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SCO's "Least Supported Idea Yet"

I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "Unsurprisingly, all of SCO's creditors have objected to the plan to reimburse York for the failed 'emergency' deal. Novell's tiny seven page objection (PDF) is hilarious and very readable. They don't hold back at all, saying that 'all that happened is that the Debtors spent money needlessly on a proceeding that was, to all intents and purposes, stillborn had it not been for the stubbornness of the Debtors' management and the avarice of York,' and that it was 'another really bad deal they have chased in ceaseless pursuit of their dreams of a litigation bonanza.' They top it off by concluding with the line, 'for the reasons explained above, the Court should deny the Motion as the Debtors' worst and least supported idea yet in these cases.' One can only wonder how SCO will respond to this."

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  1. SCO to hire more lawyers by Malevolent+Tester · · Score: 5, Funny

    Commentators note this is the first example of vermin joining a sinking ship.

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  2. SCO's response? by Bieeanda · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's easy. They'll sue Novell for defamation!

  3. I'd be more apathetic if I weren't so lethargic by peipas · · Score: 4, Funny

    Really? I feel like Peter Griffin standing outside the newsstand for 48 hours trying to understand the New Yorker comic.

    (closes PDF)

  4. kill -9 by davejenkins · · Score: 4, Funny

    I am convinced that SCO and their lawyers are a zombie process at this point. The bankruptcy was an attempt to kill the pid with some hope of clean up, but i fear we are to the stage of kill -9. I don't know what the legal equivalent of this is, except to get the sheriff in his off-hours to go in and lock the doors and just physically seize everything.

    MAKE IT STOP!!!!

    1. Re:kill -9 by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Funny

      And what if that fails to work? Will we have to reboot the world?

    2. Re:kill -9 by timster · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't know, maybe it's nit-picking, but any kill signal (including -9) will have no effect on a zombie process, pretty much by definition. A "zombie" process is just an entry in the process table that can't be removed for some reason (usually because the parent process hasn't read its exit code). There isn't any actual process associated with it, so no signals have any effect.

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    3. Re:kill -9 by domatic · · Score: 5, Funny

      Killing the parent process will get rid of a zombie. The problem here is that the system has been pwned and the hidden parent process is "msdirtytricks".

    4. Re:kill -9 by Volanin · · Score: 5, Funny

      Just use kill -NERFGUN [zombie process] ... if your OS doesn't ban it, of course.

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    5. Re:kill -9 by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Funny

      And what if that fails to work? Will we have to reboot the world?


      Well, technically, init could do the job just as well, too. After all, it spawned off (eventually) the process that spawned the zombie (and forgot to reap them). Now, we just need to telinit to reap some zombie processes.

      Things are easier if one of those processes was a shell spawned by init... kill the shell, and init will respawn it, reaping any zombies that the shell was an eventual parent of.

      Surprised there's no silver-bullet gun utility to go alongside with kill. Or that kill doesn't have a --wooden-stake option.
    6. Re:kill -9 by erc · · Score: 4, Funny

      kill -9 1 ;)

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    7. Re:kill -9 by Trigun · · Score: 5, Funny

      Surprised there's no silver-bullet gun utility to go alongside with kill. Or that kill doesn't have a --wooden-stake option.

      That would be for vampire processes. --fire or --headshot would be a better option.
      Thank heaven that there are no Basilisk processes.

    8. Re:kill -9 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Disk mirroring defeats basilisk processes.

    9. Re:kill -9 by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm thinking the right approach is to sic the Crimson Permanent Assurance on them.

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    10. Re:kill -9 by mikeee · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've had Basilisk processes!

      Anything that opened /proc/[procid] would freeze. As you might guess, this was a huge PITA.

    11. Re:kill -9 by WK2 · · Score: 4, Funny

      We have already established that rebooting the universe is a bad idea. How is killing it a better solution?

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  5. If I weren't already a registered Slashdotter... by Tsar · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...I'd want "The Avarice of York" as my alias. Who'll bet that it's taken by the end of the day?

  6. It's Shakespeare (almost) by Kupfernigk · · Score: 5, Funny
    SCO: Now is the winter of our discontent made glorious summer by this son of York.

    Novell: Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow creeps in this petty case from day to day to the last syllable of recorded time.

    IBM: SCO's but a walking shadow.

    Groklaw, chorus of Slashdot readers and industry analysts: Out, out brief candle!

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    1. Re:It's Shakespeare (almost) by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Greatest... Slashdot... post... evvvvvverrrrrr.

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  7. Re:If I weren't already a registered Slashdotter.. by The+Avarice+of+York · · Score: 5, Funny

    orly?

  8. 150,000K by esocid · · Score: 5, Informative
    From TFM:

    the Debtors nevertheless now seek an expense reimbursement for York of $150,000 (or $50,000, as an alternative) as a "business and moral matter."
    So SCO is trying to pay off York because they want to entice them again at a later date? It also states that this is in violation of bankruptcy laws since it wasn't an approved as what they call a "breakup fee" meant to preserve the value of the estate to the other party or other potential buyers. No one actually signed any contract, and in this case they argue that the "contract" didn't even list any specifics as to what York would be purchasing.

