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Terrorist Recognition Handbook

Ben Rothke writes "There are two types of writers about terrorism, experts such as Daniel Pipes and Steven Emerson who write from a distance and others that write graphic tales of first-hand from the trenches war stories. Terrorist Recognition Handbook: A Practitioner's Manual for Predicting and Identifying Terrorist Activities, is unique in that author Malcolm Nance is a 20-year veteran of the U.S. intelligence community and writes from a first hand-perspective, but with the organization and methodology of writers such as Pipes and Emerson. Those combined traits make the book extraordinarily valuable and perhaps the definitive text on terrorist recognition." Read below for the rest of Ben's review Terrorist Recognition Handbook: A Practitioner's Manual for Predicting and Identifying Terrorist Activities, Second Edition author Malcolm Nance pages 480 publisher CRC rating 10 reviewer Ben Rothke ISBN 978-1420071832 summary Perhaps the definitive text on terrorist recognition.

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  1. That's easy by peipas · · Score: 4, Funny

    You don't need any book to identify terrorists.

    1. Re:That's easy by dreamchaser · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I know you were joking, but comparing the likes of the RIAA to those who blow themselves up to kill innocent people in order to make a political statement is just as bad or worse than the RIAA saying that downloading is stealing. Both are unnecessary hyperbole that cheapens the real meanings of 'terrorism' and 'theft'.

    2. Re:That's easy by Bishop+Rook · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't think grandparent was calling the RIAA terrorists, but rather was mocking a recent claim from the content-mongers that "piracy helps the terrorists."

    3. Re:That's easy by chthon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Although this has been known for some time. It's not poor, defenseless people who become terrorists, no matter how much mr. Obama would like them to be. It's knowledgeable, rational, intelligent and rich people, who have but to choose from the thousands of opportunities the world offers them (like he himself is, or any presidential candidate obviously).

      yes, people have forgotten the lessons of the seventies about the Baader-Meinhof group.

  2. The Sad Part by kellyb9 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This appears to be a rather intelligent look at the issue, but the sad part is I have to wonder how many TSA employees are actually going to read it, especially at airports.

    1. Re:The Sad Part by eldavojohn · · Score: 2, Funny

      This appears to be a rather intelligent look at the issue, but the sad part is I have to wonder how many TSA employees are actually going to read it, especially at airports. Second guessing the United States Government?! I see you are a perfect match of the subject of Chapter 25: The Elusive Tinfoil Hat Thought Crime Terrorist of Mother's Basement.
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    2. Re:The Sad Part by Talderas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't think this book is designed to say "Look for these physical features to identify potential terrorists." That's basically the book for dummies that you need for TSA.

      Instead it appears that his book is more oriented towards explaining the workings of a terrorist organization. How they think, how they act, how they recruit, and what factors increase the chances of a terrorist act.

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    3. Re:The Sad Part by d3ac0n · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Or how many TSA Employees can READ at all.

      It never fails to amaze me that, when faced with the monumental failure of our bureaucracies to prevent 9/11, we respond by creating yet another bureaucracy. And, to top it off, we allow the dang thing to be unionized, thus ensuring it's utter failure and moribundity for all time.

      Sometimes I wonder if we deserve what our forefathers left to us.

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    4. Re:The Sad Part by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 2, Funny

      TSA published a similar guide, but it was much shorted:
      "the subject is white" = allow
      "the subject is not white" = deny

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    5. Re:The Sad Part by DesScorp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While I completely agree that the creation of the TSA bureaucracy was a bad move (and one hell of an inconvenience to us in the Airport sector), I work with some of these people, and saying things like "can they even read?" is kind of trollish. They've got good people working for TSA. They seem to be bright, hard working, and some are very well educated (there are some good federal pay grades at TSA that attract these people, after all). So if you have a problem with TSA, you need to take it up with the Federal Government, not the actual TSA agents that are just doing their jobs as they're instructed to. And while I bemoan the fact that we have a huge new bureaucracy, the fact is, these TSA people are far and away better at their jobs than the minimum wage part-timers they replaced. For all of our gripes about TSA from the Airport/Airline side of things, we don't miss the days of the old baggage screeners.

