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Solar Powered Microbes Manufacture Biofuels

esocid alerts us to news that scientists from the University of Texas at Austin have created a microbe capable of making cellulose, which can then be turned into ethanol. The bacteria use sunlight as an energy source, and the cellulose can be harvested without destroying them. Quoting: "The new cyanobacteria produce a relatively pure, gel-like form of cellulose that can be broken down easily into glucose. 'The problem with cellulose harvested from plants is that it's difficult to break down because it's highly crystalline and mixed with lignins [for structure] and other compounds,' Nobles says. He was surprised to discover that the cyanobacteria also secrete large amounts of glucose or sucrose, sugars that can be directly harvested from the organisms."

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  1. Very large surface area needed by SlashDev · · Score: 2, Interesting

    According to the article, the approximate area needed to produce ethanol with corn to fuel all U.S. transportation needs is around 820,000 square miles, an area almost the size of the entire Midwest.

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    1. Re:Very large surface area needed by budgenator · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Corn for just ethanol is a bad idea, but corn pressed to remove the oil for biodiesel,
      sugar removed for fermentation to ethanol
      the stover used for cellulose conversion,
      and the high protein distiller's dried grain fed back to cattle for food production, not so bad.

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    2. Re:Very large surface area needed by fastest+fascist · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But how is anyone supposed to set up a lucrative, patent-protected energy monopoly/cartel with all that diversity?

    3. Re:Very large surface area needed by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Ethanol is only really useful for powering petrol engines. Far better to use grain to produce oil and run diesel engines.

      I know the American automotive industry is a bit behind the curve with technology, but most manufacturers are getting rid of their wheezy underpowered petrols. In a few years you won't see new petrol cars at all.

    4. Re:Very large surface area needed by theophilosophilus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The "parts like the stalk and leaves that typically got shredded up and left on the ground" get broken down by microbes thus returning nutrients to the soil. It's the decaying plant matter that makes soil soil instead of a bunch of microscopic rocks. If we start using the whole plant instead of just the ear, we're going to wind up turning the midwest into a giant dust bowl.

      Not really. If we start planting corn on corn to cash in on high prices we will. Crop rotation accomplishes the replenishment of the soil you are referring to. Corn is followed by soybeans, a legume. Legumes are responsible for the phenomenon you are referring to. Crop rotation was started in response to the problems of the dirty thirties.

      The biomass technologies currently being pioneered by companies such as Poet simply use the chaff, leaving the corn's root system to provide cover over the winter.
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    5. Re:Very large surface area needed by theophilosophilus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      According to the article, the approximate area needed to produce ethanol with corn to fuel all U.S. transportation needs is around 820,000 square miles, an area almost the size of the entire Midwest. This is why the debate over energy alternatives is so skewed. I don't think any proponent of ethanol claims its the magic solution to all energy needs. The debate is about how we can use our surplus corn to reduce dependence on foreign fossil fuels.

      If there is a better source of ethanol that comes around, then so be it. Corn ethanol has stimulated development of the next generation of technology.

      Implicit in the parent's argument is the idea that ethanol competes for food crop acres and thus raises prices. That is correct. However, the sensationalist media and proponents of other energy alternatives neglect several components of the equation. One component is the argument that high food prices is bad for the third world. The argument seems confusing when you discover that these are usually the same people that argue farm subsidies are causing food prices to be too low . Recent Wall Street Journal articles indicate that high crop prices are finally stimulating investment in third world agriculture. Another component is the argument that today's high food prices are because of ethanol. This is also confusing because similar price increases have been witnessed in products that have nothing to do with corn production. Rice for example, has shown the same percentage jump and yet does not compete with corn acres. My last point is that fuel prices are a major cost of corn production. If we eliminated ethanol production today, the increase in fuel prices due to reduced dilution from ethanol would mean that food prices would hardly change (if at all). [Note this is a little too simplistic because eliminating ethanol would distribute increased fuel costs over a market broader than agriculture - the net effect is the same].

      I am not arguing that tying energy and food production together can't be dangerous. I am arguing that we haven't reached that point. Further, in a sense, energy and food production have always been tied together.
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    6. Re:Very large surface area needed by Firethorn · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I was figuring a desert type environment, with salt water pumped in more or less straight to provide the water would be a lot cheaper than many other environments. Fresh water is getting expensive.

      As for release into the wild, most likely not a big deal - conditions conductive to their growth isn't universal, areas conductive probably have non-altered species of cyanobacteria already that are more competitive.

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    7. Re:Very large surface area needed by Hatta · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Double fuel mileage and you only need 14350 square miles. Get commuters on more public transit: 12000 square miles. Get 25% of the cars on the road to go electric, 9000 square miles.

      That might be harder than you think. We're already making cars that go 30mpg. Maximum theoretical milage is around 120mpg. Doubling milage would put us at 50% of the theoretical maximum, which would be a very impressive technical feat. Getting more cars off the road would help, but switching to electric just means you're getting your power somewhere else.

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    8. Re:Very large surface area needed by entropys_cbn_dbt · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The reason that prices for grains other than corn are also going up is twofold: firstly because of rising demand (from China and India mostly as their economies take off) and a little thing called 'cross price elasticity of supply' which means that if the price of a product goes up, the price of substitutes and near substitutes also rise. At this point it is mostly reason two, but reason one will become more important in the future and it is realised that ethanol sourced corn isn't actually greenhouse friendly in any case, and because of the impact on food prices. And eventually 2nd gen ethanol production will take off, although I notice that the article just talked about area, not economic feasibility. Algae and bacterial sources of ethanol have been looked at for nearly thirty years, but nobody has found a way to do it profitably. The corn used for ethanol is subsidised too. its just that the subsidy is higher than for food grain. Thus the farmers raise the GM corn that is not as good for food as the ordinary corn (but ends up in corn syrup anyway).