    What exactly the Debtors proposed to sell to York was not entirely clear - which was one of the fatal defects of the Sale Motion in the end - because the Sale Motion attached only a nonbinding term sheet rather than a definitive sale agreement.
    I'm not sure what SCO is trying to do here, but it sure smells fishy.
    As a side not the motion really is pretty readable and worth it.
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    1. Re:150,000K by Trigun · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What they're trying to do is grab as much as possible on the way out. If I were Novell, I would have the court appoint an independent auditor to go in, and inventory everything; The computers, keyboards, mice, chairs, desks, carpeting, the fucking complimentary snacks in the employee lounge fridge. Everything! I would want to know how many staples were left in each stapler, every single pen, post-it notes sitting on the desks, used file folders, paper in the photocopier, and anything else I can think of.

      That's how you play hard-ball while still coming across as the nice guy who just wants to protect your own interests. If they object to how unreasonable it is, you just tell the judge that you wanted it to be thorough, but left it up to the auditors discretion, and have a clause where you pay a bonus for work done in a timely manner. That's the auditor's hush money, and you just debate what timely means afterward.

  9. Sort of turns the Bard on his ear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now is the sunset of our glorious SCO
    Made winter by the discontent and avarice of York...

  10. Quick Summary by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Informative

    After Novell won partial summary judgement against SCO that SCO owed them money for the MS and Sun deals, SCO declared Chapter 13 Bankruptcy. Chapter 13 bankruptcy means that the debtor (SCO) needs time to reorganize and some temporary protection from creditors (Novell, etc) while they figure a way to get back to solvency. This was Sept. 2007 and, the bankruptcy stopped the Novell trial.

    SCO then tried to broker an emergency sale of assets to York Management. Well, under bankruptcy, all deals must be approved by a bankruptcy court. Novell and other parties objected because SCO failed to disclose (like usual) exactly what assets were being sold and how it would help SCO recover and get out of Chapter 13. The court agreed and SCO withdrew the proposed sale motion in Nov. 2007 without really disclosing what were the terms of the sale. So now SCO wants to pay York $150,000 for their less than 2 months worth of work for a failed deal.

    IANAL but Novell had a reason to object to the sale. Among the things that SCO alluded to selling (but never fully disclosed) were obligations and assets that it owed to Novell in their case. If the deal would have gone through, Novell might have to battle it out for years between York and SCO to determine which one owed them the money. SCO could point to York and vice versa. It appears the SCO tried to scam their way out of paying by using a shifty sale.

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    1. Re:Quick Summary by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Informative

      I was a bit mistaken. SCO filed for Chapter 11. Chapter 13 is for individuals. Chapter 11 is for business. Both have the same purpose: Time for reorganization and temporary protection from creditors.

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  11. Of Course IBM and Novell are going to object by haplo21112 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Other reply other than a rejection would be saying something akin to: "We approve of SCO continuing to attempt to sue us."

    SCO should be torn up for parts, Chapter 11 is not the right state from them to be in, they are unsalvagable, Chapter 7 time.

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    1. Re:Of Course IBM and Novell are going to object by swillden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      SCO's executives should be torn up for parts

      There, fixed that for you.

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  12. SCO sane? by suck_burners_rice · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think it's been widely established that SCO's case is a bunch of hogwash, but this has gone too far for too long. I now question the sanity of SCO's people and of those who keep investing in SCO. And I feel sorry for the judge who has to put up with this nonsense.

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  13. Re:If I weren't already a registered Slashdotter.. by Nimey · · Score: 5, Funny

    You must be new here.

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  14. Best line in a legal document ever by Seakip18 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Page 4, half way down...

    "Heads I win, Tails you lose" does not pass muster in courts of equity such as this Court


    If only I could pull that line off with my coworkers...

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  15. The proposed buyer, SNCP, has no money by Animats · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's a very funny collection of filings. It doesn't stop with the comments about SCO, either. Remember, the proposed deal now is that Steven Norris Capital Partners (SNCP) proposes to buy SCO's assets for $5 million plus a "loan guarantee" of $95 million at somewhere around 20% interest to cover future claims by IBM, Novell, Red Hat, SuSE, etc. So who is SNCP? The filings tell us.

    In filing 412, Novell says "The Disclosure Statement says that SNCP was founded by Steven Norris and & Co. Capital Partners for the purposes of this transaction". So SNCP is a shell corporation. "It has a brief statement about SNCC's partners, Steven Norris and Mark Robbins, and sweeps breezily through a short statement of some of their past activities, making some very general grand claims about their past successes."

    In filing 408, IBM points out, "the Partnership (SNCP) does not seem to have any operational or investment history."

    Filing 414 points out, "Also, SNACCPLP failed to pay its annual tax assessments, and it thereby allowed its status to lapse to "CEASED GOOD STANDING" back in June 2006 (see Ex. 7). Thus, it is unlikely that the Florida LLC, formed in July 2007 (see Ex. 7), was truly "formed by Stephen Norris & Co. Capital Partners, L.P. for the purposes of this transaction." (Incomplete Disclosure Statement at (V)(B), p. 18)."

