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A Decade of OSS, 10 Years After the Summit

Jacob's ladder writes "Ten years ago this week, the Free Software Summit arguably marked the beginning of today's OSS movement. Ars Technica interviews many of those in attendance when the revolution began. John Ousterhout, creator of the Tcl scripting language and Tk toolkit and founder of Electric Cloud was there, and notes how much the landscape has changed. 'When I made my first open-source release in the early 1980s (VLSI chip design tools from Berkeley), there were probably less than five open-source projects in the world. By the time of the first O'Reilly conference, there were dozens; now there are probably thousands. Also, open-source software has received substantial mainstream acceptance. 10 years ago, people were suspicious or afraid of it; now it is widely embraced.'"

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  1. Huge success by moderatorrater · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even without the acceptance of Linux on the desktop, there's no doubt that open source has been a ridiculously huge success since then. Equal acceptance (at least) as a server OS, it runs the majority of web servers and web scripting languages. Overall, a very successful life so far. I'm excited to see where it ends up ten years from now.

    1. Re:Huge success by junglee_iitk · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, all the computers in my institute run on Linux.

      Almost all of the supercomputers run Linux or BSD.[1]

      As John Ousterhout said: "The second problem I have seen (really more of a limitation) is that open-source software hasn't broken out of the "tools and systems" arena."
      So while I can give you that, it makes me think about Apache, Firefox, MySQL etc.

      So, yeah, "open source has been a ridiculously huge success".

    2. Re:Huge success by gnick · · Score: 4, Informative

      To be fair, GPP was referring to Linux on the desktop. With the exception of gaming, the examples you game were not desktop apps - And most gamers use Windows.

      I'm a huge Linux fan but, despite the progress it's making, the truth is that it has not yet gained widespread acceptance as a desktop OS.

      Of course, it does appear that GPP misunderstood moderatorrater's post as implying that Linux had desktop acceptance when in fact, he'd admitted just the opposite...

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    3. Re:Huge success by bzipitidoo · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, I don't think the picture is like you paint it.

      I don't work for free. I prefer to write code that is released under the GPL, but not for free. Someone pays me to write such software because they have a use for it. In the past, too much of the code I've written for employers ends up rotting. They change systems, and bury or destroy old stuff for a variety of reasons that are mostly antisocial. It can be good to make a fresh start, but that's not what concerns them. They worry that competitors or lawsuit minded customers could do something with any such info. They are dismissive of reasons why it would be to their benefit to not lock up or destroy old software.

      Avoid reinventing the wheel? That's the broken window fallacy. We don't like that when businesses try to pull that crap on us. A good example of that is being pushed to buy our music collections all over again to get them in a new format, as happened in the move from vinyl to CD, but which shouldn't be necessary to go from CD to mp3 or even worse from mp3 on old computer to same mp3 on new computer. Except possibly some tit for tat retaliation, most of us are not going to be hypocrites and try to pull that on businesses! We will show them a good example by not being antisocial. Yes, there can be some short term gain to sharp dealing, but long term, it's foolish. Just look at Microsoft. Yes, I know they've been very successful, but where are they going? You should not fear that we'll run out of work to do either.

      Don't own our own work? Darn right! But no one else owns or can own it either. Unlike some businesses, we relinquish control and require they do so too, so that all our customers need not fear that someone will make abusive but legal (maybe) use of copyright to deny them use of software they have purchased. Otherwise a rival may be able to hurt them by acquiring the rights in some fashion, either by forcing them or us to sell the "ownership" of the software, or by buying us. Or fear that there will be no choice but to start over if the main programmer is "hit by a bus".

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    4. Re:Huge success by Orange+Crush · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Still, saying Linux (and FOSS in general) isn't a huge success because it hasn't taken over the desktop is kindof like saying ants are an ineffective species because few people keep them as pets.

  2. *Amazing* spinoffs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm a huge fan of OSS, but what I love even more are the spin-off movements, namely the open content projects. Of those, the two I love most are Wikipedia (of course) and the just ramping-up Metagovernment project. Together, these are in the process of completely transforming how human society operates.

  3. Re:Long Live OSS by moderatorrater · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The most expensive OS ever developed by the largest OS maker in history was produced just to allow Microsoft to buy an overall mediocre online company? Vista's not doing as badly as it could, but it will cost the company millions in revenue at least, and the loss of brand prestige will do millions if not billions of dollars of damage if vista's widely considered a failure. I'm going to guess that your guess is wrong.

  4. I remember those days by zappepcs · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There was also freeware, trialware, crippleware, shareware, talk of varying types of licenses, and anything you didn't pay for normally came with caveats that fall into the 'you get what you pay for' category. So, yes, there was a lot of suspicion about OSS because of all that it was competing with.

    That was even before MS had killed off all of its serious competitors.

    Then there was just MS and Windows developers. There were a few areas of competition but Windows was just a far cry above what DOS programs were doing at the time. Do you remember paradox? Qbase? WordPerfect? WordStar? Novell? 10Base5 ethernet?

    I'm quite glad that OSS has made it this far and one so much.

  5. Last ditch effort for companies going south by Rabbit_Fish · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The one quote that really bugged me is the following one from Ousterhout:

    > The third thing that has negatively impressed me is
    > that open source is often used as a desperate last-ditch
    > effort for loser software. If a product is doing poorly
    > in the marketplace, sometimes companies release it as
    > open source, hoping that will somehow magically revive
    > it and make it widely used. This almost never works.

    Does this guy not realize that Firefox was born from Netscape going south? I'm sure there are other examples out there, but how obvious does one need to be?