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    6. Re:The Sad Part by lgw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The TSA is a government agency searching people without any specific evidence that any specifc person has committed any specific crime. Not searching "upon oath or affirmation," not searching upon "probable cause," just searching everyone. How could you be more blatently in violation of the 4th amendment? I realize we as a nation don't care much about that amendment since we discarded it for DWI checkpoints, but this is particularly abusive.

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  3. No book necessary by dave562 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I always thought that terrorists were anyone designated by the United States State Department, or Department of Fatherland Security as being opposed to US foreign policy.

    1. Re:No book necessary by dave562 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I was going for Funny but Insightful is what I got. There is obviously enough truth in there to resonate with moderators. Thanks for calling me a petulant child. That's great. Congratulations. Do you feel more comfortable now that you've fed your ego and demeaned me? You should consider going to work for the Pentagon. I hear that they are putting a big emphasis on communications these days.

      As a counterpoint to your statement about very few governmental agencies being considered sponsors of terrorism, consider the number of people on government maintained no fly lists. You don't necessarily have to be a member of a foreign government to be opposed to US foreign policy and because of that opposition to be considered a threat.

  4. Daniel Pipes? An expert? Feh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The only thing that guy's an expert on is hating Arabs and Muslims. He's a radical, bigoted putz. Fuck him.

    Posting anonymously to avoid having to deal with all the Slashcons who will pile on to tell me that all the Mooslimes are TEH TERRORIZTS!

  5. This is easy! by smaerd · · Score: 2, Funny

    If they weigh the same as a duck....

  6. Speaking of terroists... by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I'd like to take the opportunity to plug Cory Doctorow's latest novel, Little Brother.

    A must-read for anyone concerned about the direction our nation is heading.

    Here's an excerpt that's very relevant to the topic in question:

    If you ever decide to do something as stupid as build an automatic terrorism detector, here's a math lesson you need to learn first. It's called "the paradox of the false positive," and it's a doozy.

    Say you have a new disease, called Super-AIDS. Only one in a million people gets Super-AIDS. You develop a test for Super-AIDS that's 99 percent accurate. I mean, 99 percent of the time, it gives the correct result -- true if the subject is infected, and false if the subject is healthy. You give the test to a million people.

    One in a million people have Super-AIDS. One in a hundred people that you test will generate a "false positive" -- the test will say he has Super-AIDS even though he doesn't. That's what "99 percent accurate" means: one percent wrong.

    What's one percent of one million?

    1,000,000/100 = 10,000

    One in a million people has Super-AIDS. If you test a million random people, you'll probably only find one case of real Super-AIDS. But your test won't identify one person as having Super-AIDS. It will identify 10,000 people as having it.

    Your 99 percent accurate test will perform with 99.99 percent inaccuracy.

    That's the paradox of the false positive. When you try to find something really rare, your test's accuracy has to match the rarity of the thing you're looking for. If you're trying to point at a single pixel on your screen, a sharp pencil is a good pointer: the pencil-tip is a lot smaller (more accurate) than the pixels. But a pencil-tip is no good at pointing at a single atom in your screen. For that, you need a pointer -- a test -- that's one atom wide or less at the tip.

    This is the paradox of the false positive, and here's how it applies to terrorism:

    Terrorists are really rare. In a city of twenty million like New York, there might be one or two terrorists. Maybe ten of them at the outside. 10/20,000,000 = 0.00005 percent. One twenty-thousandth of a percent.

    That's pretty rare all right. Now, say you've got some software that can sift through all the bank-records, or toll-pass records, or public transit records, or phone-call records in the city and catch terrorists 99 percent of the time.

    In a pool of twenty million people, a 99 percent accurate test will identify two hundred thousand people as being terrorists. But only ten of them are terrorists. To catch ten bad guys, you have to haul in and investigate two hundred thousand innocent people.

