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Google Crawls The Deep Web

mikkl666 writes "In their official blog, Google announces that they are experimenting with technologies to index the Deep Web, i.e. the sites hidden behind forms, in order to be 'the gateway to large volumes of data beyond the normal scope of search engines'. For that purpose, the engine tries to automatically get past the forms: 'For text boxes, our computers automatically choose words from the site that has the form; for select menus, check boxes, and radio buttons on the form, we choose from among the values of the HTML'. Nevertheless, directions like 'nofollow' and 'noindex' are still respected, so sites can still be excluded from this type of search.'"

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  1. Just think! by scubamage · · Score: 5, Funny

    Soon, they'll start injecting SQL too to help map databases! Google is so useful indeed! :)

    1. Re:Just think! by Ariven · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I remember an article while back where someone had cut/pasted some articles from one section of their site to another.. and as a result had edit and delete links in the live content instead of on their internal web interface.

      And a search engine (I think it was google) crawled the site, hit the delete links and deleted all the pages of the site. At that time it was stated that any link that performs an action, such as delete, should be a post, via form so that search engines wouldnt do that very thing..

      And now, they are gonna start submitting forms? the fallout is gonna be entertaining.

  2. Oops... by JohnnyDanger · · Score: 5, Funny

    They just bought everything on Amazon.

    1. Re:Oops... by orkysoft · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Unfortunately, there are tons of sites whose developers did not understand the part about GET being for looking up stuff, and POST being for making changes on the server.

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  3. Forums? by fishybell · · Score: 5, Funny
    Well, I certainly hope that they put in some decent smarts to prevent it from making posts onto forums, blogs, /., etc.


    On the plus side, this should enable Google to get by the "Must be 18 to view" buttons ;)

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  4. HELLO I AM GOOGLEBOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I am just submitting this form to see what's behind it. PLEASE IGNORE ME.

    1. Re:HELLO I AM GOOGLEBOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I am just submitting this form to see what's behind it. PLEASE IGNORE ME.

  5. Re:Will it solve captchas? by skraps · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just what we need, some 'bot adding it's insightful comments based on other words in the same document.
    Are such questions on your mind often?

    ..then again, on most sites, would you be able to tell the difference between Google posting something and some 1337 kiddiez?!?!!1eleven?
    What does that suggest to you?
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  6. Re:good and bad by QuoteMstr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And should we not make any progress because we might step on a few toes while doing it? If Google can get your into uber-secret-private-database, so ran random user, or random Russian cracker. Fix your damn site if you're worried about this particular attack.

  7. The Internet is for Porn by kiehlster · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you haven't already noticed, AdSense has features now to tell Google how to log into your website so it can catalog your user-only pages. You know what that means. Porn sites are going to start using this so that Googlebot can confirm that it's age is over 18. We'll be showered with a gigantic wave of pornographic information. We will soon have to press juvenile charges against a corporate entity because it lied about its age on web forms to gain access to pornography and forum discussions.

  8. directions like 'nofollow' are still respected by frovingslosh · · Score: 5, Informative
    Nevertheless, directions like 'nofollow' and 'noindex' are still respected, so sites can still be excluded from this type of search.

    Maybe they shouldn't be, at least not in all cases. Several years back I had done many Google searches for some information that was very important to me, but never could find anything. Then a few months later (too late to be of use), pretty much by a fortunate combination of factors but with no help from Google, I came across the exact information, on a .GOV website in a publicly filed IPO document. As far as I can tell, our US government aggressively marks websites not to be indexed, even when they contain information that is posted there to be public record. When these nofollow directives are over used by mindless and unaccountable bureaucrats, perhaps someone needs to make the decision that these records should be public and that isn't best served by hiding them deep down a long list of links where they are hard to locate. In cases like this I would applaud any search engine that ignores the "suggestion" not to index public pages just because of an inappropriate tag in the HTML. In fact, if I knew of any search engine that was indexing in spite of this tag, I would switch to them as my first choice search engine in an instant. For starters, I would suggest that any .GOV and any State TLD website should have this tag ignored unless there were darn good reason to do otherwise.

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  9. Anecdote from Google by arrrrg · · Score: 5, Funny

    When I interned at Google, someone told me a funny anecdote about a guy who emailed their tech support insisting that the Google crawler had deleted his web site. At first, I think he was told that "Just because we download a copy of your site, doesn't mean your local copy is gone." (a'la obligatory bash.) But, the guy insisted, and finally they double checked and his site was in fact gone. Turns out that it was a home-brewed wiki-style site, and each page had a "delete" button. The only problem was, the "delete" button sent its query via GET, not POST, and so the Google spider happily followed those links one-by-one and deleted the poor guy's entire site. The Google guys were feeling charitable and so they sent him a backup of his site, but told him he wouldn't be so lucky the next time, and he should change any forms that make changes to POSTs -- GETs are only for queries.

    So, long story short, I wonder how Google will avoid more of this kind of problem if they're really going off the deep end and submitting random data on random forms on the web. Like the above guy, people may not design their site with such a spider in mind, and despite their lack of foresight this could kill a lot of goodwill if done improperly.