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OpenSolaris Indiana Released

Lally Singh writes "The Linux-friendly OpenSolaris Indiana has been released! A new, modern package manager and all the goodies of Solaris: ZFS, DTrace, SMF, and Xen on a LiveCD that was designed for Linux users. 'Why use the OpenSolaris OS you ask? It's pretty simple, you'll find it full of unique features like the new Image Packaging System (IPS), ZFS as the default filesystem, DTrace enabled packages for extreme observability and performance tuning, and many many more. We think you'll be quite happy to came by to take a look!'"

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  1. Re:Still not sold by Tuzanor · · Score: 5, Informative
    ZFS doesnt offer me anything as im not managing servers
    Don't want easy raid/storage expansion on your desktop? You don't want efficient storage?
    Dtrace doesnt offer me anything as im not a developer
    You don't want to know how your system is performing in a way like never before? I'm not a developer, but a sysadmin and use dtrace every day to tell those pesky developers that yes, it's actually THEIR CODE that's at fault at not the server I setup for them. It's also neat to be able to easily see what process is using how much network bandwidth in realtime. That was difficult before.
    SMF doesnt offer me anything i cant do with startup
    I don't like the complexity of SMF, but it's self-healing for the stuff that's already built for it is cool as is it's dependancy checking.
    IPS doesnt seam any better than deb or rpm
    It's better than just RPM, but it's about the same as deb or yum. It's a big step foreward for what was a commercial OS.

    I can tell you haven't even tried solaris 10, but give it a swig. Before solaris 10 I wrote (often rightly) wrote of Sun. Why would I pay a premium for something FreeBSD can do for free and outperforms it? The hardware is cool (see coolthreads processors...it's hyperthreading done right), it's affordable, and it's innovative. It may not be compelling enough to switch from linux or whatever if all you use from a desktop is firefox and thunderbird, but there is actually some VERY cool stuff in there. Don't write it off. There's a reason FreeBSD is taking in a lot of these features.

  2. Re:Image Packaging System? by anilg · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Image" in the name refers to the ability of the packageiung system to install to a chroot-like enviornment. The Distribution constructor (what actually builds the iso) basically creates an "image" area, installs the packages to this are, compresses it, and converts it to an iso.

    Apart from that, you can also create partial images, which is a space you as a normal user can install packages to. These link back to the libraries already installed.

    I'm sure some of these features are available in existing linux packaging systems. But these are things the Opensolaris community has wanted for a long time.

    Apart from these features IPS also has automatic snapshoting (using ZFS in the background), so you can revert your system back to earlier snapsots.

    All in all a very effective packaging system

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  3. Re:Still not sold by Sillygates · · Score: 5, Informative

    ZFS is a marginal improvement at best over what's already available. I disagree. I guess you haven't seen one of the common types of data corruption that can happen with raided disks.
    It's a common misconception that raid "prevents" data corruption.

    RAID only protects you against (complete) hardware failures, and "noisy" IO errors.
    Consider:
    You have bad data on disk, but the hard drive reads the bad data without error.
    With parity, (even assuming the parity is read upon each read request, which would be a faulty assumption), raid 5 has no way of telling which disk is bad, or whether the parity is bad.

    Unlike raid, ZFS has end to end checksumming, so it knows when the data on disk is bad, and it knows which copy is bad, too.

    Unfortunately though, from what I've heard, ZFS isn't stable enough for production environments yet:
    http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2008/Jan/15/joyent_backup_services_down_for_three_days.html
    read these comments
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  4. Re:Still not sold by QuantumRiff · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sun has a video out that I'm too lazy to search for here, where they run ZFS on a bunch of pen drives, plugged into a USB 2.0 Hub. Faster, and fault tolerant. Pretty amazing. ZFS is not for just servers. Think of apples "time machine" software. Also, ZFS includes lots of Metadata and checksums, to prevent bit-rot of your files.

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  5. Re:Still not sold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    (I work for Sun)

    These days we see a lot of performance related calls being logged by customers
    DTrace is a massive leap forwards
    I would really not write off Solaris, it's far from dead

  6. Re:Difference between Indiana and Nexenta? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Solaris 11 = The upcoming version of Solaris.

    "Project Indiana" was just the codname for founding OpenSolaris

    OpenSolaris = Bleeding-Edge Test Version of Solaris 11 (Think "Alpha")
    Solaris Express = Snapshot of OpenSolaris found to be "relatively stable". (Think "Beta")
    Solaris 10 = The full "retail" version, often updated with features seeping up from OpenSolaris, that needs to run fine and be perfectly stable on Big Iron.

  7. Re:Still not sold by GuyverDH · · Score: 4, Informative

    zfs is light years beyond typical raid environments... software or hardware...

    most raid environments don't do checksumming at every step of the data write / read process.
    most raid environments cannot detect silent corruption (bad cache, bad sector, flipped bit, etc) once the data has been read or written.
    most raid environments don't offer double parity.
    most raid environments require that the entire raid array be initialized at once, wasting potentially hours of time for the formatting/initializing to be completed.
    most raid environments when using off the shelf SATA/PATA drives can potentially go bad, even with parity... If you were doing a RAID 5 array with TB size drives, there's a potential that the MTBE can be reached while regenerating data on a replaced volume from parity causing the entire array to be toasted.

    All of these things are not issues with ZFS....

    ZFS is easily expandable, automatically realigns that data as you expand the pool, can have multiple sub-mount points (mounted anywhere) that can have different attributes - like compressing/shared/extended permissions/iSCSI and more on the way, like encryption, multiple compression algorithms, etc....

    I've played/worked with ZFS now for over 2 years and have never lost a single bit of data - even though I've tried...

    Build your RAIDZ pool on 20 drives, in 2 disk expansion units attached to 2 channels of a single SCSI card (10 drives per channel)... now shut the box down, remove all the drives, move them around between units, add an additional scsi card to the box, split the disks up between the scsi cards so they are now split 5 per channel, take one drive back out, and erase it... hold onto it for later...

    Bring the box back up... the pool will come back online without problems, running degraded as one drive is missing.
    now put the erased drive back in, and issue a resilver command, wait a while (not as long as a standard raid controller would take) and voila - all data that was stored on that erased drive is back and in place, and the pool is no longer running in degraded performance mode.

    try any of that with a standard raid controller and your data is f0rked!

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