    Guess what? Terrorism tests aren't anywhere close to 99 percent accurate. More like 60 percent accurate. Even 40 percent accurate, sometimes.

    What this all meant was that the Department of Homeland Security had set itself up to fail badly. They were trying to spot incredibly rare events -- a person is a terrorist -- with inaccurate systems.

    Is it any wonder we were able to make such a mess?
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    1. Re:Speaking of terroists... by spotter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      except, what cory doesn't get is that you've now limited your set from 1 mil to 10,000. What may not be efficient to test on 1mil, may be efficient to test on 10,000.

      Its like NP complete problem. You have an algorithm that works, but it doesn't scale. If you can make an approximation solution that trims the set to a reasonable size where the scaling problems of algorithm don't hurt you as much, you have a win.

      So, it doesn't matter that it identifies 10,000 wrong people. What matters is how do you deal with those 10,000 wrong people. Do you automatically assume they are bad, or do you say we put them through a tougher form of screening.

    2. Re:Speaking of terroists... by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

      except, what cory doesn't get is that you've now limited your set from 1 mil to 10,000. What may not be efficient to test on 1mil, may be efficient to test on 10,000.

      While that may be true enough for the hypothetical case you referenced, real life gets a bit more difficult.

      Instead of a hypothetical population of one million, try the population of NYC (20 million).

      Instead of a hypothetical "nearly perfect" terrorist test with 100% sensitivity and 99% specificity (1% false positives, 0% false negatives), try a more realistic estimate of 40-60% specificity, with an indeterminate level of sensitivity (40-60% false positives, indeterminate number of false negatives).

      In short, this more realistic assessment will trim your initial set of 20 million to 8-12 million, with who knows how many real terrorists slipping through the cracks. Not terribly helpful, is it?

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    3. Re:Speaking of terroists... by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So it does not work perfectly, I believe your math.

      Actually, it's Cory's math, not mine.

      What should we do? Stick our heads in the sand and ignore the threat? Rationalize that you are more likely to die in a car accident, so take no action?

      I'm not advocating a course of action here...I'm merely pointing out that a "terrorist test" is doomed to failure.

      If the DHS is set up to fail, they appear to have not had any failures in the last few years. May not be perfect, but maybe it is working?

      Excellent point. On a related noted, I have a rock that repels tigers...perhaps you would be interested in purchasing it.

      Seriously, can you point out any successes? After all, if I put on a bulletproof vest, and spend the next few hours without someone shooting at me, that cannot be taken as proof that the vest can successfully stop bullets.

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    4. Re:Speaking of terroists... by 2short · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "So it does not work perfectly, I believe your math. What should we do? Stick our heads in the sand and ignore the threat? Rationalize that you are more likely to die in a car accident, so take no action?"

      There are more options for what to do than "anything" and "nothing". We should do things that make sense, and that work. If someone points out that one thing we could do doesn't work, it does not make sense to say "Oh well, we gotta do something". We shouldn't do things that don't work, not even if we can't think of anything that does.

      "I think people that pay cash for a one-way airline ticket need extra scrutiny."

      How much extra scrutiny, at how much extra cost? It depends on how likely they are to be bad guys, doesn't it? People who buy one way tickets with cash are almost guaranteed to not be terrorists, because a lot of people do that every day for perfectly reasonable reasons, and there aren't very many terrorists. That's not even considering that actual terrorists can trivially adapt to your test and avoid scrutiny by not doing that. Spending any resources looking at last-minute one-way ticket buyers is a waste.

      "If the DHS is set up to fail, they appear to have not had any failures in the last few years. May not be perfect, but maybe it is working?"

      I wore my lucky red shirt to the doctors office again, and again I didn't have cancer...

      DHS/TSA, for all I know, may be doing various effective, but less visible things. The specific, visible task of identifying terrorists at airport security checkpoints is basically impossible.

    5. Re:Speaking of terroists... by TrekkieGod · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So it does not work perfectly, I believe your math. What should we do? Stick our heads in the sand and ignore the threat? Rationalize that you are more likely to die in a car accident, so take no action?

