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HP Unveils Small Commercial Linux Laptop

Ryan writes "HP had unveiled their version of a miniaturized laptop for school kids. The tiny device boasts speeds up to 1.6 gigahertz. They haven't yet decided on a name, but 'netbooks' is one possibility. They will be used for surfing the Internet and doing other basic tasks like word processing. The company plans to have 50 million units available in the marketplace by 2011. Optical drives have been left out to prevent kids from playing 'unauthorized games.' Weighing less than 3 pounds with a tiny 8.9 inch screen, the machines start below $500 for a Linux-based model. Prices are expected to be higher for Windows Vista models."

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  1. 500 bucks? by geekoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Try again.

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    1. Re:500 bucks? by snl2587 · · Score: 4, Funny

      With inflation that will be about $4 in 2008 dollars by 2011.

  2. 1.6GHz? by Lord+Grey · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From TFA:

    ... Prices go up for Windows Vista models with faster processors.

    The processors HP is using are made by Via Technologies Inc., the distant third-ranked player in the microprocessor space, and come in clock speeds up to 1.6 gigahertz. ...

    I interpret that as saying that the non-Vista machines will be running a slower processor while the Vista versions get the 1.6GHz model. My son's Toshiba laptop, purchased this last Christmas, runs Vista at about that speed. It sucks. (That's a unanimous opinion among all members of our household, geeks and non-geeks alike. Even the cats hate it.)

    Won't someone really think of the children for once?

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    1. Re:1.6GHz? by Sockatume · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The reviews seem to suggest that although the 1.6GHz CPU can run Vista Business perfectly soundly, it keeps the temps high and the fan running and only gets a scant 2 hours out of the basic battery. So it probably shouldn't be on Vista.

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    2. Re:1.6GHz? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      My son's Toshiba laptop, purchased this last Christmas, runs Vista at about that speed. It sucks. (That's a unanimous opinion among all members of our household, geeks and non-geeks alike. Even the cats hate it.

      Well they would, wouldn't they? Everybody knows cats need fast processors to run extra grammar and spelling checks. For a cat, being caught spelling something incorrectly is the height of humiliation.

    3. Re:1.6GHz? by WhiteWolf666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They did.

      That's why they ship Linux

      ASUS's EeePc has the bigger manufactures salivating. Their nothing thinking standard desktop/laptop replacement, they're trying to look at alternative markets.

      Disposable computers, super-light-weight computers, computers for Grandma/Grandpa, and network-only computers.

      These are all areas in which Vista cannot compete at a given price range, and are separate market segments from traditional computing. The only problem (for Microsoft) is that if Linux catches on in all these spaces, Linux will finally have a strong niche from which to leap into the mainstream market.

      If there are 50-150 million lightweight, 1+ ghz Linux laptops out there with a GMA X3100 or equivalent graphics chip; then there's a beautiful market for software. Games included.

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    4. Re:1.6GHz? by dubbreak · · Score: 5, Funny

      For a cat, being caught spelling something incorrectly is the height of humiliation.


      wut dat u sez?

      I can has werd chekerz?

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    5. Re:1.6GHz? by DarkSarin · · Score: 4, Funny

      Are you _certain_ the cats hate it? I mean they are cats. They may just artfully disdain it, as per their usual stance. Cats don't usually hate much of anything. Frankly I think if the cats had decided that they hated Vista, we'd see that microsoft would already be in flames by now. No my friend, I fear the day cats actually wake from their millenia of apathy and begin to actually hate. When that happens we shall all die a painful death. Their studied indifference to our human and insignificant lives is vastly preferred to any notice that they might take of us.

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    6. Re:1.6GHz? by AndGodSed · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ironic that the more expensive model will run slower than the cheaper model, will feature more restrictive licensing and the user will not be able to tweak it as much as the cheaper version...

    7. Re:1.6GHz? by slimjim8094 · · Score: 5, Funny

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  3. for $500 i could get... by Spy+Handler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    a core2duo laptop with a 120gb HDD and a DVD rewritable drive... not to mention a 15.6inch screen -_-

    1. Re:for $500 i could get... by an.echte.trilingue · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, but children have different needs. They will etch their names in the case, drop it, routinely hold it by the lid, drop it, spill stuff on it, drop it, get that cookie-saliva goo mixture from their fingers on it, etc. For a child, a tough slow box is worth more than a fragile powerful machine.

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  4. Optical left out because of games huh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Right, cause we all know how many games there are floating around out there for Linux... on optical media no less...

    "See? See? It's a feature, not a deficiency!"

  5. Correction to summary by JustinOpinion · · Score: 4, Informative
    From the summary:

    They haven't yet decided on a name, but 'netbooks' is one possibility.
    That implies that HP hasn't named their new device yet. Actually TFA describes it thus:

    The machines are so new the industry hasn't settled on a name for low-cost and scaled-down laptops used primarily for surfing the Internet and performing other basic functions like word processing. Intel has labeled them "netbooks," and it expects more than 50 million netbooks to be in circulation by 2011.
    And later,

    HP's foray comes in the form of a new computer called a "Mini-Note"
    So HP's new computer is a "Mini-Note"... and the "netbook" term is a possible buzz-word to describe generically a very small laptops (I guess UMPC isn't sexy enough?).
  6. Games? by sootman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From TFA: HP executives say the only major feature its Mini-Note lacks is an optical drive for ingesting DVDs and CD-ROMs, which can be bought separately. But they say many schools requested the drives be left out to prevent students from playing unauthorized games.