  2. Re:Gotta love this gene splicing technology by tsotha · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That seems to be the problem with every story about revolutionary technology. A mention on slashdot every couple years, then nothing.

  3. Re:Precision in Reporting ... by cosmicaug · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It looks like they they need to control the simple sugar secretion problem. This is not only an organism which wastes energy (from its "perspective") for no good reason by making cellulose but also an organism which is considerate enough to potential competitors to give them an easy to use energy source in the form of simple sugars.

    The former (the part we want) makes the organism weak but might be manageable. The latter, makes the organism "stupid" and, if it produces large enough quantities of simple sugars to sustain high densities of other microbes feasting on simple sugars, suicidal since secondary metabolites (or simply overwhelmingly high numbers of competitors) will probably make a population of this organism unsustainable.

  4. Re:Precision in Reporting ... by arotenbe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's a method for gathering sunlight, like many others. As stated between the lines of TFA, there is a certain amount of sunlight that might be gathered that makes it through the atmosphere and hits earth. This is a good thing ... but considering the amount of energy we as a species use today, mainly in form of oil, sunlight is limited. Or put differently: there's no way we're going to bait-and-switch the sun into doing the job oil does today. The Sun produces a lot of energy. If we had some super-efficient way of converting sunlight to usable energy, we could replace oil for most uses. Lack of energy from the Sun is not the problem - efficiency and limited funding is.

    On an unrelated note, I'd like to point out the last lines of TFA:

    Brown and Nobles are now researching the best methods to scale up efficient and cost-effective production of cyanobacteria. Two patent applications, 20080085520 and 20080085536, were recently published in the United States Patent and Trade Office. Patents on biological processes are never good. What are these patents and what does this mean?
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  5. Re:Precision in Reporting ... by cosmicaug · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The BBC article (which is misreporting the endosymbiont hypothesis badly enough to make Lynn roll in her grave were she not still alive) was actually reporting on an article investigating homologies of cellulose synthases in several species of cyanobacteria. Curiously, the current U of Texas at Austin is not about harnessing native cellulose production by some cyanobacterium but rather about "Transgenic expression of Gluconacetobacter xylinus strain ATCC 53582 cellulose synthase genes in the cyanobacterium Synechococcus leopoliensis strain UTCC 100". I guess that they decided that inserting required cellulose biosynthetic enzymes from an organism (apparently) known to produce a lot of cellulose was easier than trying to optimize the miserly levels of cellulose biosynthesis in some cyanobacterium.

  6. Re:Precision in Reporting ... by budgenator · · Score: 2, Interesting

    - It's in a lab. A lab is in general a very clean place. The great outside, on the other hand, is a murderous place. Throughout the biosphere, from 11km down to about 6km up, any niche that any beasty might inhabit is fought over, and the winner takes the lion's share. So nice as it is that a beasty has been identified that might be the methadone for our oil, it's going to take same maintenance work for it to thrive. Work ... that is, energy. I'm not saying it's impossible, it just cuts into the efficiency. And at this point, no-one can tell us by how much. Think giant vats of goo that need to be kept lab-clean not to be taken over by the next-better contestant for the given yummy environmental niche. Think lots of people / robots / driving around, using lots of energy maintaining the vats.
    [no, I'm always this grumpy, thanks for asking] In the past productivity has gone through the roof when they went outside, even the article said a 17X increase was possible. in Arizona an algae CO2 capture plant had to be shut down because the bioreator's production increase overwhelmed the processing plant! Give them a chance and let's see what happens in the real world.
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  7. Not necessarily suicidal by Moraelin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's not necessarily suicidal.

    Cyanobacter are routinely part of lichens, which are a very weird mix of fungi and bacteria capable of photosynthesis. The fungi form a matrix in which the bacteria are trapped, and help collect minerals and moisture for the trapped bacteria.

    The arrangement isn't entirely mutually beneficial, from the point of view of the individual bacteria, but from a propagating-the-genes point of view (which in evolution is the only one that matters at all) it does allow the bacteria to live and multiply in some places where it otherwise could not.

    And the fungi aren't doing it as some kind of act of kindness, either: fungi can't do photosynthesis on their own, so those lichens growing on rocks and whatnot, well, would die if noone in that arrangement provided food for the fungi too. That's the bacteria's contribution there: those sugars.

    At any rate, it's sorta like being inside a living test tube full of nutrients and water. If you don't produce an excess of sugars, the test tube dies. Clearly there's a survival advantage in avoiding that.

    From another point of view, fungi are nasty critters, which can only live on organic matter produced by someone else. It may be parasitic (they take other cells apart and eat them) or they can live on dead matter, but nevertheless they absolutely need someone else to manufacture those nutrients for them. Most of those in lichens are a highly specialized and adapted form of parasite. They don't just live off the nutrients that the bacteria excrete, but actually poke the bacteria with tiny filaments and suck the nutrients right out of the living cell. The trapped bacteria are routinely killed in the process, but the colony survives by just allowing them to multiply faster than they're killed.

    Again, it's a survival advantage to be able to produce enough of an excess of nutrients, so you can survive (and make enough of a reserve to divide too) even with 3-4 fungal cells around you, all living off you.

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  8. Better options than biofuel from grain by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    TFA describes an approach with nice potential, but it seems to need a lot of work before it becomes commercially viable.
    Another is oil from algae: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algaculture#Algae_as_an_energy_source
    and it seems to be closer to commercial use.

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