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Qutrits Bring Quantum Computers Closer

KentuckyFC writes "To do anything useful with quantum logic gates, you need dozens to hundreds of them, all joined together. And because of various errors and problems that creep in, that's more or less impossible with today's technology. Now an Australian group has built and tested logic gates that convert qubits into qutrits (three-level quantum states) before processing and then convert them back again. That makes them far more powerful. The group says that a quantum computer that might require 50 conventional quantum logic gates can now be built with just 9 of the new gates. What's more, the gates process photons using nothing more than standard linear optical components (abstract on the physics arxiv)."

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  1. Personal cryptography users should be disappointed by CRCulver · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Throughout the heyday of personal encryption, when Zimmerman was maintaining PGP and Bruce Schneier's Applied Cryptography was released, we kept hearing about how it would take thousands or millions of years to crack just one PGP message. Now we hear that computers that could break these messages might be relatively just around the corner. It's got to be a real disappointment and source of worry to people who did use PGP to encode the secrets that they are desparate to hide.

  2. Re:Wow by CogDissident · · Score: 2, Informative

    A "gate" is roughly the equivalent of a transistor. Kind of. Think of it like a lot of transistors all put together.

  3. Re:Wow by peragrin · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh it's simple. The cat could be not only alive or dead, but also could be on life support.

    Or maybe the cat will be spinning because someone stapled a piece of bread with jam onto the cat's back.

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  4. convert qubits into qutrits...far more powerful by pushing-robot · · Score: 3, Funny

    Naturally, I read that as "qutits" the first time.

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    1. Re:convert qubits into qutrits...far more powerful by AaxelB · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just as the hard-wiring of binary mathematics spun the entire twentieth century about a simple yes-no axis, the invention of the three-state switch promised to revolutionize twenty-fifth century computing. After all, with three states (negative, positive, and null charges) on nanoswitches, computers could now think in terms of yes, no, and maybe, greatly humanizing their internal logic.

      This would have brought many, many more female engineers into the field of computer science (hence accelerating the pace at which computers could do useful things besides transmit, compress, and enhance pornography), except that the same abbreviational logic that turned "binary digit" into "bit" turned "trinary digit" into "tit." This nomenclatural error set computing back nearly three hundred years, and two entire generations of promising computer scientists were lost trying to keep abreast of bad puns. Courtesy of the genius at Schlock
  5. Re:Wow by scubamage · · Score: 3, Funny

    No fair, you changed the state of the cat by measuring it!

  6. All they need to do is.. by s0litaire · · Score: 2, Funny

    Give the computer a nice cup of hot tea. From Douglas Adams "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" "If he thought to himself, such a machine is a virtual impossibility, then it must logically be a finite improbability. So all I have to do in order to make one is to work out exactly how improbable it is, feed that into the finite improbability generator, give it a fresh cup of really hot tea...and turn it on!"

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  7. What it means by usul294 · · Score: 3, Informative

    What this is basically saying is that instead of operating a quantum computer with 2 levels, 0 and 1, they are operating with 3, 0,1,2 lets say. According to my computer architecture prof 3 levels is the most efficient way of making computers, from a number of components standpoint. Its hard thinking in base-3, because things like inverters become meaningless. AND and OR gates still work with a reasonable amount of understanding. Things like multiplexers and decoders make sense. If you can get into the macroscopic level of design its pretty understandable. You can use 3 trit words to do base-27 in a similar way to using 4 bit words and hex.

    1. Re:What it means by mblase · · Score: 5, Informative

      Interesting, why is base-3 more efficient than base-2? I seem to recall that the dropoff was base-4 but I don't recall any real net advantages to base-3. It's called ternary logic, and it's been widely researched if rarely implemented. It seems to be built on the notion that a thing can be true, false, or unknown/irrelevant.

      Think of an SQL database, where a field can be TRUE or FALSE; however, if you didn't set up default values, it can also be NULL, neither true nor false. Or in mathematics, where a value can be GREATER THAN, LESS THAN, or EQUAL TO -- three mutually exclusive states. These aren't circuit-based examples, but it does illustrate how ternary logic can be routinely applied.
    2. Re:What it means by lenester · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Interesting, why is base-3 more efficient than base-2?
      Because 3 is closer approximation of e than 2.
  8. Re:Linux??? by hansraj · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yes and No.

  9. Re:Wow by hansraj · · Score: 5, Informative

    The word "gates" has almost the same meaning in quantum computing as in the classical computing. In classical computing a gate operates on a set of bits and changes them to another set of bits. In quantum computing it is the same with qubits playing the role of bits.

    Of course funny things are possible in quantum computing. For example it is possible to make a "square root of not" gate, that when applied *twice* to the qubit |1> produces |0> and vice versa. Applying once creates something else (the square root of not in some sense).