      That's not 'rationalizing.' That's proper allocation of resources. I could spend a really long time optimizing code that access data in memory and get it to be a few milliseconds faster, but if most of the time spent in the code is writing to disk, then I would be an idiot to not work on optimizing that aspect of the program instead.

      I think people that pay cash for a one-way airline ticket need extra scrutiny.

      I think people that move money around internationally through sketchy banks need some examination.

      I'm not willing to jeopardize the freedoms and the privacy of thousands of innocent people to catch one or two criminals. The cure you're proposing is worse than the disease.

      If you can identify who is paying for one-way airline tickets and a way of knowing who is paying cash for their tickets, or knowing where I'm moving my money to, then that's already an unacceptable intrusion into my life. That's before the "extra scrutiny" you think I deserve if I did any of those things. You should have to acquire some reason to suspect me of any wrongdoing and then go to a court and get a warrant in order to find out where I'm traveling to, and where I'm sending my money to.

      I think people with terrorist ties need some looking at.

      If the government has enough reason to suspect that anyone has terrorist ties, they should have no problem getting warrants and requesting information from banks and airlines as to where these people are going and where they're sending they're money. They can also get a legal wiretap. But they need to have that terrorist connection suspicion first, and then they need to get individual warrants.

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    6. Re:Speaking of terroists... by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      [dhs.gov]

      You're joking, right? The only references on that page I saw pertaining to foiled terrorist attacks were the case of the "binary explosives" plot and the case of the Fort Dix Six. Regarding the former, it has already been debunked so many times that I'm surprised the DHS hasn't removed the reference from sheer shame. In the case of the latter, six guys who plotted to take on a military base with a couple of firearms, and were caught because they took their jihad training video to Circuit City to burn to DVD? Seriously? We're supposed to buy this?

      Every single "terrorist threat" since 9/11 (which is itself suspect) has been either a ridiculous exaggeration, an entrapment scheme, or an outright hoax.

      If you live in a war zone, I would keep my bulletproof vest on. Just because you did not get shot at today does not mean you are safe for tomorrow.

      1) I don't live in a war zone. Neither do you.
      2) You missed my point most spectacularly. Until a real bullet hits that vest, there is no proof that it can deflect bullets.

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    7. Re:Speaking of terroists... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2

      Uh, yeah, I have taken statistics courses myself, and this exact problem was covered. I have repeated the exact math, conditional probability and all directly from my notes, on several occasions for Slashdot, specifically with regard to some people in the aftermath of Columbine who were suggesting that they could profile students and determine which were dangerous.

      It's bullshit. When something is as rare as a terrorist, any time your "test" gives a positive match the odds are vastly in favor of you having an innocent person in your custody.

      The difference with medicine is that first, the patient self-selects by coming to see a doctor because they have certain symptoms. Next, they're usually testing for actual physical conditions rather than trying to find out if a person secretly wants to blow up buildings, meaning that after performing a general screening test that can focus on more accurate but more expensive versions, and perform other tests to rule out other explanations. And here's the important part: Any consequences of the subsequent testing, or any treatments carried out under the assumption that the test was correct, can be openly discussed with the patient who can agree or disagree that the risks are worth it.

      Do you think someone picked up by a Terrorist Detector is going to be able to opt-out of the subsequent interrogation or six year stay at Gitmo?

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    8. Re:Speaking of terroists... by Bonobo_Unknown · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "So it does not work perfectly, I believe your math. What should we do? Stick our heads in the sand and ignore the threat? Rationalize that you are more likely to die in a car accident, so take no action?"
      You will save more lives if you spend the money on preventing car accidents than spending on anti terrorism. I assume the aim of the game is to save lives?
      It should all be about bang for your buck. You can only do so much, so do the most effective.
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  7. if you buy that book ... by Lazy+Jones · · Score: 4, Funny
    ... it's very likely that you are a terrorist who wants to know how not to be recognized. ;-)

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  8. Identifying terrorist doesn't solve the problem by vertinox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm sure if the TSA reads this it will be better for most people in general but it does not solve the core problem of terrorist. You catch or kill one and there is ten more to replace him.

