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Microsoft Sets Three Week Deadline for Yahoo! In Public Letter

An anonymous reader writes "In a letter sent today, Microsoft writes to Yahoo's board of directors to tell them that they would like to 'negotiate a definitive agreement on a combination of our companies.' Their message is a combination of friend and foe: 'If we have not concluded an agreement within the next three weeks, we will be compelled to take our case directly to your shareholders.'"

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  1. Well, it was nice knowing you Yahoo... by HerculesMO · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Which means frankly, that MS is going to own Yahoo.

    I don't know if this is good or bad, but time will tell... The shareholders hear only the sounds that money makes, and they are going to sell out quickly, especially in the midst of this recession.

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    1. Re:Well, it was nice knowing you Yahoo... by calebt3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Buying yahoo still won't turn their late entry into the web services* market into anything profitable. And the downside is? ;-)
    2. Re:Well, it was nice knowing you Yahoo... by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, but it may just kill off Yahoo! which will be a shame.

      Time to find another place to host my discussion groups, and a new chat network.

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    3. Re:Well, it was nice knowing you Yahoo... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Bullets are meant to be shot, chairs aren't.

    4. Re:Well, it was nice knowing you Yahoo... by digital19 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No joke! Scanning msn.com right now the headline is 'is she divorced or just single, why it matters' and the three 'Popular Searches' are Naomi Campbell, Magnum P.I. and Mega Millions.

      What gutter demographic are they looking for with this? They should look at their absolute cr#$ tabloid journalism and lack of any substantial news as probable reasons why people choose yahoo over msn/hotmail.

      Instead they'll take over a company and wonder why it crashes in to the ground in a few years time.

    5. Re:Well, it was nice knowing you Yahoo... by tyrione · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which means frankly, that MS is going to own Yahoo. I don't know if this is good or bad, but time will tell... The shareholders hear only the sounds that money makes, and they are going to sell out quickly, especially in the midst of this recession.

      Fortunately, for Yahoo shareholders Microsoft's stock is so diluted and volumetrically reached a point of saturation [they really should have taken Jackson's ruling and split into 4 separate corporations] that the upside of stock price potential is virtually within +/- 10 ticker points.

      If Yahoo shareholders are looking for a solid Dividend Stock they'd already own Microsoft. They are looking for a ROI that has a large upside and Yahoo has that leverage.

    6. Re:Well, it was nice knowing you Yahoo... by jorghis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No joke! Scanning msn.com right now the headline is 'is she divorced or just single, why it matters' ....What gutter demographic are they looking for with this? Guys who date and like to read articles about things that they do. Dont worry, you would never see something along these lines on a website like slashdot. :)

      Incidentally, one of the headlines on yahoo right now is "Find inexpensive date ideas" so its not like they are really all that different.
    7. Re:Well, it was nice knowing you Yahoo... by AJWM · · Score: 2, Insightful

      $X worth of MS shares is just as good as $X.

      No, it ain't, because the value of MS shares varies according to the whim of the market. Now, that could mean that $X worth (nominal, at the instantaneous market price) could be even better than $X, or it could be worse. Certainly if a lot of people thought that "you can just sell them the instant you get them", they'd be worse than cash because the sudden dump of shares for sale on the market would drag the price down. (You've also got to figure in broker fees, etc).

      There's also the consideration that if it's MS that's offering the shares, then they're doing it from their own holdings -- thus diluting the value of existing stockholder-held MSFT shares.

      All this uncertainty means risk, whis is a factor by which you have to discount the value of those MSFT shares being offered vs the "equivalent" value in cash. Personally, I'd rather just have the cash.

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  2. Re:And then there were N..... by jmpeax · · Score: 3, Insightful

    a world of open-source I don't see a world of open source. I see a world of closed source in which open source is making some small (but significant) strides.
  3. Re:oh teh noes!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't think you understand. In a publicly held company, the shareholders own the company. If they want money (and they do), they'll just vote out the board at Yahoo and vote in one that is in favor of being bought out.

  4. Re:Shit or get off the pot. by borgheron · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sitting on the sidelines and saying what someone should do with a company they've built up from the ashes is very easy for you, but you have to consider what they're thinking. The people who founded Yahoo are free thinkers.

    Yahoo is thought of (or was, during the boom) almost like Google is today. It's hard to build something from nothing and then have someone threaten to take it away like this. MS is strong arming them. They're basically saying "Sell or we'll take you over by rousing your stock holders" which is just business... but you have to really consider it from the perspective of the people who have created and grown with the company from the beginning.

    If I were the yahoo management, I would be fighting MS with everything I have and looking for an alternate deal to screw them.

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  5. Shareholders are supposed to sell ... by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The shareholders hear only the sounds that money makes, and they are going to sell out quickly, ...