  6. Correction to the article title by Macthorpe · · Score: 4, Informative
    Just one letter, nothing big:

    Ten years ago this week, the Free Software Summit arguably marked the beginning of today's FOSS movement. Considering the BSD license was published about 8 years before that, I think the only thing the summit marked was the politicisation of the Open Source Software movement, not it's creation.

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  7. you're dumb by moderatorrater · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ok, I'm a heretic And a jackass. I said that linux hasn't been accepted on the desktop. Firefox is the only app that has had much success with the average user, and it's not very high.

    I don't think spin and wishful thinking furthers anyones aims I was referencing its success in the server/web/language market, where it's the leader. Apache's the #1 server on the web, php is the #1 language on the web, with ruby and perl also in the rankings. If you work on the web, you can't get away from open source.

    I may be trolling or flaming you, but that doesn't change the fact that you're dead wrong and missed the meat of my post.
  8. Open Source 'half-century' coming up? by argent · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The open source movement was already well under way before the Open Source summit. It was already well on its way before the GNU manifesto and the founding of the FSF. There's a perception that it's big events like these that "created" the open source movement. That's not so, it's the open source movement that's created the possibility of big exciting events.

    Even people talking about f/l/oss before these events seem to miss it. for example, Ousterhout's comment "When I made my first open-source release in the early 1980s (VLSI chip design tools from Berkeley), there were probably less than five open-source projects in the world."

    The Software Tools applications and libraries date back to the '70s. So does Emacs. So do the enormous collection of software published in Dr Dobbs' journal. So do the DECUS and other user group tapes. Much of this was game software, but it also included free compilers and interpreters (Forth, Small C, Tiny C, Tiny Basic, Tiny Pascal), editors (including emacs), operating system monitors (and early attempts at UNIX workalikes), and networks. Usenet was an open source project, and there were soon open source gateways between Usenet and networks like Fidonet... and one of the earliest Usenet groups was "net.sources".

    I would say the first open source decade was the '70s, though in a way it's as old as the computer industry: "in 1971, I became part of a software-sharing community that had existed for many years" -- Richard Stallman. It's been argued that it wasn't really until the '70s that closed source really got under way, so one might say that it was the creation of a binary, non-shared, closed-source software industry that created what became the open-source movement (under whatever name you like).

    So depending on whether you include the '60s, we're coming up on the end of the 4th or 5th "open source decade", the '00s. Not the first.

  9. Open Source is new? by jc42 · · Score: 5, Informative

    When I made my first open-source release in the early 1980s ..., there were probably less than five open-source projects in the world.

    You've missed a lot of computing history. Maybe the capitalized phrase "Open Source" was new, but the practice wasn't. For instance, before the mini/micro-computer "revolution", I worked on a number of IBM mainframes, all of which used VM as their main OS. VM originated in academia, and its source was always available to anyone interested. Of course, not too many people wanted it unless they had an IBM mainframe. Most such installations had a VM guru on the staff, and the VM gurus I knew were quite open with their source.

    Around the same time, on one such machines, the engineering staff brought in Amdahl's unix system, which ran on VM of course. When we asked about source, the reply was "That's not an option; you get it whether you want it or not." "Open Source" may not have been a catch phrase yet, but Amdahl was happy to have customers with employees who could read the source, since that made their support job a lot easier. In fact, I sent them a kernel bug fix about a month after we got the system installed; I got back a nice "Thanks!" letter and was added to their published list of code contributors.

    A more accurate history would be that open source was quite common before the mid-1980s, but it didn't need a name. Software vendors routinely gave source to customers who wanted it, with the expectation that customers would find and fix bugs and maybe add new features. One of Microsoft's innovations was to hold their source as proprietary, so as not to allow customers to improve the software. A lot of people were amazed that customers actually accepted this. You heard a lot of questions like "Would they buy a truck or car that couldn't be worked on by any mechanics except the manufacturer's?" But then, when it became clear that Microsoft had gotten away with such a dodgy scheme, it was quickly adopted by others, so that customers would have to pay them for patching up the bugs.

    It still sorta amazes me that customers can be so dense as to pay money for products that can't be repaired by anyone but the manufacturer (and usually now not even by them). So much for the economists' idea of a rational marketplace.

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  10. I'm to blame as well. by argent · · Score: 4, Informative

    And why is the Tcl interpreter so brain-dead?

    Because it's simple. Deliberately so. It's inspired by Lisp.

    There's 11 rules that define the complete syntax for Tcl, everything else including control structures is built up on top of that.

    I'm responsible for some of the complexity that IS in there, originally there wasn't a distinction between {...} lists and "..." strings at all: I'm the one who suggested that variable substitution be allowed inside "...".

    But if you have an expression like
    set foo "bar"; # (oops forgot a closing paren
    it will refuse to work.


    No, that one's OK, but if you have
    set foo "bar"; # {oops forgot a closing brace
    it may not work.

    The reason is that the parsing of comments happens at the block level, but the parsing of blocks happens at the list level. So {# this list happens to start with "pound sign"} is a list. The fact that that list might happen to be code as well doesn't make a difference when it's parsing lists.

  11. This article is nuts! by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Informative

    After the announcement, Netscape assembled a group experts to participate in a strategy session at which the term "open source" was first conceived. The participants also assembled a new philosophy that reconciled the ideological principles of software freedom with the pragmatism of commercial software development. The Open Source Initiative (OSI) was then founded to supply and maintain an official definition for the open source philosophy.

    No part of this paragraph is true. The OSI had existed for two months when this summit convened. The term Open Source was concieved in a meeting at VA Linux Systems by Christine Petersen.

    Bruce