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Using Tire Pressure Sensors To Spy On Cars

AngryDad writes "Beginning last September, all vehicles sold in the US have been required to have Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS) installed. An article up at HexView enumerates privacy issues introduced by TPMS, and some of them look pretty scary. Did you know that traffic sensors on highways can be adopted to read TPMS data and track individual vehicles? How about an explosive device that sets itself off when the right vehicle passes nearby? TPMS has been discussed in the past, but I haven't seen its privacy implications analyzed before. Fortunately the problem is easy to fix: encrypt TPMS data the way keyless entry systems do."

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  1. Finally, an April Fools story!!! by jollyreaper · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is a joke, I hope. *crosses fingers*

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    1. Re:Finally, an April Fools story!!! by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "Fortunately the problem is easy to fix: encrypt TPMS data the way keyless entry systems do."

      How about another easy fix. Just disable the fscking thing.....

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  2. RFID tracking by nguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Tires already come with RFID tags, which can also be read and tracked remotely. Cars probably also emit all sorts of other unique signals that can be recognized and tracked.

    Of course, cars also come with this thing called a "license plate", which can also be tracked remotely and wirelessly.

    Basically, if you drive, you can be tracked.

    1. Re:RFID tracking by Introspective · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Basically, if you drive, you can be tracked. No. Certain objects attached to the car might be able to be tracked. There is a big difference between tracking tires, license plates, etc. and tracking people. A distinction which most posters seem to have ignored in their paranoia.

    2. Re:RFID tracking by Cid+Highwind · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Mostly because it's a distinction that's sure to be ignored by law-enforcement types too. Ever recieved a photo-radar, red light or toll-evasion ticket? It doesn't matter who was driving, if your car was at the scene of the crime you're responsible for the fine.

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    3. Re:RFID tracking by Detritus · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Catching someone moving between point a and point b in 5.5 minutes, where point a and point b are 10km apart, equating to an average speed of ~110kph is much smarter - there is no doubt that the car in question was traveling over the speed limit for a sustained period of time.

      You are assuming that there are no discontinuities in the space-time continuum. I never leave home without my wormhole generator.

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  3. Hmmm.... by Otter · · Score: 3, Insightful
    How about an explosive device that sets itself off when the right vehicle passes nearby?

    Outside of Lebanon, I don't see this as being a huge concern. (And calling it a "privacy" issue seems a bit of an understatement.) The local governments aren't sufficiently motivated to fill potholes, let alone install IEDs specifically targeted at me.

  4. An easier solution... by porkmusket · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Remove the sensors and ignore the warning light. It's how I do things when I've got the winter wheels on, because I didn't feel like spending $400 for another set of sensors.

  5. The "solution" is not so simple. by hedronist · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "Fortunately the problem is easy to fix: encrypt TPMS data the way keyless entry systems do."

    Unfortunately, there is a major difference here: failure to encrypt keyless entry resulted in stolen cars (something which caught people's attention and pissed them off), whereas you'll never even notice that your TPMS isn't encrypted. People are incredibly lazy and only take action when they perceive a threat to their person or property. Liberty? As Dick Cheney would say, "So?"

    I'll bet adding encryption would cost the manufacturers $0.01 per tire (or some equally trivial amount), which they will claim will ruin them. Nobody else (except for a bunch of whiny, personal liberty freaks) will care about this and it will quietly become ubiquitous.

    Besides, if you aren't doing anything illegal, why should you care who takes note of your comings and goings. We're here to help you and we certainly can't do that unless we know where you are ... at all times ...

  6. Re:Get outta town by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am guarnateed totally 100% anonymity anywhere I go in public! It's a guarnateed right in the USA Constitution. Don't give me any of this "I can see you" bS!!!!!!!! Being seen and identified by a person or agent of the government on the street is one thing - that's how its been for thousands of years.

    Having every movement of every person on the street automatically recorded, indexed and cataloged into nationwide databases without the any human intervention is a completely different matter - that's a recipe for totalitarianism.

    Right now, we are rapidly barreling down the road from how its been for thousands of years to the ultimate totalitarian state with very little good to show for it beyond political rhetoric.
  7. Run flat tires need TPMS by enosys · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The article asks why would NHTSA choose TPMS and not run-flat technology. Run-flat tires cannot be used indefinitely while uninflated or underinflated. Generally, in such situations the sidewall supports the load, and the resulting stress on the sidewall damages it, eventually leading to failure. Furthermore, you might not be able to see that the tire isn't properly inflated. In order to prevent people from driving on underinflated run-flat tires until a catastrophic failure and possible accident, TPMS is required. Oh, and run-flat tires have other disadvantages too.

  8. Huh? by seanadams.com · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is a big difference between tracking tires, license plates, etc. and tracking people.

    In what way is tracking a person's possessions NOT a damned effective way of tracking the person?!?!

    Do complete strangers drive your car often? So you see no need for concern until a tracking device is implanted directly into your skull?

  9. Re:Part of me feels paranoid now... by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes the use of flash triggers is interesting as it was used get the British Army's radio jamming devices
    The real fun is who first thought of it :-)
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article1530661.ece

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