    This is not looking good.

    Steven Norris himself had a great reputation in finance until this month. His big claim to fame was the Carlyle Group. They created Carlyle Capital, which just went spectacularly broke, losing about $21 billion. If the main asset of SNCC is the reputation of Steven Norris, it's worth far less than it was a month ago.

    1. Re:The proposed buyer, SNCP, has no money by sconeu · · Score: 4, Informative

      Parent was lifted verbatim from this post.

      Maybe Animats is the Anonymous, but give credit where credit is due.

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    2. Re:The proposed buyer, SNCP, has no money by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative

      give credit where credit is due.

      Yes, I posted that on Groklaw too, in slightly different form.

    3. Re:The proposed buyer, SNCP, has no money by MrNiceguy_KS · · Score: 4, Funny

      They also attempted to broker a deal with Chuck Norris Capital Partners. Chuck Norris responded by laughing, then roundhouse kicking the SCO lawyer through a plate glass window, then laughing even harder, because there's nothing funnier than a lawyer being kicked through a plate glass window.

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  16. And the Novell trial is approaching by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative

    For those of you not following the SCO debacle, the SNCP deal was being pushed as a last desperate attempt to head off what's coming next month:

    U.S. District Court - District of Utah Court Calendar
    Honorable Dale A. Kimball

    Room 220. Tuesday, 04/29/2008 08:30 am. SCO Grp v. Novell Inc 2:04-cv-00139-DAK-BCW Bench Trial

    This is SCO's upcoming Really Bad Day. The issue of whether SCO owns the UNIX copyright has already been decided - they lost on that issue. The only issue for trial is how much money SCO owes Novell. Which may be more than SCO has left.

    SCO went into bankruptcy late last year to stall that trial, the Friday before the trial was to start on Monday. That didn't work; the bankruptcy court un-stayed the Novell trial. SCO tried the York deal to transfer their assets to York. That didn't work. Now they're trying the SNCP deal, which looks very unlikely at this point.

  17. Still not as good as this ruling ... by Ravensfire · · Score: 4, Funny

    http://www.nationalreview.com/document/document073001.shtml

    Anytime a Judge uses the words "most amateurish pleadings", "bumbling", or "a pig is still a pig" to describe the efforts of the attorneys, it's going to be a bad day for someone. Or in this case, both someones.

    "Now, alas, the Court must return to grownup land." - priceless! We need more people as judges with a biting sense of humor (and the nerve to use it liberally!) like this!

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    1. Re:Still not as good as this ruling ... by Darby · · Score: 4, Funny

      I always thought the law was dry and boring. Judge Kent's courtroom must be a fun place indeed (as long as you're not an idiot, like the plaintiff's lawyer)

      I was in court once for a speeding ticket, and there was some guy in there for a noise violation (playing his car stereo too loud). The judge had him walk to the back of the courtroom with a measuring tape, said "can you hear me?". The guy said, "yes" and the judge said, "that's too loud" (based on the law and the distance).

      So the guy comes back to the stand, the judge tells him that since it's his first offense that if he pleads guilty he'll most likely just get the charges dropped. So after a few times of the judge leading him along that course he finally said "guilty".

      The judge banged his gavel and said, "30 days in jail".

      The kid's face dropped, a wave of "holy shit" went across the courtroom and then the judge started laughing and said "just kidding, charges dropped".

  18. Perhaps not a good idea by edremy · · Score: 4, Informative
    I got a kick out of reading that, then looked the judge up on Wikipedia to see if he had any more gems.

    He's not exactly who we want on the bench

    1. Complaints about bullying lawyers
    2. Many complaints about favoritism towards certain lawyers, especially his best friend. Has been removed from cases involving this lawyer
    3. Suspension from the bench following sexual harrassment claims that apparently have been ongoing for years.
    4. Ongoing DOJ investigation that may lead to his impeachment over the harrassment claims.

    Acid toungue, funny as hell, complete jackass in RL.

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  19. Re:What's Left? by rkhalloran · · Score: 3, Informative

    With the ruling that Novell owns what copyrights are left in UNIX, all SCOX has left are some x86-based drivers and utilities for Unixware, that still need the SysV base to be useful. The only other useful item might be the customer lists for The Next Guy to use to promote their migrate-to-Linux consultancy...

    They also "own" the liabilities of IBM & Novell's countersuits, and the Red Hat Lanham Act suit for interfering in its doing business by casting doubt on Linux' legitimacy. Potential amount of these, especially in the IBM case, dwarfs the budget of many developing countries.

    SCOX DELENDA EST!!

  20. I hope by BCW2 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Someone writes a script. This could be funnier than Office Space and be 100% true! Great movie idea!

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    1. Re:I hope by MrCopilot · · Score: 3, Funny

      this could be funnier than Office Space and be 100% true! Great movie idea! And we could call it OpenOffice Space.org

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