    Shareholders are supposed to sell when they receive an advantageous offer. Advantageous being a return that is more likely greater than holding the stock. What do you think shareholders are, some sort of fanboys? More importantly, why do think the founders of the company went public and brought in shareholders, it was so that the founders could pocket a lot of money. So now the story that the founders sold to the shareholders turns out not to be true, and the shareholders are looking for their best option. This is the way public financing works.

    ... especially in the midst of this recession.

    The motivation to sell in this specific case is not the recession but a failed business model.

    FWIW, the midst of a recession is usually the time to buy. The onset of a recession is usually the time to sell.

    1. Re:Shareholders are supposed to sell ... by MikeBabcock · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Although I do frequently have to point out to people how the whole concept of publicly traded companies works, I must disagree with you on this point; Shareholders are not supposed to do anything. Shareholders are of course free to do whatever they want (with obvious illegalities like insider trading aside), but there is no "thou shalt" commandments list for shareholders.

      Personally, more shareholders should behave as what they are -- partial owners of the company, and therefore do what they believe is right for the company, the public, the environment, as they see fit, not just the bottom line, but they can buy or sell the stock whenever they like if they feel like doing so and have a seller/buyer available to do so.

      Basically, if most of your shareholders don't want the company sold because they think its a bad idea even if it IS financially advantageous, then good for them, and it won't sell.

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    2. Re:Shareholders are supposed to sell ... by saleenS281 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      BWAHAHAH, you had me for a minute there!!! Oh... you were serious :( Welcome to the *free market* where the quick dollar is the mighty sword.

  6. Re:Shit or get off the pot. by digital19 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think that's exactly it. People want to frame this as 'it's a good deal now that we're in a recession'... as if economics was the only motivational factor behind anyones' existence.

    I would imagine Jerry Yang finds himself opposed to many of Microsoft's core operating principles.

    Undoubtedly, he will cringe when he types yahoo.com into his browser a few years from now.

  7. Re:Shit or get off the pot. by jorghis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The founders and management of Yahoo dont own the company, it isnt their decision nor should it be. The founders made the decision that they wanted to go public and basically sell the company to others. Sure, they built it from ashes, but they made the decision to sell it. (for quite a bit of money too)

    What is becoming apparant now is that they really just wanted all the money they got from selling the company to the general public, they didnt actually want other people to be the real owners of the company. You cant have your cake and eat it too, if you sell controlling shares of your company you have to accept that you cant just do whatever you want to with it, you have an obligation to act in the best interests of the shareholders. (the real owners of the company) If the founder of a company cant accept that he should just keep his company private.

  8. Re:Shit or get off the pot. by pclminion · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They're basically saying "Sell or we'll take you over by rousing your stock holders" which is just business... but you have to really consider it from the perspective of the people who have created and grown with the company from the beginning.

    Boo-hoo. Those poor, poor billionaires. Their lives will have been meaningless.

    Don't want to be subject to hostile takeovers? Don't go public. And good luck making a few billion.

  9. Driving the price down by HalAtWork · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Are they trying to drive the share price down? Is it against the law to put a company in uncertainty and controversy just for your own ends?

  10. Re:And then there were N..... by Ant+P. · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In a world of closed source glass-clad skyscrapers, open source is the concrete and steel. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not there.

  11. Re:And then there were N..... by westlake · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Two companies scrambling to maintain relevance, control and faltering business models in a world of open-source...

    a faltering business model isn't generally associated with a company that is reporting 15% growth in revenues in the states, 20% in the EU and 30% in places like China - each quarter.

  12. Re:What does Yahoo have that MS wants? by westlake · · Score: 4, Insightful
    What the hell does Yahoo have that MS wants so badly?

    about 16 million unique visitors to its web sites each month.

  13. Re:Antitrust someone? by Kalriath · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, because there is still large competition in the field (Google, AOL)

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  14. Re:Shit or get off the pot. by Atario · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Don't want to be subject to hostile takeovers? Don't go public. And good luck making a few billion.
    More specifically, don't sell a majority interest of your company -- retain that 51% for yourself. Can still make billions, but don't risk getting strong-armed out of your own company.
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  15. Re:Well, it was nice knowing Zimbra too... by BOFHelsinki · · Score: 2, Insightful

    YPL also requires the preservation of all copyright and attribution notices within modified versions of the ZCS Open Source Edition.

    You should have bolded this part. I skimmed over it twice before it hit me how much it means.

  16. Zimbra by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What the hell does Yahoo have that MS wants so badly?

    Zimbra is the significant viable competition to Exchange, which is Microsoft's stranglehold on 'enterprise' computing. This group would like the government to stop the deal on anti-competitiveness grounds.

    I think Yahoo! knew what would happen when they bought Zimbra and they know how important it is ($$$) for Microsoft to own it.

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