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Private Efforts Fill Gaps In Earth's Asteroid Defenses

Hugh Pickens sends us to Seed Magazine for an update on Earth's defenses against collisions with near-earth objects (NEOs). The bottom line is that government is moving slowly on cataloging NEOs but private bodies are picking up some of the slack. "In 2005, the US Congress directed NASA to catalog 90 percent of potentially hazardous NEOs greater than 140 meters in diameter by the year 2020 but NASA has yet to allot funds to the project. Increasingly, coordinated private efforts are working to fill the gap in Earth's NEO defenses. Earlier this year, Bill Gates and Charles Simonyi donated a combined $30 million to the Large Synoptic Survey Telescope (LSST), keeping it on track for first light in 2014. LSST will survey the entire visible sky deeply in multiple colors every week with its three-billion pixel digital camera, probing the mysteries of Dark Matter and Dark Energy and by opening a movie-like window on objects that change or move, the LSST will also detect and catalog NEOs."

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  1. Orbital Debris Quarterly News by solweil · · Score: 5, Informative

    Check out Orbital Debris Quarterly News at http://orbitaldebris.jsc.nasa.gov/newsletter/newsletter.html They have back issues in pdf

    1. Re:Orbital Debris Quarterly News by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Funny

      Jesus, man, there's a publication called "Orbital Debris Quarterly News"? That sounds so completely made up. Is there a pull-out centerfold every issue with lurid photos of space rocks? I can't wait to get a copy of this for bathroom reading, keep it right next to "Oatmeal Enthusiast"....

    2. Re:Orbital Debris Quarterly News by 117 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The BBC comdey panel show Have I Got News For You has a regular "Missing Words" feature whereby the panel have to guess the missing words from a headline in "this week's guest publication", being always a completely obscure magazine - iirc the most recent one was something like 'Onion Lovers Weekly', and there was also this one

  2. Still may need Bruce by tuxgeek · · Score: 5, Funny

    Keep Bruce Willis near by just in case

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  3. Nasa and cash: by Fluffeh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Given that they don't seem to be able to afford $3mil to make a game (Link) it seems pretty funny in a not really funny sort of way that they don't seem to be able to allot funds to this project either.

    Maybe someone is trying to make some money off interest. @_@

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    1. Re:Nasa and cash: by Digestromath · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Except for the disjointed and non congruent voting block that is American /.ers, there isn't a huge effort into lobbying for NASA funds. Alot of funding for NASA and JPL projects is directed into the defense contracts and the military industrial complex.

      There just isn't anyone lobbying for NEO observation because there must isn't any money in it. You congressman or senator isn't gonna bust his ass to spread a little pork barrel spending to a few astronomers.

      To compare the American government spends a total of $176 million on abstinence only education (combined federal and state programs) for something with no proven positive results (and many negative ones). Why? Becuase people lobby for it.

      But nobody is out there lobbying for the radio telescopes, and for satellites turned outward towards our own solar system. So declines the American empire.

  4. Arecibo Observatory is in need of funding by prxp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Any serious private or public effort in funding Earth's defenses against asteroids should pay special attention to the Arecibo Observatory. Besides the fact the observatory is facing serious funding issues (funding was cut to less than half of the regular funding bringing the possibility of actually closing down the facility), Arecibo is one of the best (if not THE best) facilities in the world for tracking asteroids (as a matter of fact the Arecibo Observatory has the biggest, most sensible radio telescope in the world). It is just a shame the effects the war has brought upon ourselves.

    1. Re:Arecibo Observatory is in need of funding by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not as bad as it sounds. The primary reflector is stationary, but the primary collector is movable. If you look closely, you'll notice that the Arecibo main dish isn't a perfect parabolic shape. Depending on where the rays are coming from, they're focused in different spots... move the collector, and presto - different part of the sky. No, it isn't quite as flexible as a fully movable one, but it isn't fully stationary either.

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    2. Re:Arecibo Observatory is in need of funding by khallow · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, the idea is that you try to bounce radio waves off of them, like radar. And you need a lot of dish to pick up the reflected signal. Hence, why something the size of Arecibo is nice.

  5. Astreroid "Defenses" by Kenz0r · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A term like asteroid defense, to me, always brings up the image of a battery of laser cannons or special nuclear silo's that actually -defend- us against asteroids. Wouldn't it be more appropriatly dull to call this asteroid observation?