    Um, what? Every time I go to the library, all the computers are occupied by kids playing a million different Flash games online. None of them are playing games that involve CDs. And plenty of small games can be run locally by saving the .SWF file, which one kid will figure out how to do in 5 minutes and the rest will know 2 seconds later.

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  7. Hey check this out! by symbolset · · Score: 4, Funny

    I just discovered a secret. Most schoolkids don't even live in the US. Shocker!

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  8. "Try Again" by Moryath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Optical drives have been left out to prevent kids from playing 'unauthorized games.'

    Of course, being kids, they will require ~30 seconds (maybe less) to figure out a way around this. USB optical drive / keychain drive? Check. Daemon Tools and ISO image? Check. No-CD Patch of whatever game they want to run? Check. Web games, bittorrent, whatever else their little hearts might desire? Check.

    I have a vision of 1,000s of kids sitting in school, on school-approved laptop, all endowed with MAME and console emulators... "and god looked down, and saw that it was good."

    Heh.

    1. Re:"Try Again" by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The day that a "kid" is able to run WOW or Counterstrike in WINE without an optical drive is the day that I'll fart dust and piss rust.

      Now that I've got you on record...

      WoW works, out of the box, on Wine, with maybe one small tweak -- and kids tend to tweak out their WoW anyway, as it's somewhat scriptable, in a few small, deliberate ways.

      It is possible, though unlikely, that a kid wouldn't be able to figure out how to install it from an ISO. Were that the case, all it takes is copying the .wine directory to wherever you need it to be, because once installed, it doesn't check for the CD -- being an MMO is much better copy protection than any CD scheme they could do.

      And remember, it only takes one kid to do that, throw it on his iPod, and teach the other kids the three or so steps that it'll take to copy it to the laptop's hard drive.

      If they really don't want people to play games, they should just give it a crappy video card... Oh wait, they plan to have a Vista model. Never mind.

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    2. Re:"Try Again" by qbzzt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Optical drives have been left out to prevent kids from playing 'unauthorized games.'

      How about "Optical drives have been left out to drive down the cost, but some marketing weenie thought it would sound better if the press release said it was for the children"?

      Engineering is about reality. Marketing is about perceptions.

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    3. Re:"Try Again" by el+americano · · Score: 4, Funny

      Relax, they didn't really leave the CD drive out to restrict the kids. They just found out it was a really good spin for the design decision to leave it out. Teachers love the idea that children won't be allowed to do something. They're thinking, "Now, they will respect my authority."

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  9. Troll? by WindBourne · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have worked for HP and have always been proud of the past HP. It was a VERY inventive company. It always had a bit if NIH issue, but it also lead to interesting and new ideas.

    Copying other sub notebooks, almost to the T, but charging nearly double is NOT innovative. They are claiming to want to sell a 500 notebook into classrooms, which is way too expensive. The classmates are about 350 and the XO are 150-180. Heck, even the Asus are 299. It is slightly greater power then these, but still can not compete against other $500 notebooks (which have diskdrives, DVDs, Ram, 14-16" monitors, 2.2G and bigger CPU, etc.

    IOW, this item is either hopelessly overpriced or underpowered. That is NOT innovative and for me to call it for what it is, does not make me troll.

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  10. writer's laptop by Rogue+Haggis+Landing · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The Mini-Note was called the HP 2133 in the advanced press and has been expected for a while. I've had high hopes for it as a notebook for word processing, because the advance press has always talked about it having a 95% full keyboard (unlike the tiny Eee).

    Anyway, after looking at some of the early reviews you can see that the Linux model is almost the perfect machine for a writer. It's small and under 3 pounds. It has a nearly full-size keyboard so you should be able to type for hours on it with no problems. The 1280x768 screen lets you see how things look on a full page and do some editing work (which is why something like an Alphasmart doesn't fit here). It seems likely to be fairly rugged and has a solid state drive of some sort, meaning drops won't kill your work. The performance of the poky VIA processor is almost irrelevant; all you need to be able to do is type in Open Office without noticeable lag. (Or fire up a tty session with vi or emacs if you want to totally minimize distractions.) $500 isn't as nice as $400, but it won't kill you either.

    The only problem I've seen is that at least one of the reviews goes on about the heat the thing generates and the accompanying fan noise. A small quiet computer is the scribbler's holy grail. There's some hope for the HP, as the reviews have all been of the $750 model running Vista off a spinning hard drive. Maybe, hopefully, the slower processor being taxed less by a lighter OS combined with a solid state drive will make the Linux model quieter. Still, if not, we've almost got a writer's computer. And hopefully someone else will come out with a perfect one soon.

  11. Re:I've got a name! by hey! · · Score: 4, Funny

    How about the "ME-2"?

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  12. Re:No Thanks by onkelonkel · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought classical mistake number one was "don't get involved in a land war in Asia"

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  13. Classical Mistake Number One? by argent · · Score: 5, Funny

    What happened to "Never go up against a Sicilian when Death is on the line?"