    Its like the problem with Vietnam for the US and Afghanistan for the Soviet. Sometimes you cannot win by force. Either it has to come to understand, negotiation, or at least putting them at arms length such as building a massive security wall like Israel.

    Having military bases in these people's lands, other throwing legitimate governments for over 50 years, and backing unpopular dictators is what causes them to attack us. Not because we believe in freedom or a different religion. We stop messing with things over there and when we do that the common man who currently supports the terrorists and their Jihad will be more apathetic and the popular support base the terrorists enjoy now will go away.

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    1. Re:Identifying terrorist doesn't solve the problem by forgotten_my_nick · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > core problem of terrorist. You catch or kill one and
      > there is ten more to replace him.

      While you are correct somewhat here your premise as how to combat it is flawed.

      When dealing with terrorism you need to determine why those ten would want to replace him. For example if you were fire a missile into a market during its busy hours to kill one terrorist and maim/kill many bystanders. Actions like that is what grows more terrorists.

      Even if you don't do this then the actions tend to be related to civil rights abuses. Terrorism is normally the weapon of the desperate against an opposing force. If they are on our side then we call them "freedom fighters".

      Ignoring the middle east the best example of this is Northern Ireland. Prior to the civil rights abuses in Northern Ireland the IRA didn't really have any real following. Sure you still get the gangsters and loons joining, but those who would normally define as rational/sane would of been in the minority if at all. It took actions from the British like Internment and Bloody Sunday to really get the ranks of the IRA up. That lead to 30 years of violence.

      Once civil rights abuses were addressed in Northern Ireland the violence and support went away. It is not gone. You will always have some level of people who will disagree with actions. But the point is to stop the recruits. That you can't fight with weapons.

  9. thousands of lives could have been saved by flaming+error · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Had the Bush administration consulted Nance, a trillion dollars and thousands of lives could have been saved in the Iraq debacle. That's a nice thought, but at the time Bush invaded Iraq, there was no evidence of any suicide-bomber/radical muslim sort of terrorist threat from Iraq. Everybody knew that.

    But now that Iraq is a terrorist training ground, it sounds like it'd be a good book for the Bush Administration to read. If only this were the kind of Administration that reads.
  10. Re:Daniel Pipes? An expert? Feh. by alexgieg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only thing that guy's an expert on is hating Arabs and Muslims. He's a radical, bigoted putz. Fuck him. No, he isn't. In all his articles he makes the distinction between Muslims proper and what he calls "Islamofascism", i.e., people who are de facto fascists (in the technical meaning of the word, not the liberal "swear word" version) and who use Islam as nothing more than an ideological wrapping for their (nonreligious) political goals.

    There are nuts out there that pretend both things to be the same, but Pipes surely isn't among them.
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  11. The truth about prevention... by copponex · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...is that the TSA is 100% ineffective, because no government, regardless of how brutal they are to suspected terrorists, or how many secret police they employ, or how many phones they tap, can prevent one person from committing a terrorist act.

    The only thing the TSA does is reduce the likelihood such an attack will occur on a plane. It's a huge waste of money that's simply a security blanket for the uninformed.

    1. Re:The truth about prevention... by blueg3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Arguments about the efficacy of the TSA aside, you seem to be confusing the inability to be 100% effective with being 100% ineffective. Reducing the likelihood of X happening is a nonzero effectiveness.

      People in security know full well that no method will guarantee 100% attack prevention. Reducing the likelihood and frequency of attacks is the goal.

    2. Re:The truth about prevention... by kellyb9 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't really understand your logic. You freely admit that they can reduce the likelihood of a terrorist attack, yet you call them 100% ineffective and refer to their funding as a waste. Thats like saying, "Well, we can't stop people from murdering other people, so why not just do away with the police departments." I, for one, actually believe a government can significantly reduce the likelihood of terrorist attacks. Outside the usual suggestions of restricting our personal freedoms and liberities, there are ways of detecting strange behaviour, nevervousness, etc. That includes educating those who are responsible for monitoring.