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    1. Re:Astreroid "Defenses" by somersault · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think it would be more appropriate to call it Missile Command

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  6. Seeing the way things are going today... by Bananatree3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would be surprised if we (United States) ever make it to the Mars/Moon on such a shoestring budget that we have today. Unless we have a dramatic budget shift towards the sciences (and away from wars *cough* *cough*), I see commercial/private interests as our next great funding source for space science and transport. Eventually we will probably have manned moon missions that are completely commercial and privately owned/funded. However NASA's technology right now is lightyears ahead of what any company can do (unless Lockheed Martin and Boeing join the commercial space race). I guess we'll be seeing more philanthropic donations to the space sciences in the future.

    1. Re:Seeing the way things are going today... by hvm2hvm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      the problem is like in any other country the fact that the people don't know much about how their taxes are spent. i'm not an american but if i would have been i would be pissed to find out that the military gets some 20% while nasa gets less than 1% (there was an article about this on slashdot, can't find it).

      i'm not flaming the americans for being ignorant or something because this happens everywhere, including in my country. democracy is just another way of forcing something on the people but a lot more effective because it's done in the name of freedom and it gives you the impression that you matter and that what you want will someday, somehow be done.

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    2. Re:Seeing the way things are going today... by consumer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      the problem is like in any other country the fact that the people don't know much about how their taxes are spent. i'm not an american but if i would have been i would be pissed to find out that the military gets some 20% while nasa gets less than 1%

      There are many examples like that. Most Americans think we spend a lot on foreign aid, but it's actually about 1% of the budget, i.e. 20 times less than we spend on the military. And that vastly underestimates how much we spend on the military because they now shift the money around to hide many of the expenses in areas outside the Pentagon, like the State Department.

      The worst part is, you know that war in Iraq? The one that we're spending billions of dollars on? That's not part of the budget at all. That's all paid for by borrowing. Yes, the Iraq war is going on a credit card. We are so screwed.

    3. Re:Seeing the way things are going today... by kabocox · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I would be surprised if we (United States) ever make it to the Mars/Moon on such a shoestring budget that we have today. Unless we have a dramatic budget shift towards the sciences (and away from wars *cough* *cough*), I see commercial/private interests as our next great funding source for space science and transport. Eventually we will probably have manned moon missions that are completely commercial and privately owned/funded. However NASA's technology right now is lightyears ahead of what any company can do (unless Lockheed Martin and Boeing join the commercial space race). I guess we'll be seeing more philanthropic donations to the space sciences in the future.

      The US isn't noted for long term thinking. China is. The US has to have some one else be there doing it to out do before we take a governmental interest.

      US companies do have all of NASAs space tech. The problem is that its far too expensive for a business to play around without seeing any short term ROI. Some Japanese businesses have been noted for having long business planning that could make commercial space stuff profitable, but you'd have to have atleast one company/government/person fund their own profitable space stuff before anyone else thinks me too.

      Right now, it takes Bill Gates level cash for an individual to play funding a space company/assets. Sure we have a lot of billionaires now, but if was cheap enough that individuals that have less than ten million could get into space, you'd see vastly more development. (It's not there, yet.) When the price drops to where those of us making 30-40K can buy a vacation home or something in space, then you'd see massive space development. It's all about cost.

    4. Re:Seeing the way things are going today... by consumer · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's a lot of money compared to spending nothing, but as a percentage of the budget it's less than almost any other developed nation spends.

    5. Re:Seeing the way things are going today... by hvm2hvm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      yeah, and considering the usa has the largest budget in the world you would think that they would need a smaller percentage for military in order to maintain military superiority. i guess it's never enough...

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  7. Missing information from TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Gates only contributed the money to LSST so they would run vista on it

  8. Private asteroid security by S3D · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nice city you have here. What a pity, 99942 Apophis going to wipe it out in decade. However for couple of billion we can change its course a little. What ? According to your date you are safe ? Believe me it's going to hit you. We have just installed propulsion system on it's surface.

  9. Fate by Haoie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm of the thought that it doesn't really matter what sort of 'defenses' humanity sets up.

    If a killer asteroid is headed our way, may as well accept fate.

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  10. Timing is everything by ThreeGigs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In 2005, the US Congress directed NASA to catalog 90 percent of potentially hazardous NEOs greater than 140 meters in diameter by the year 2020

    Now, if I were a NASA decision maker, I'd put that job off too. Considering there are still 12 years to go before the deadline, the likelihood that technology developments will make the job faster, easier and cheaper probably exceeds 100%.

    With all the competition from the private sector, getting a telescope into space dedicated to imaging asteroids will almost certainly be cheaper. And a space telescope should be more effective than a ground based one, even with adaptive optics. CIGS image sensors were just announced recently, with superb low light performance, exactly what's needed for low albedo object discovery. Lightweight foamed metal and graphite materials that have potential uses in mirrors are making progress, as is computing power and artificial intelligence. So, in 5 years, chances are NASA would be able to put together a package that does the job better, faster and at a lower price than anything they could do today.

