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BusinessWeek Takes On the RIAA

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "BusinessWeek magazine has gone medieval on the RIAA, recounting in grisly detail the cruel ordeal to which the RIAA has subjected a completely innocent defendant, Tanya Andersen of Oregon. Nobody can read the story and come to any other conclusion than that the RIAA and its lawyers are total jerks. Of course we've been reading about Atlantic v. Andersen on p2pnet.net and on my blog, and discussing it here, but there's something extra special about a mainstream publication like Business Week really letting them have it."

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  1. It would be a good thing... by HetMes · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...if Slashdot started naming the large companies behind the RIAA at every occurrence, so any misbehavior on their part is directly related to the "Big Four". Right now, most of us reading about the RIAA don't directly associate them with Sony, Warner, EMI and Universal. And this is exactly what they intended! Let's not endulge them any further.

    1. Re:It would be a good thing... by erroneus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's probably rather true. In my mind, I expand "RIAA" into "Sony Warner EMI Universal" but almost no one else thinks this way.

    2. Re:It would be a good thing... by jnmontario · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I would have to agree. As a consumer, I avoid, if I can, businesses whose sales tactics/merchandise irritates me. This sometimes 'paints me into a corner' where my stubborn streak of punishing businesses means I forgo their product entirely. It drives my wife insane....I find it amazing she sticks with me.

    3. Re:It would be a good thing... by reallyjoel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Problem? Seems like a blessing to me.

    4. Re:It would be a good thing... by penix1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unfortunately the music industry comes across as one industry that has grown fat on not only screwing its own customers; but on screwing over many of its own artists to. And they has used some of the vast quantities of money that has passed through their accounts to "inform" (influence) political decisions, in relation to the music industry, for decades.


      It isn't just the media industry that has a choke hold on Congress. Yes, it is our fault but not for the reason you give. It is our fault because we give corporations, an immortal entity, the rights of a mortal man. Worse, because those corporations have no motivation beyond greed, they wield their power to feed that greed even to the detriment of real people.

      For the specific case of copyright, it is the only business model on the face of the planet where employees (read: distributors+"Artists") are expecting to be paid decades or even centuries after they are finished the job. Where this idea that a person can make a one-hit-wonder and be paid perpetually for it is so wrong it is laughable. In no other industry do you find employees being paid beyond what they actually worked much less having that paycheck go to their heirs well after their death. Imagine if every business had to continue to pay all their employees+heirs for 90+ years after they quit. Business would come to a screeching halt then. But yet we are OK with it when it comes to copyright....Go figure.
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    5. Re:It would be a good thing... by Narpak · · Score: 4, Informative

      I forgot to make a link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Corporation
      The movie/book might not be entirely objective, or cover all bases as well as it should, but I thought it would be relevant in reference to the debate about giving corporations "the rights of a mortal man" as the previous poster wrote.

    6. Re:It would be a good thing... by ChromaticDragon · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well... everyone else probably needs a good mnemonic.

      They could use something like this...

      What does RIAA remind you of? Pigs, right?

      And what does the RIAA love to do? SUE, right?

      And what do you say to call in the pigs?

      SUE-W.... SU-EW...

      Sony-Universal-EMI-Warner...

      Here piggie...

    7. Re:It would be a good thing... by ultranova · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Additionally, if you're currently benefiting from what an artist did ten years ago, for instance by listening to a song he performed, why would it be unfair for him to be compensated for it?

      I just returned from the bathroom. Should I send a check to whoever put the pipes in place ten years ago ?

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      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

    8. Re:It would be a good thing... by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, it is our fault but not for the reason you give. It is our fault because we give corporations, an immortal entity, the rights of a mortal man. Worse, because those corporations have no motivation beyond greed, they wield their power to feed that greed even to the detriment of real people. Corporations don't have motivations; they're not sentient. The shareholders, directors and employees choose how they act, are through whom they act and who take their profits have motivations. They're not sinister supernatural beings; they're just collections of humans being collectively human and responding to the incentives put on them and that they put on each other. And, of course, real humans are greedy, especially when they don't see the sharp end of their greed. If you want to change the behaviour of corporations you have to do it by changing the incentives on real people. And that can only be done through people - en masse - voting, buying, working and investing differently. It isn't going to happen by everyone pretending they're battling a monster from outer space. xelah, what you are saying is reasonable, but the GP had a good point. Essentially, under our legal system, a corporation is

      -a creation with a perpetual life,

      -whose primary function is to serve its shareholders' financial interests.

      I.e, it is an immortal sociopath.

      While consumer disinterest, etc., can have an effect, it is important in our society that the government -- which creates such 'immortals' -- regulate them quite carefully. To assume that market forces are alone sufficient to deter their excesses is just wrong.

