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Mysterious Sound Waves Can Destroy Rockets

Ponca City, We love you writes "Scientists believe that powerful and unstable sound waves, created by energy supplied by the combustion process, were the cause of rocket failures in several US and Russian rockets. They have also observed these mysterious oscillations in other propulsion and power-generating systems such as missiles and gas turbines. Now, researchers at the Georgia Institute of Technology have developed a liquid rocket engine simulator and imaging techniques to help demystify the cause of these explosive sound waves and bring scientists a little closer to being able to understand and prevent them. The team was able to clearly demonstrate that the phenomenon manifests itself in the form of spinning acoustic waves that gain destructive power as they rotate around the rocket's combustion chamber at a rate of 5,000 revolutions per second. Researchers developed a low-pressure combustor to simulate larger rocket engines then used a very-high-speed camera with fiber optic probes to observe the formation and behavior of excited spinning sound waves within the engine. 'This is a very troublesome phenomenon in rockets,' said Professor Ben Zinn. 'These spinning acoustic oscillations destroy engines without anyone fully understanding how these waves are formed. Visualizing this phenomenon brings us a step closer to understanding it.'"

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  1. Brown noise by rubies · · Score: 5, Funny

    It makes rocket scientists crap their pants!

  2. Good news! by bluephone · · Score: 5, Funny

    This means rocket science is once again hard. You may now resume saying "Well, this isn't rocket science" until they solve this.

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  3. I've been a member of slashdot for some time by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 5, Funny

    and the subject line for this article has finally convinced me that cowboy neal is in fact art bell.

  4. I can finally be of use to science by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wonder if they'd be interested in analyzing the smoking ruins of at least 5 toilet bowls I have personally destroyed with mysterious oscillating rocket powered sound waves.

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    1. Re:I can finally be of use to science by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

      I wonder if they'd be interested in analyzing the smoking ruins of at least 5 toilet bowls I have personally destroyed with mysterious oscillating rocket powered sound waves.

      Oh great, Mr. Goatse himself is now posting on slashdot.

    2. Re:I can finally be of use to science by PitaBred · · Score: 5, Funny

      It scares me that you have devoted that much time thinking about the physics of that.

  5. Re:Vibrator?? by compro01 · · Score: 5, Funny

    of course. we've got lots of pictures. =D

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  6. Summary is a bit off by evanbd · · Score: 5, Informative

    The new result here isn't acoustic instabilities; those have been known for a long time. The interesting result is a new set of imaging techniques that give a better understanding of *why* they occur, rather than simply observing on pressure traces that they *do* occur. After a bit more research, this may turn into techniques to more reliably avoid them in the design stage, rather than having to go through various tweaks on the injector / combustion chamber to remove them should they appear.

    This is very cool work. Of course, it's rocket science, not rocket engineering, so it's unlikely to impact new designs for several years yet.

    1. Re:Summary is a bit off by evanbd · · Score: 5, Informative

      Titanium may melt at 1900K, but rocket chambers operate in the realm of 2500-3500K. They have to be cooled, and copper is the material of choice for the same reason it makes good CPU heat sinks -- excellent thermal conductivity. Some older thrust chambers were made of steel (WAC Corporal, iirc), and it works at low chamber pressures (less heat flux), but it doesn't work as well and there are corrosion issues in storage. As performance increases and chamber pressures rise, metals other than copper look less and less appealing.

      Some nozzles are uncooled in the aft portion (as the gas expands and accelerates, it cools down, so the environment gets easier to handle). The Kestrel engine used in the Falcon 1 upper stage, for example, has a radiatively cooled Niobium nozzle. Titanium has been used, but Niobium and a few others tend to perform better in that environment -- the combination of hot reactive gases is hard to handle.

  7. Turn it inside out. by camperdave · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Rocket engines typically have a round cross section, which, if it doesn't aid the production of these circular waves, probably does little to dampen them. I wonder if the "inside out" design of a linear aerospike engine suffers from the same problem.

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  8. Re:Defense System? by evanbd · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The laser beam is way more feasible, even if you ignore considerations of range. Not to mention that when a liquid-fueled military rocket is operating, it's going to be either over the horizon or in vacuum -- we're not talking about small tactical missiles here.

    We're talking about loud sounds here -- and not just a little bit loud. 1 pascal of pressure wave is 94dB SPL -- a fairly loud sound. 1 psi is 6894 pascals; we're talking about many psi of pressure variation. A 10 psi wave would be 190dB. That's not just loud enough to cause hearing damage; that's well past loud enough to knock over buildings. Overpressure from large bombs is less than that at the edge of the blast radius.

    It should be obvious why that's destructive when it happens inside a rocket chamber, especially since oscillations like that tend to start small, grow *rapidly*, and not stop growing until something breaks. It should also be obvious why you won't be able to create such a wave via external influence unless the chamber can already resonate in that mode. When developing the F1 (Saturn V main engine) NASA had trouble with instability; in order to see whether the engine was barely stable or had plenty of margin, they had to find techniques to induce these waves. What they developed, and still use today, is a set of techniques for putting an explosive charge *inside* the engine, bringing the engine up to normal operating conditions (making the charge survive this is nontrivial), and *then* detonating it to see how the engine responded.

  9. Somthing Wrong Here. was Re:Nothing new here by FlyingGuy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ok, before parent gets any farther this has to be de-bunked. Sound waves did not destroy the bridge. A sound wave, in any medium consists of a compression and a rarifraction ., that is a leading pressure wave followed by a area of lower pressure that propagate in a known fashion. The intensity of a sound wave obeys the inverse square law.

    What happened to the Tacoma Narrows Bride was caused be an error in aerodynamic calculations on the part of the design engineer. Air passing around the bridge deck acted exactly like air does when presented with a crude airfoil, it formed an area of low pressure leeward of the bridge deck and a low pressure area leeward and below the bridge deck. Th resulting high pressure and low pressure vectors imparted a twisting moment to the bridge deck.

    The twisting moment was resisted by the torsional rigidity of the bridge deck. This caused the deck to twist to and build torsional tension. The twisting caused the aerodynamic profile of the bridge deck to change. The resulting change allowed the bridge deck to revert back to its original shape and aerodynamic profile, rinse and repeat. Thus the repeated twisting caused enough of the riveted and bolted joints to fail which led to a cascade failure as the remaining joints failed under the bridges weight and twisting motion.

    This was not "low frequency sound waves" although the structures oscillations did cause some very low frequency sounds waves, it was destroyed by nothing more then bad aerodynamics.

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