    3. Re:The truth about prevention... by Znork · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You freely admit that they can reduce the likelihood of a terrorist attack

      The likelyhood of an attack on a plane. The TSA does, on the other hand, provide tempting targets in the form of people waiting in line for security checks.

      I, for one, actually believe a government can significantly reduce the likelihood of terrorist attacks.

      Yeah, well, the chance of getting killed in a terrorist attack in the US is actually lower than the chance of accidentally drowning in a bathtub, so one can question the merits of wasting any money on it at all.

      In fact, had islamic fundamentalists really wanted to efficiently kill or maim hundreds of thousands of Americans every year they'd be selling something that could power those mobile deathmachines called 'cars'. Oh, wait...

  12. It's a poor 'guide' by MrMacman2u · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Attempting to judge someone by physical appearance or a quick observation of behavior is completely ineffective.

    This book is the biggest load of cruft I've had the displeasure of pursuing in a long, long time.

    Nearly a complete, waste of time and money and is more than likely bound to spark more than a few more uber-paranoid people locking themselves up in their trailer with a shotgun pointing out the window.

    The only perks about this farce was the netural informational aspects such as how individual terrorists as well as terrorist groups and cells form, operate and work as well as the mind-set, cultural and historical information presented.

    As a "guide" it's practically useless, as a source of information about the how and why terrorists operate and think, it IS fairly interesting.

    Too bad that information is often available (in bits and pieces) via other sources on the net.

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  13. State Terrorism is a far greater threat by MrSteveSD · · Score: 4, Informative

    Although 911 had a high death toll, groups like Al Qaeda couldn't possibly hope to match states when it comes to killing civilians. The Indonesian government used widespread terrorism against it's own people and those of East Timor with a death toll of several hundred thousand. Of course, today we are interested in not only the perpetrators of the terror, but those that support them. In the case of Indonesia under Suharto, the supporters were countries like the US and UK who supplied arms knowing full well what they were being used for.

    Then of course there is the famous case of US support for terrorism in Nicaragua, for which the country was condemned by the World Court. The death toll was around 50,000. One of the things the US was condemned for in that case was the mining of Nicaraguan harbours, putting civilian shipping in danger. If Al Qaeda did the same thing, it would be immediately recognised as a terrorist act.

  14. I question Daniel Pipes being credited as expert.. by RoTNCoRE · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is the same Pipes who advocated oversight of left leaning academics in case they poison their fragile students after 9/11? People to advocate such things are the truest enemies of the state. I saw him speak at my school, and he had to be hustled out of the room by his hosts after failing to respond to valid criticism of his borderline racist/fascist agenda.

  15. Re:Speaking of terrorists... by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I suspect the above poster, and the person he's quoting are not doctors.

    Um...I have never claimed to be...and to the best of my knowledge, neither has Cory Doctorow.

    Neither am I, for that matter...

    So...what was your point, then?

    but my wife went through several classes on statistics...

    You're kidding, right?

    their approach to statistics is not so simple as "accuracy" only. They have several different terms, all more or less seeming similar to the layman. I don't recall the words, but they more or less correlated to concepts such as:

    False positive rate.
    False negative rate.
    Overall rate of accurate test.


    Your objection does not invalidate the argument in my OP, it only strengthens it. The other concepts you listed do not mitigate the problem of false positives - on the contrary, they only exacerbate it.

    The argument in the OP assumed (for argument's sake) that while the false positive rate was 1%, the false negative rate was 0%. If you want to make the false negative rate a non-zero number, go ahead, but you'll quickly find that it makes the overall results even worse, not better.

    Using the correct, field-specific term may eliminate some of your objection.

    Actually, the terms are quite correct, and your argument only succeeds in raising additional objections.

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  16. Re:Learn English!!! by Jansingal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I love gaffes! please point out all of them.

    in the spirit of the book review...

    4000+ dead
    over a trillion $ spent,
    all u got to say is about gaffes?

