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Do the Blind Deserve More Effort on the Web?

dratcw writes "An article was posted this week to ComputerWorld, detailing the frustrations faced by blind people struggling to use the Web. The piece shows how little progress has been made and the inadequacy of solutions such as Microsoft's Narrator screen reader. While the article generated many positive comments, one reader said the disabled should 'get a grip' and maintained they 'have no more right to demand that others provide for their needs than I, as a diabetic, have a right to demand that sugar no longer be used.' Should Web sites and software makers do more, or does the reality of today's economics dictate that the blind/disabled will continue to struggle and learn to live with it?"

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  1. Do the Blind Deserve More Effort on the Web? by Jswalden86 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can't see why not.

    1. Re:Do the Blind Deserve More Effort on the Web? by Bryansix · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are you blind too?

  2. Re:Shitty web design is not a "blind" problem by shrikel · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thankfully we've mostly gotten rid of the horrible ... musical home pages.
    Are you kidding? Those at least can be enjoyed by blind and seeing people alike!
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  3. Re:Shitty web design is not a "blind" problem by Aquaseafoam · · Score: 5, Funny

    I find it highly insensitive that you have overlooked the deaf community. Surely they also wish to enjoy such magnificent web pages.

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  4. Re:Shitty web design is not a "blind" problem by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I once worked for a web design company (back when image maps were generally server-side supported, not client-side) that had truly bad design choices. One for a page that used a server-side image map, they tried to include text links at the bottom of the page so that the links could still be followed by search engines. Except they couldn't get the text to position itself precisely on enough clients that it wouldn't break their (NetObjects Fusion) layout table... so they turned the text links into an image of text links and made it another server-side image map.

    This was when the boss angrily declared, "I am not an idiot!" when I tried to point out the problem to him.

    The last thing I ever did for that company was finally give them something they really wanted: a frameset that constrained the usable real-estate on a page to be no more than 640x480. They then converted their own website to use that frameset and quickly went out of business.

    The parent company though still publishes a free, local, ad-supported business magazine. Their website even as an "Accessibility Statement" page.

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  5. Re:Death to flash! by Presto+Vivace · · Score: 2, Funny
  6. Re:Shitty web design is not a "blind" problem by Androclese · · Score: 3, Funny

    Are you kidding? Those at least can be enjoyed by blind and seeing people alike!
    Are you kidding? Those at least can be suffered by blind and seeing people alike!

    There... I fixed it for ya...
  7. Re:Shitty web design is not a "blind" problem by DAtkins · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yes. Yes, yes, yes.

    Rather than having html that uses an image link, use an href and swap the link out for an image using CSS. It's easy to do, and makes navigation MUCH simpler to implement and use.

    If you open your page in Lynx (or disable CSS) and cannot decipher it, then it will not work for the blind. Frankly, it also makes me hate the designer. I will refrain from making comments about what Slashdot looks like with CSS turned off :-)

  8. Re:Shitty web design is not a "blind" problem by piojo · · Score: 5, Funny

    I find it highly insensitive that you have overlooked the deaf community. Surely they also wish to enjoy such magnificent web pages. So you're saying that when I add the soundtrack to my home page, I should have the musical notes going by in a flash animation?
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  9. Re:Shitty web design is not a "blind" problem by UncleTogie · · Score: 4, Funny

    So you're saying that when I add the soundtrack to my home page, I should have the musical notes going by in a flash animation?

    Speaking as a guy that's 70% deaf:

    F'r the love o' Pete, NO!

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  10. Re:Shitty web design is not a "blind" problem by Xiph1980 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sometimes when you browse in the off corners of the web, you find wonderful examples of how to entertain those, that are (perhaps not by choice) totally reliant on their eyes...
    I want to share one of those I found a while ago:
    Jones Partners: Architecture
    WARNING!! MAY CAUSE SEISURES, HEADACHES, NAUSEA, BLEEDING AND/OR EXPLODING EYES

    Disclaimer: Following the link is voluntary. I am not morally, financially, or in any other way responsible for the wellbeing of those following the link in this post. You have been warned. Good luck.

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  11. ...pages entirely flash based... by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Two words. Sing them with me:

    Flash! Aaa-aah!

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    1. Re:...pages entirely flash based... by JorDan+Clock · · Score: 3, Funny

      Saviour of the Universe! Er... I think Queen was a little optimistic.

  12. Re:sigh.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    This is "Abuse". "Arguments" is down the hall.

    posting anon for badly butchering a great monty python skit.

  13. Re:Shitty web design is not a "blind" problem by JohnVanVliet · · Score: 2, Funny

    man 2008 became 1968 , for a moment i thought i was 5 mo. old again

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  14. Re:Shitty web design is not a "blind" problem by lawn.ninja · · Score: 4, Funny

    That website made me want to kill someone. Just sayin'

  15. Re:Shitty web design is not a "blind" problem by innerweb · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, I finally found a use for psychoactive drugs. OMG. What were they thinking when they made that site? And more importantly, why is it still up? Ack!

    InnerWeb

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  16. Re:... with the exception of... by Yvan256 · · Score: 2, Funny

    What can stay? It's an empty black page with nothing on it.