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DNA Link Found Between Frozen Aboriginal Man and 17 Living People

The Globe and Mail is reporting that scientists claim to have found a DNA link between the frozen remains of an aboriginal man and 17 living people. "While the work on the human DNA project has opened new doors and work will continue on establishing a fuller family tree, Long Ago Person Found's descendants said they finally have the opportunity to give their ancestor a proper burial. Because his lineage had never been established, no memorial potlatch could be held. Of the 17 people linked through DNA, 15 self-identify with the Wolf Clan, meaning the young man was most likely Wolf as well."

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  1. wolf clan ? by jacquesm · · Score: 2, Funny

    and here I was thinking lupus was a species, not a clan...

    1. Re:wolf clan ? by frosty_tsm · · Score: 3, Funny

      Haven't you ever played Mechwarrior?

    2. Re:wolf clan ? by kyriosdelis · · Score: 5, Funny

      So... you could say that these families are modern day "where wolfs"... "There wolf" --->
      "There castle" --->

      (roll, roll, roll in ze hay)

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    3. Re:wolf clan ? by pipingguy · · Score: 2, Funny

      What terrible spelling and word use. I assume that since it's after 5PM, you have already slipped your brains through slot in door.

      Regards,

      Anthony Bernard Normal

    4. Re:wolf clan ? by maquah · · Score: 5, Informative

      For a great many Aboriginal peoples, Clans or, in my language, Dodems [the source of the English word "Totemic"], are a very important part of family relationships and identity. I am Bear Dodem - that's what my screen name here at SlashDot means, "Bear." I can understand how people who don't know very much about Indigenous traditions - and the beauty which we have with the enduring wisdom of our ancient legacy - might think that our sacred relationships with wolves and bears and eagles... and lots of other animals... are HaHaHa funny. To us, they are sacred. If you'd like to read more, several years ago my (now-deceased) husband, Wub-e-ke-niew, wrote an article explaining some of our culture and its value for us. It's online at http://www.maquah.net/AhnishinahbaeotjibwayReflections/1996/1996-02-11_Ahnishinahaeotjibway_Dodems.html

    5. Re:wolf clan ? by AdonaiElohim · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just FYI, most of the white people you know probably have "clan" names that are precisely as "sacred" as yours. For example "Garfield" means "spear-field" and signifies a SACRED BATTLE GROUND for the GERMANIC PEOPLES. "Herbert" means "ARMY-BRIGHT". And so on.

  2. He's my great^^27 grandpa! by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 2

    He could be. And he probably would be if they checked my DNA. But who knows? TFA is really short on information.
    There is no mention of the methodology of the study, particularly on how the samples were chosen, or if there was a control group.

    Did they decide how close was close enough and then go looking for DNA? Or did they look first and then say "That seems close enough."? To me, the only intellectually honest way to do it would be the former. There has to be a possibility of the answer being "Nobody that we found was close enough".

    I don't wish to criticize these researchers based on the absence of information, but it is remarkably convenient for them that they came up with the politically correct and properly ethnically sensitive result. It makes a cynic like me suspicious.

    1. Re:He's my great^^27 grandpa! by jfengel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Globe and Mail isn't exactly Science. It's not even Scientific American.

      The article focus almost exclusively on the reactions of people to the news. It mentions a "symposium" but not the name of it or who was holding it.

      Presumably, there will be a journal article out of it, and if that article passes peer review, you'll hear from it again. Meantime, dismiss anything scientific you read in the daily papers. They're just astonishingly bad at reporting science.

      A bit of googling on the name of the one scientist mentioned in the article suggests that this is the lecture they're talking about.

    2. Re:He's my great^^27 grandpa! by swid27 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Here's an article abstract.

      For the lazy, they tested his mitochondrial DNA (he turned out to be a member of mtDNA haplogroup A), and compared that to a number of living people. None of the 17 matches are his direct descendants, but have a common matrilineal ancestry.

    3. Re:He's my great^^27 grandpa! by moosesocks · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, given that the body's only 150-300 years old, and was found in a remote, sparsely-populated, and geographically isolated area, it's not really all that surprising that some sort of chain of ancestry was able to be established linking him to the present-day natives of that area.

      In fact, I'd be more surprised if a link wasn't found.

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    4. Re:He's my great^^27 grandpa! by jd · · Score: 3, Informative
      The place to start might be a Most Recent Common Ancestor calculation. You then figure how recent the most recent common ancestor has to be before you consider the people related. Finally, you analyse established Y-DNA or mtDNA markers and look for both the number of markers different and the genetic distance. Scroll down the page for the info. From this, you can get the probability that those two individuals share a common ancestor within the designated timeframe.

      A second, and probably more typical approach for archaeological DNA work, is to not bother with such details and just go for a handful of markers, just sufficient to identify the basic group of individuals the person belonged to. Ken Nordvedt has produced a nice set of diagrams showing how different branches of the I haplogroup are related, with emphasis on the so-called "ultraNorse" group, which appear to have had two founding families.

      If you can identify a specific set of genetic markers that is common to a set of verifiably related individuals that do not occur in verifiably unrelated individuals, then those markers can be used to identify a loosely-defined group. Loosely, because you're only using a few markers and therefore know only limited information about the general deep ancestory, you know very little about the specifics and certainly don't have enough information to get a timeframe. But it's enough to establish a relationship of sorts.