      If doing harm is profitable, corporations are programmed to do harm. They are programmed to do anything they can get away with. It is up to the government which created these extraordinary creatures to limit what they can get away with.

      Regrettably, our courts have not yet shut down the RIAA's excesses, and our Congress -- far from shutting them down -- has shown itself to be quite deferential to the recording companies' wish to steal the internet from those who made it what it is.
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  2. Good on you by jnmontario · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The RIAA is fighting very hard to make sure that [Andersen's case] never reaches a jury," says Heidi Li Feldman. I would too if I were doing something on the fringe of legal in a twisted business model that pits your clients (recording artists) vs. their money source (consumers). Asshats!

  3. Contradictions by EdIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But aggressive steps are necessary, it says, to stop rampant piracy that it figures costs the U.S. record industry at least $3.7 billion annually in sales. "The magnitude of this [theft] is incalculable", says Richard L. Gabriel, lead national counsel for the RIAA and a partner at the Denver law firm Holme, Roberts, & Owen"
    You got to love that. When they are talking to judges the histrionics starts and the damage is "incalculable". Yet, when they need to justify their actions, or their claims for damages it becomes calculable pretty quickly doesn't it?

    Funny thing is, that I think their first statement is actually right. The damages are "incalculable" since they quite often used flawed studies, doctored data, fallacious logic, etc. to come up with that "3.7 billion" number in the first place.

    Of course at the rate they are going it won't be long before they claim that every single TCP session established with the defendant is an instance of possible copyright infringement, or theft, and that it would just be easier to calculate damages based upon some one's bandwidth :P
  4. Ridiculous lawyers. by Sj0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Gabriel says it's not accurate to say the RIAA dropped its suit for lack of evidence. He says the user name Gotenkito may have been inspired by Kylee, since she admitted she liked Dragon Ball Z, a Japanese anime TV series that has a character with a similar name. He also says Andersen said in her deposition that she knew or listened to some of the country and rock artists whose songs were offered for download.

    If you take a far enough stretch, you can 'prove' anything.

    Hey, anyone here ever heard of Bon Jovi? THERE! PROOF YOU'RE A THIEF!

    Hey, is your kid a fan of a wildly popular TV show? THERE! THE COMPLETELY UNRELATED GUY'S USERNAME WAS VAGUELY JAPANESE! PROOF POSITIVE YOU'RE A THIEF!

    Hey, RIAA member companies brought Rammstein, a german band, to prominence. Hitler was German. THERE! PROOF POSITIVE THAT THE RIAA HELPED RUN NAZI DEATH CAMPS!

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    It's been a long time.
  5. It's worrying actually by Xelios · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And here's the part that worries me, "The record labels declined to comment for this story, referring questions to the RIAA."

    Lets take the best case scenario and say this class action lawsuit ends up being 100% successful and destroys the RIAA. The record labels behind the organization will simply dissolve it, like a snake shedding old skin. The next day a new association will spring up, using new devious tactics for the next 10 years before they too are finally ousted, and so on. Until Sony, Universal, EMI and Warner are held accountable for the actions of the RIAA this won't change.

    They've done it at least once already, "The Settlement Support Center was a less public part of the initiative. Its name may suggest a neutral organization set up to resolve disputes with evenhanded objectivity. In fact, it was financed by the record industry and operated like a cross between a call center and a debt collection firm. The SSC has since been dissolved."

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    1. Re:It's worrying actually by TimHunter · · Score: 4, Informative

      The difference is, of course, that we're on to them now. Although the scenario you describe may have used to work, the 'net is putting a crimp in such plans. The web allows "regular people" to interact and organize at almost no cost. We can share information via blogs like Slashdot, p2pnet and Recording Industry vs. the People. The article says that Anderson "searched the Net for a case like hers." Her lawyer can use the 'net to find and communicate with other lawyers who are fighting the same fight to share advice and strategy.

      The 'net helps even the playing field. Think about Sony, still recovering from getting their asses handed to them over the rootkit debacle, backing off on their plan to charge extra for a crapware-free PC http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/03/sony-pay-an-ext.html within a day of the news hitting the intertubes.

      Go read the stories on the Consumerist http://consumerist.com/ about customers using the 'net to get refunds on bad deals and real service from fake "service departments" from the likes of Sears, Citibank, and Comcast. (Well, maybe not Comcast.)

      The Internet, like the printing press, is a transformative technology. That means nothing is ever going to be the same. You and I already know it and sooner or later Big Business will, too. For an excellent book on the power that the 'net brings us, check out Clay Shirky's Here Comes Everybody: The Power of Organizing Without Organizations.

  6. Q's and A's by Stanislav_J · · Score: 4, Insightful

    About time. The more "mainstream" pub on this whole debacle, the better. I think, if you were to lay out all the facts and history in front of the American people (well, those with brains, anyhoo), they would feel this way:

    Is piracy wrong? Yes.