    Assuming a pair of 2 meter telescopes on a single orbiting platform, with a 25 minute exposure time and 5 minute re-aiming time, and a 1.5 degree field of view. Each scope could image a 1 degree square every 30 minutes. Or 24 degrees per day. Or a 360 degree circle in 15 days. Or 5 degrees above and below the ecliptic plane twice in under a year. With overlap. 2 years for a more comprehensive +/- 10 degree survey.

    So, yeah. With 12 years remaining to complete a job that'll take 2 years, and the longer you wait the cheaper it gets, no wonder NASA hasn't budgeted anything for it.

    1. Re:Timing is everything by evanbd · · Score: 2, Informative

      Assuming a pair of 2 meter telescopes on a single orbiting platform, with a 25 minute exposure time and 5 minute re-aiming time, and a 1.5 degree field of view. Each scope could image a 1 degree square every 30 minutes. Or 24 degrees per day. Or a 360 degree circle in 15 days. Or 5 degrees above and below the ecliptic plane twice in under a year. With overlap. 2 years for a more comprehensive +/- 10 degree survey.

      Except that you wouldn't find all of them in that survey. They're only easy to spot when they're nearby; for the dangerous ones, in orbits similar to Earth's, that only happens every few years. For the rest, you'd have to hope that it happened to be close by when you were surveying the right piece of sky. You also have to get several images of an asteroid to start computing even an approximate trajectory -- 3 images is a minimum, but that would give awful error bars. Sure, you can go follow up on everything that moved, but it would be nice if your original survey could distinguish at least something about how relevant the asteroid is.

      Also, this is a job that's reasonably well suited to terrestrial telescopes, AIUI. No need for a special orbiting scope when you can get better pictures for less money from the ground.

  11. NEOs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    What about Meteors Or Rocks Presently Headed Earthwards Unless Stopped (MORPHEUS)?

  12. "[NASA] yet to allot funds"? Bullshit by cmholm · · Score: 4, Informative

    In 2005, Congress Directed NASA to go do the work. No, they didn't just sit on the money. As a part of this work, Congress sent a few million to the Air Force to manage the University of Hawaii's NEO detector project, PanSTARRS.

    The planning kicked off at about the same time as the LSST, but being significantly cheaper and using off the shelf optics with custom gigapixel detectors, a testbed has already been deployed on Maui. When the full system is deployed atop Mauna Kea on the island of Hawaii, it'll include four scopes ganged together, putting 4 X 1.4GPix on a patch of sky. The redundant detectors allow for added error correction from bad pixels, cosmic ray strikes, and whatnot.

    Now that the LSST has some significant seed money, we may soon be able to reap the benefits of two panoptic sky survey systems. That's going to be a hell of a lot of near-real time data processing.

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  13. Only a politician... by Muad'Dave · · Score: 4, Interesting
    ...would task an agency to catalog 90% of something that no one knows the total number of. I can see it now:

    Politician: We want you to catalog 90% of asteroids by 2020.
    Scientist: But sir, we don't know how many asteroids there are!
    Politician: Exactly!


    That's like during a hearing regarding alkali runoff and the effect on the pH of lakes a scientist said that their goal was to get the pH down to 7 by next year. A politician says, "That's unacceptable - we want it down to 0 by next year!".

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  14. NASA Funding by DynaSoar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    > The bottom line is that government is moving slowly on cataloging NEOs

    NASA's NEO program catalogs bodies as soon as the data comes available.

    There are 7 programs besides NASA searching and/or cataloging (they're listed on JPL's site: http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/programs/ ). When one team gets data, they all share in it. The programs are only as slow as the data. As for US government, 5.5 of the 8 programs are US based (one in Italy, one in Japan, one joint US-Aussie).

    > NASA has yet to allot funds to the project

    The NASA NEO program is run from JPL.
    JPL is managed by Caltech for NASA.
    NASA pays JPL to do so.
    The 8 people in the NEO program appear to be all NASA employees, or at least from Caltech or other universities, paid by NASA (directly via payroll or JPL funding, or indirectly via funding to their parent university) to work there. There is no need to have funding dedicated explicitly to the program if existing funding is available to operate the office under other funding headings.

    The government is perhaps not moving as fast as it could in data collection if it funded a dedicated telescopy program directly, but that doesn't imply the cataloging is slow.

    The bottom line is that the article is correct in that private concerns are providing funding for or operating search and/or cataloging operations, but that's all. The assertions regarding cataloging being slow and lack of funding are unfounded.

    Of course any government funded program will tell you there's a "lack" in terms of not enough (as opposed to an absence), because they'll get their funding cut if they don't show the need. The output from this program indicates it's operating its cataloging project at the speed necessary to keep up with the data.

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