who were ecstatic when it was announced that China would host the Olympics, and I'm happy for them. But in response to the original post, the Olympics often seem to be huge expenditures that may or may not pay off. Not to be unfair to developing nations, but... why do we constantly have to build new stadiums to accommodate the Olympics? Can't we just use the old ones we built, and focus more on the games and less on the "boom and bust" economics of building the infrastructure every 4 years?

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  9. Re:"Weather modification professionals???" by lbgator · · Score: 3, Informative

    We call it something different, but there is a lot of money spent on "cloud seeding" in the USA every year. There is some debate over whether or not it is effective, but apparently the Chinese aren't the only "bludgeoning buffoons" around here.

  10. Re:Bush failed in New Orleans. by q-the-impaler · · Score: 3, Informative

    Someone get this guy a cookie! Additionally, NO wasn't the only Katrina victim, but only conspiracy theories make the news.

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