    Does much P2P activity infringe on copyrights? Yes.

    Do copyright holders have the right to defend and protect those copyrights? Yes.

    Do the "yes" answers above justify bullying, intimidation, and harassment; spurious, questionable, and sometimes downright wrong technical claims; spying by 3rd parties; end runs around the legal system; or a general reluctance to allow accused file sharers to defend themselves, or take their case to a court of law? NO.

    The last question is where the RIAA loses whatever moral high ground they may have.

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    "Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket." -- Eric Hoffer
  7. Let's Stand Up - A Call to Action (mildly O/T) by rathehun · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Reading through this story, it continues to shock me -- not what asshats the RIAA etc are -- but that we here, at the collective hive-mind that is Slashdot, haven't already come up with a way to help people wrongly being prosecuted by them and their sleazy lawyers.

    There seems to be a clear pattern to their targets - people who know relatively little about technology and who are more likely to settle than battle it out in courts. I'd argue that we need to help these people out.

    About halfway down the story, the defendant, Tanya Andersen is said to have looked up information online, hoping to find information on similiar cases.

    Why don't we, through /., set up a site, aggregate information about similiar cases and build up a body of evidence to "[...] show that the RIAA engaged in serial bad-faith lawsuits [...]". In the long run, the space could serve as a place for debate on the current copyright regime, the inflated monetary value assigned to the songs/movies downloaded, etc.

    I'm sure that some of us here are lawyers as well - maybe some time could be spent decoding the various court documents/legal stuff that the RIAA sends out - a distributed legal advice centre (cue Beowulf joke)...

    This is just an idea, of course - but I'd be happy to get involved in whatever way I can. I have some small amount of expertise in building websites - perhaps that's the first place to start...

    1. Re:Let's Stand Up - A Call to Action (mildly O/T) by Ihmhi · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why don't we, through /., set up a site, aggregate information about similiar cases and build up a body of evidence to "[...] show that the RIAA engaged in serial bad-faith lawsuits [...]".

      Because that would take away from precious time ogling the latest Star Trek film or signing petitions to stop Uwe Boll from making movies. d:

      All jokes aside, if you are serious about such a project, then figure out what you need to do it technologically - is the site going to use PHP? Would you just do it easy and go with Wikimedia? etc.

      Once you have a rough plan, you would have to find people with the talents you need who are willing to help on their free time. Projects like this (ones where people don't get paid) often have staff members that abandon ship faster than a rowboat full of Cuban refugees at the Florida coast. Anyone working on it would have to document/comment everything appropriately so their inevitable successor can continue their work.

      What can you do? Well, if you wanted to fill the ambiguous position of "Project Lead", you can start by registering a .com and getting some decent hosting for the site. Again, you'll need a plan ahead of time aside from a few paragraphs in a /. comment to get some people to get on board with the project.

      Is theriaaareabunchofthievingbastards.com taken? It might be too long, but it makes the point...

    2. Re:Let's Stand Up - A Call to Action (mildly O/T) by n1ffo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why don't we, through /., set up a site, aggregate information about similiar cases and build up a body of evidence to "[...] show that the RIAA engaged in serial bad-faith lawsuits [...]". In the long run, the space could serve as a place for debate on the current copyright regime, the inflated monetary value assigned to the songs/movies downloaded, etc.

      It seems to me like Groklaw would be a perfect place for this sort of activity. After all, isn't it the sort of thing they did in the early days of the SCO trial?
  8. Saw the future last night by timeOday · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yesterday I heard about Nine Inch Nails new album (Ghosts) on NPR. I visited the band homepage, paid $5 (yes $5) via paypal, and downloaded the new album in FLAC. I didn't have to install a special software client (this turned me away from the amazon store), didn't have to use a centralized service, didn't have to create an "account" with a new password I'll never remember, nothing. Buy and enjoy. I'll admit I have downloaded unauthorized copies in the past. But at $5, which mostly goes straight to the artist, what is the excuse?

  9. Interesting choice of words by lysse · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Mr Gabriel, for the RIAA, asserts that:

    we could have pursued the case until the end of time.
    That's interesting in itself, considering that most people who engage in litigation only pursue a case until they win; is he in fact implicitly admitting that the RIAA could not have won the case, merely strung it out for as long as it took to bankrupt everyone else involved?
    1. Re:Interesting choice of words by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Informative

      Mr Gabriel, for the RIAA, asserts that: we could have pursued the case until the end of time.

      That's interesting in itself, considering that most people who engage in litigation only pursue a case until they win; is he in fact implicitly admitting that the RIAA could not have won the case, merely strung it out for as long as it took to bankrupt everyone else involved? Yes. That's his specialty. Stringing cases out until the end of time, until everyone else -- including his clients -- are bankrupted.
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