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Threads Considered Harmful

LBR9 writes "James Reinders compares native threads with the goto statement so famously denounced 40 years ago by Edsger Dijkstra. Paraphrasing Dijkstra, he says they both 'make a mess of a program,' and then argues in favor of a higher level of abstraction. A couple of people commenting on the post question whether or not we should be even be treading into the 'swamp of parallelism,' echoing the view recently espoused by Donald Knuth."

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  1. I disagree with both this guy AND Dijkstra by halivar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Goto's and global variables are not inherently wrong or evil. They are tools. Granted, they are tools that, if misused, will wreak havoc on your code's stability and maintainability. The same could be said, however, for pointers. Threads are dangerous, and require special care. This is not a reason to avoid them; it is only a reason to be incredibly careful with them.

    Use the best tool for the job, regardless of whether your CS professors demonized it or not.

  2. processes by mkcmkc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well, for starters, there's processes, which were invented in the 1960s. These may not handle every case, but in my experience they'd cover 95+%...

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  3. Fancy programming languages are NOT the solution. by ulatekh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm tired of reading replies to this article that evangelize some fancy-schmancy high-level solution. I wonder if these advocates have ever tried writing production code in such an environment.

    Let me give you a wonderful example of when theory simply doesn't meet reality.

    Recently, I wrote a bunch of multi-threaded code for a next-generation asymmetric-multiprocessing game console that shall remain nameless. Its operating system has a wonderful complement of synchronization features. There's the usual mutex lock/unlock, and the usual condition signal/wait, but there are also event queues (queues of generic events that can be passed between threads running on different types of processors), lightweight mutexes/conditions, spinlocks, semaphores, reader/writer locks, and so on and so on. Truly a rich palette from which one can paint a wonderfully synchronized multi-threaded application! I then proceeded to try to rewrite a key section of our code in a very multi-threaded way.

    The problem was, the first version of this code added NINETY milliseconds per frame to our main thread. A profile showed that nearly all of the extra time was spent in the operating system's synchronization features.

    After much rewriting and much pain, I stopped using all of the operating system's synchronization features, and used processor-level atomic operations instead, and finally, the extra code accounted for only FOUR milliseconds per frame in our main thread (with the rest of the time successfully farmed out to separate threads).

    I challenge anyone with a fancy-schmancy automatic concurrency solution to demonstrate that it doesn't have this problem.

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