      (A great many English people belong to genetic groups associated with the Anglo-Saxons, for example, but would not necessarily regard themselves as meaningfully related, even though if you go far enough back, they probably are.)

      The Genography project uses 12 Y-DNA markers and Hyper Variable Region 1 from the Mitochondrial DNA. This will tell you something about relationships in the order of a thousand to ten thousand years past. I would not regard this as a good test for this aboriginal man who was only a few hundred years old. 67 markers would be considered adequate for genealogy on the same timeframe because almost all will be exactly the same. The differences over such small timeframes will be only just measurable on a 67-marker comparison.

      The Famous DNA listings are probably not much better, mostly because they're often reconstructions. Pick N people believed to be descended from X, then find the markers all have in common. Those markers are then assumed to have also been present in X and so if you are a descendent of X. Well, all it actually tells you is if you belong to the same genetic grouping, but that group may be a thousand years prior to X, the common ancestor may have been X's brother/sister (depending on the DNA tested), etc. It can tell you if there's a rough match, but that's it.

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  3. Re:Send your own DNA via Facebook by jacquesm · · Score: 2, Funny

    sending genes to my friends is limited to a select number of females in my case ;)

  4. Unfortunately... by CanadianRealist · · Score: 3, Funny

    Due to the lack of a frozen will, the 17 people will now be heading off to court to fight over who inherits the frozen wooden bowl and spoon found with the man.

  5. Re:Meh by icebike · · Score: 2, Interesting

    > He might have only died 160 years ago. I'd be
    > more impressed if he'd been dead for thousands of
    > years.

    Exactly so.

    This hardly qualifies as Archeology at all.

    Further, in spite of the hand wringing in TFA, is does nothing but discredit native verbal traditions as a source of scientific information.

    First, no verbal traditions provided the slightest clue as to his id or even his clan/tribe. The fact that he was extracted from a glacier, reasonably intact, and NOBODY could pin down his tribe/clan from his clothing, and personal effects says the traditions are little more than stories.

    Second, a certain racism rears its ugly head with regard to the new found relatives statement that he could ONLY NOW be given "the respect and dignity he deserves." Really? Heaven forbid the native people accorded a white man the dignity of a proper native ceremony.

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  6. Yukon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Because the summary didn't bother to explain what Wolf Clan....

    This would be the Wolf Clan of the Champagne and Aishihik First Nations in Yukon, Canada. Their traditional territory is about an hour and a half from Whitehorse, around Haines Junction. I live in Whitehorse but I'm not of this first nation. I believe they had strong trade ties with coastal first nations, I want to say Tlingit but I'm probably wrong.

    It's an interesting discovery and an interesting moment for that first nation.

  7. Re:well, we tried damn hard... by icebike · · Score: 2

    Who is this WE you speak of?

    Inuit/Inupiat and Eskimo people have never had their culture attacked, discredited or suppressed. They have never been defeated in battle, and never have been made war upon.

    Not in Alaska and not in Canada. If anything, native cultures of the far north are celebrated far in excess of their actual accomplishments.

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  8. Oblig: by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's never lupus.

  9. Re:well, we tried damn hard... by icebike · · Score: 2, Interesting

    30 years living in Alaska tells me you are just wrong, and ignorant of the facts.

    The language is dyeing because it is largely useless to them, preserved mostly for historical purposes.

    It is still taught, both at home, and in schools. You can even enroll in college courses teaching these languages.

    Just as Norwegian is lost to by the second generation after immigration from Norway, so too is Inuit. Not by suppression. Simply thru disuse. A choice made by the peoples themselves.

    These people have never been beaten. Their pride is intact. I've lived there. Have you? Or is this just more liberal ranting?

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  10. Re:well, we tried damn hard... by AhtirTano · · Score: 3, Informative

    I am a specialist in North American indigenous languages. I work with multiple reservations on language and cultural revitalization, and while I do not work with any of the Alaskan communities, we attend the same symposiums, training sessions, conferences, etc.

    You say the natives of Alaska have never been beaten or suppressed? Then why don't they have local sovereignty? They used to. Why are the lands of culturally distinct bands like the Tlingit and Haida controlled by Corporations (albeit natively owned), like Sealaska Inc.? Are you suggesting they asked for that socio-political structure? Just because we didn't just flat-out kill 95% of them (like in California), we didn't beat or suppress them? If there was no issue, why have there been two major acts of Congress designed to fix the situation?

    Russia, Canada, and the United States took their lands, and changed their entire system of social organization, politics, and economics. (Only the last was inevitable.) They didn't get the same level of warfare, forced boarding schools, and outlawed religions as other groups further east and south, but to say that equals "not suppressed" doesn't follow. We forced upon them a socio-economic system that discourages the continuation of their ways and language. That's suppression, even if it is a "nicer" form of it than often otherwise practiced.

  11. Kevin Bacon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The irony is that one of them is Kevin Bacon!

  12. Re:well, we tried damn hard... by toiletsalmon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Out of curiosity, if his/hers is "liberal ranting", then I'm curious to know how you'd classify YOUR ranting?

    Additionally, your use of the phrase "These people" leads me to believe that you aren't "one of them" so then the other question I have is: How can you be so familiar with another person's culture that you feel it's acceptable to speak on their behalf?

    Assuming that you're a "white guy" (I know I could be wrong...), I'd say that many of "us black folks" speak of and about "white people" in ways that you will probably never be aware of because, well, you're not "one of us". I would think it very likely to be the same for these people.