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Laser Pointers Classed as Weapons in Australia

Posted by timothy on from the conflating-objects-and-uses dept.

An anonymous reader was the first to point to an article in the Sydney Morning Herald which says that New South Wales (of which Sydney is the capital) will prohibit the possession of certain types of laser pointers, defining them as weapons, and make it an offense to carry any laser pointer "without a lawful reason." (Similar coverage at news.com.au) Western Australia apparently beat NSW to the punch, and the federal government of Australia announced earlier this month it will treat laser pointers much like firearms, which, in Australia, is really saying something. The restrictions come as a reaction to incidents (not confined to Australia) in which the lasers were trained on planes, distracting pilots.

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  1. It's only class 3 and 4 lasers by _merlin · · Score: 4, Informative

    They aren't banning class 1 laser pointers (won't cause eye damage) or class 2 laser pointers (your natural blink reflex should be sufficient to protect you from eye damage). They're only banning high powered class 3 and 4 laser pointers (may cause eye damage and need to use eye protection). Most laser pointers are class 2. To be honest, I think this is a good thing. The less idiots with potentially dangerous lasers, the better. A class 2 laser is good enough for most people, and if you really need a bigger one (i.e. not just to compensate for your small breasts/penis), you can get a permit.

    1. Re:It's only class 3 and 4 lasers by More_Cowbell · · Score: 5, Informative
      Well, I RTFAs (the whole two paragraphs of each). It certainly seems like you've hit the nail on the head and I would have to agree - at least without having heard an argument for the other side.

      That said, I would wonder a few things:
      1. How hard would it be to get a permit? (For instance I have no need for (nor do I own) a class 3 or 4... but I always thought it sounded fun, and I consider myself responsible enough to own one - the same as I feel about guns.
      2. Punishable by up to 14 years in jail. Um, Wtf?

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    2. Re:It's only class 3 and 4 lasers by propanol · · Score: 5, Informative

      For people who're not up to speed on laser classifications, a level 3 laser is one that outputs between 5-500 mW and a level 4 goes beyond 500 mW. Already at 100 mW the laser is strong enough to make you blind in less than a millisecond. These laser pointers are not like the ones you'll find in common shops, these can inflict serious damage on people and should be handled with the same care as you'd handle a weapon (which they arguably could be classified as).

  2. Re:Lawful reason by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Informative
    I really hate idiots who play with laser pointers. The ones being banned in Australia are Class III and Class IV ones which can easily blind someone.

    personally, popping balloons with the things is a lawful reason to carry :) It seems like if it can pop balloons, it's not the sort of thing you want drunken kids playing with. My right not to be blinded trumps your right to burst balloons when drunk.

    Here's what a 5mW laser looks like to a pilot.

    http://www.pangolin.com/faa/laser-aircraft-animation-and-explanation.htm
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  3. The U.S. does already by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's illegal to have headlights above a certain brightness level, or perhaps it's above a certain number of lights - but there are light configurations you can put on a car that will get you pulled over if you have them on for street driving.

    Now it's not illegal to have said lights mounted, so that's the point where the car analogy breaks (as they always do). But it does show your point is not as ridiculous as you had thought, because having really bright beams pointed at traffic is in fact a valid safety issue.

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  4. Actually, it's a real problem by caitsith01 · · Score: 5, Informative

    There have been half a dozen or so such incidents in Australia in the last few months, including one which involved coordinated beams from multiple locations directed at the same plane.

    E.g.:

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/04/08/2211257.htm

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/04/11/2214689.htm

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/03/29/2202704.htm

    As an Australian who flies quite a lot, I'm extremely happy for them to ban these things if it stops morons from blinding my pilot on final approach. The fact that there have been coordinated attacks is also evidence that it is more than an incidental problem.

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