    One particularly handy way to think of quantum gates is to think of them as a matrix (operator) that operates on a vector (input qubit) to produce another vector (output qubit) just by multiplication. So if A is some quantum gate (matrix) and u is input qubit (vector) the the output qubit (vector) v = A*u . The matrix A needs to satisfy some technical requirements that gives quantum computing some nice features (like every algorithm is fully reversible and so on), but those details are not needed to get a rough idea. :)

  10. Re:Linux??? by ZenDragon · · Score: 2, Funny

    Thats: Yes, No, and Both! All at the same time! Ahh the marvels of quantum computing!

  11. Re:Personal cryptography users should be disappoin by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes and no. I mean, the problem that you point out is only exists because a quantum computer is cracking an encryption that had to run in reasonable time on today's computers. But quantum computers don't have to be just one way like that... now you would have at your disposal a computer that can run encryption that would take thousands or millions of years on todays machines, on your data.

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  12. Re:Personal cryptography users should be disappoin by Cheeko · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Somewhat. Private key schemes are still secure.

    The real power of quantum computing will be in factoring primes. Which most certainly will affect public key crypto, but public key was never the FULL solution. Like anything in crypto different problems have different solutions.

    Public key crypto is great in the web age because you can use it for establishing connections, exchanging private keys, etc.

    One of the first things you learn in any crypto grad class is that creating the crypto schemes is only part of the problem. Creating the usage scheme is the other. Most man in the middle and other such attacks can defeat the algorithms by which we use crypto far easier than we can defeat the encryption itself. (or just social engineer your way past it)

    While it does suck a bit that the heyday of public key crypto might come to an end because of quantum computing, some other scheme will take its place. Perhaps someone will come up with a key gen scheme that doesn't rely on the difficulty of factoring large primes and instead some other mathematical relationship that quantum computing won't be able to stop.

    Perhaps the optimal solution will be a mix. Perhaps each public key will in fact be 2 operations. One large prime factor to defeat traditional systems, combined with some as yet created scheme that stops quantum systems (but may be easy to beat on a tradition system).

    As with all things, crypto will adapt. Perhaps one day we'll figure out a way using quantum mechanics to create true OTP encryption. Maybe 2 entangled particles or something (I know technically this is impossible, but just making the point maybe there's something we don't know yet that will help us in the future implement todays theoretically impossible/infeasible crypto)

  13. Re:IANAQCRoM by Ctrl-Z · · Score: 2, Informative

    I trust you read the summary. The neat thing about this is that you need fewer gates to do the operations with qutrits than with qubits. Fewer gates means that the machine is easier (or even possible) to construct. It seems to me that it is a short-term gain. As you point out, you are doing more work to achieve the same outcome, although I don't know where you pulled your numbers from. It's not a 50% increase in processing; they were able to do the work of 50 gates with a mere 9, which is a five-fold increase in processing.

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  14. Re:Wow by grammar+fascist · · Score: 5, Informative

    Too bad I lost my mod points yesterday. This is the kind of thing people actually come to Slashdot for. I'll just have to try to contribute instead.

    Here's some further detail for those interested: the |1> and |0> qubits are actually vectors of probabilities. (Well, probability "amplitudes". More on that later.) The |0> bit means [1 0] and the |1> bit means [0 1]. The "|.>" notation is a bit of convenient shorthand.

    If you have two qubits, you'd represent them as |00>, meaning [1 0 0 0]. (That's four possibilities for the qubits, and all the probability mass on the first: both off.) |01> means [0 1 0 0], |000> means [1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0], and so on. Note the exponential growth.

    A quantum gate is nothing more than an operator of the same type that governs all discrete quantum system evolution: a unitary matrix. Think of a rotation matrix of rank 2**(number-of-bits), but in complex space. It's got to be some kind of rotation - it must preserve length - to preserve the property that the qubit states and combined qubit states are probability (amplitude) distributions.

    A "square root of NOT", IIRC, is an operator (rotation) that turns [1 0] (or |0>) into [sqrt(1/2) -sqrt(1/2)]. Do it again, and you get [0 1]. Again, and you get [-sqrt(1/2) sqrt(1/2)], and again yields the original [1 0]. (I may have some signs wrong.)

    The reason this cycle works at all is that the states aren't probabilities per se, but sort of square roots of probabilities, which allows them to keep extra information. This is called "phase". Much of the exciting weirdness of computing with quantum gates is that phase isn't strictly real, but in general has imaginary components.

    The other exciting weirdness is of the massively parallel sort. If I do a computation on [sqrt(1/2) -sqrt(1/2)], it's sort of like doing the same computation on [1 0] and [0 1] in parallel. The tricky part is that measuring the outcome restricts me to just one of the results! One way to express the dilemma is that I can compute an answer for every possible input simultaneously (which would be great for solving NP problems), but that I can't easily select the right answer.

    Another way to express it is to say that the cat is in a superposition of dead/alive, which will localize when I observe the poor beast. :)

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