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Nuked Coral Reef Bounces Back
sm62704 writes "I found this New Scientist article interesting, as I was actually alive (albeit very small) when Bikini Atoll was H-bombed. The article says that the reason the reefs are now flourishing is because they are mostly undisturbed by humans, who are afraid of the radiation. Background levels there are now 'similar to that at any Australian city,' while nearby islands haven't been so lucky.'When I put the Geiger counter near a coconut, which accumulates radioactive material from the soil, it went berserk,' says Maria Beger of the University of Queensland in Australia."
Would sure as hell make survivor more interesting.
"oh, and by the way, anything you eat is likely radioactive"
Maybe make the first episode with reality TV execs on the island....
Queue Gilligan's Island jokes too.
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Studying the effects of high background radiation on coconuts is hardly going provide much insight into the effects on, say, human brains.
... at least not in my case ...
I don't therefore I'm not.
REAlly, I think it proves that after we screw things up royally on this planet to the point where we are no longer able to live on it, it won't take the earth too long to bounce back and thrive once more. Hopefully the next set of inhabitants on this planet will look after it better than we do.
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What customer of illegal fishermen checks the stuff with a geiger counter?
And due to alleged radioactivity of the area, patrols are likely scarce, law enforcement not too fond of exposing themselves to radiation.
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As sad as it is, if the alternative was fighting a drawn-out conventional war instead of just trying to scare the crap out of one another, the US and the USSR's Cold War took a relatively minimal toll on human life... displaced natives notwithstanding. The proxy wars fought in southeast asia are a testament to how bloody and destructive a conventional war between those two countries would have been. If the bloodshed between India and Pakistan declines, we may be in a position to thank those destructive weapons. It would be wonderful to think that people shouldn't need such things, but humanity has a long history as a destructive and bloodthirsty animal. Either way, I'm heartened to see that some life is beginning to thrive in the region.
Animal life around Chernobyl is also doing well. That's not an indication that radiation is harmless (most animals are shorter lived than humans, so they can tolerate more radiation), it's an indication that human presence is even more harmful than radiation.
That's why I'm always saying Ahmadine-whatever should have his own atomic weapons.
Seriously, Iran may be as islamistic as it gets, but they're humans after all and hopefully not stupid enough start a nuclear war.
Their opponents however, who are trying to do everything to prevent them from producing A-bombs in the first place, are not to be trusted that much, because they (America, Israel) are the ones that have started wars in the last couple of years (the latter only in "defense", but I think they/their PR may be able to produce one such "defense" case quickly).
On the other hand, there shouldn't be yet another A-armed nation. But that's a vicious circle: how is a nation without A-bombs going to defend itself against, say, America? It's nearly impossible to defend yourself against America at all these days - if don't have that bomb, there's nothing you can do. If you do have it, however, it's likely you're not gonna be attacked in the first place.
Maybe this is the reason we haven't seen a war in Iran yet. They are afraid. Uhm... on the other hand it's more likely to be due to the pain in the neck that is Iraq and the upcoming elections in America.
I must admit that those are speculations I'm really just pulling out of my ass... but hey, that's what the comments threads are for, aren't they? Oh dear, I can se the "leftie"/"commie"/"antisemite"-responses rushing in... but please, in the name of whatever deity you believe in: a Semite may just as well be an Arab, so be correct and call me anti-Judaist. Which is not what I am, as I call some Jews my friends... btw: this article has not gotten the publicity it deserves.
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I am not sure that variations in genetic material gathered from the site has been studied yet. You are correct, however, that this is a very interesting thing to be studying. The fact that corals seem to have recolonised successfully (albeit with less diversity) is 'possibly' due to nearby atolls "seeding" the affected areas. The nearby atolls were obviously affected by radiation as well, and therefore subject to possible genetic mutations. Therefore, measuring the difference in genes between the nearby places and ground-zero might show no difference at all (because the mutated corals etc from nearby "seeded" the ground-zero area). I am not sure how this would be resolved, unless the baseline samples were taken from further away, where they were not irradiated... which leads to further problems (the genetic difference--if any is measured--may be caused by other factors)...
Look up what's going on around Chernobyl at the moment.
Whilst humans can't go anywhere near it, or the town of Pripyat, many species of plant and animals have flourished in the 30-odd years since the infamous meltdown. These species display no visible deformations, and continue to breed and live undisturbed by humans.
Almost as if they had just... evolved to cope with the massive doses of radiation they cop every day.
Uhh, except that, see, they don't really care if they die to bring the last Mahdi. The russians did care if they died.
The effects of mutations on populations or entire ecosystems can not really be accessed within 50 years. Sure, the reality proved much less dire than certain activists of the time would claim, but it's undeniable that increase in radiation do have an effect.
Most mutants will simply die before being born or shortly thereafter. The genes of the few mutants that make it to th adult states tend to be recessive as well and quite likely to just get "neutralized" by selection, genetic drift et al.
All these bombs have done is simply increase the mutation rate within the ecosystem, so a process that might have taken hundreds of thousands of year to have a visible effect may just take centuries. Mutations can not be calculated, simulated (realistically) or foreseen in any other way either. A specific mutation attached to a dominant gene might not have an effect at all for millions of years until that gene itself changes and by doing so "enables" the mutation. Populations may be stable for a long time until the "right" mutation happens and causes the whole thing to transform. Atrificially increasing the mutation rate might increase the probability of this happening, but it definitely doesn't guarantee it.
Or maybe the people where the coconut washes ashore have a life-expectancy lower than that of the west, and the increased cancer risk that comes with eating it is minor, and irrelevant. Cancer largely develops late in life, and is of more concern to populations living as long as we in the first world than most other places around the globe.
Even if you killed of all the coconuts, the cost of the operation could be high. Maybe, in terms of people's life quality, the money would be wiser invested covering other issues of health in the region, giving more people higher quality of life, rather than lengthening the life expectancy of a few unlucky individuals by a matter of days on average.
Exactly! Geiger counters are usually ridiculously sensitive. I don't think that "going berserk" can be easily translated to mSv/hr. Presumably this guy has no training in radiation safety and shouldn't be anywhere near the atoll.
Really? What Slashdot are you reading? I see lots of dumb posts. They're the ones that don't get modded + anything. For all the +5's we see, there are a whole bunch of dumbasses posting as well.
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The world is a much safer place than it was when I was a kid.
I try to get this point across to people all the time and they think I'm either crazy or naive. In all sorts of ways, the world is better now than in the past. Sure, not everything is, but the majority of items that impact individuals is immensely better. Health, Crime, War... all much better. Terrorism is petty compared to cold war nuclear brinkmanship.
Almost as if they had just... evolved to cope with the massive doses of radiation they cop every day.
The tricky thing about evolution is, only the survivors survive it.
Naturally, some sub-population will survive and, lacking competition, thrive. Most humans, though, would consider it unacceptable to eliminate, say, the 50% of a population that is most susceptible to radiation (or heart disease, or any other condition) even if the surviving population was stronger and better adapted as a result.
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If the US were serious about trying to convince Iran and others that they do not need nuclear weapons for their own defense, then the US should not use nuclear weapons for their defense. "Do as I say, not as I do" never works.
As it is, I think the US is more concerned about maintaining its hegemony than it is about preventing a nuclear war in the middle east.
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