  17. Re:Daniel Pipes? An expert? Feh. by alexgieg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's been some time since I read Pipes and I didn't remember some details, so I must make some corrections to my above post.

    Actually, although Pipes recognizes pretty clearly the distinction between, on one side, the moderate religious Muslims, and on the other the radical authoritarian pseudo-religious political nuts we all despise, he doesn't like the term "Islamofascism", as what they pursue isn't a fascist regime proper.

    Basically, fascism was/is always nationalistic, and bound to the concept of a totalitarian central government ruling society. What these guys pursue, on the contrary, is a kind of stateless internationalistic decentralized totalitarianism. Thus, not quite the same thing. Both authoritarian, both totalitarian, but in very different ways.

    He has some suggestions for naming this thing, basically variations around the word "Islamist", "Militant Islam", "Militant Islamism" etc., but I don't think any of those sound right. "Islamofascism" might not be accurate, but I guess we'll have to stick to it for se simple lack of a better alternative.

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  18. Re:Daniel Pipes? An expert? Feh. by Tr0tskysGh0st · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I saw Daniel Pipes speak once at my university and he spent a lot of his speech going on and on about how we need to reach out to moderate Muslims, yet when it was opened up for questions after his speech, he was incredibly verbally hostile to every Muslim who asked him a question. I know many of the Muslims who asked him questions and they were largely all very moderate, apolitical and with a very modern interpretation of Islam. At the end he was just downright hostile towards the entire audience, even turning off many of the conservatives in the room.

    What Daniel Pipes really is a hack writer and pundit for the establishment. His role is to lay an ideological foundation for US foreign policy that is already being carried out. His father was one of the main hawks against Stalinist Eastern Block style Communism during the 60's. He makes a living creating "boogeyman" stereotypes of the people who resist the imposition of neo-liberal economic policies and foreign meddling.

    The fact that he runs a group that systematically harasses left leaning university professors in the United States only adds to the fact that he is a rightwing political opportunist who profits off of demonizing cultures and creating racist stereotypes. His group Campus Watch specializes in taking anonymous unsubstantiated claims of conservative students who are upset over their grade. He's not a legitimate academic and has no place in the culture of discussion that academia should be. If all he did was just advance a position, no matter how much I disagreed with it, that would be fine; but intimidating and harassing one's political opponents is not free speech.

  19. Daniel Pipes? by tfoss · · Score: 5, Informative

    experts such as Daniel Pipes Just so we're clear, this is the daniel pipes who started the Middle East Forum ("one of a number of hardline neoconservative think tanks devoted to promoting a broad war on terror focused on the Middle East.") and its offspring, Campus Watch (a group intended to monitor middle east studies on college campuses, in a rather mccarthy-like manner). The one who has been a consistent warmonger (from vietnam onward). The one who wrote in The National Review:

    "Western European societies are unprepared for the massive immigration of brown-skinned peoples cooking strange foods and maintaining different standards of hygiene...All immigrants bring exotic customs and attitudes, but Muslim customs are more troublesome than most."
    Who the New York Times referred to as the leader of an "organized movement to stop Muslim citizens who are seeking an expanded role in American public life"

    Just so we know who we are labeling with the sterile description of "expert."

    -Ted
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  20. Re:just as bad or worse than the RIAA by sm62704 · · Score: 2, Funny

    If you want to spot a terrorist, Look for someone that has a hat like this or this. If he has a shirt like this he's not a terrorist, but if the shirt looks like this he is.

    If he's drinking this look out for car bombs!

    this guy would have ME calling the Department of Homeland Cowardice in a New York minute! And how about this guy?

    Look at da bomb in that terrorist's hand!

    this asshat is not a terrorist.

    SCARY TERRORIST! ANOTHER SCARY TERRORIST! EVEN SCARIER TERRORIST! And OMFG the scariest one of al!!!!

    RUN! RUN! RAISE THE THREAT LEVEL FROM YELLOW TO "SCARED SHITLESS!"

    The fact that 40,000 people that die on the American highways every year tells me some of that damned Homeland Security money should go to highway safety improvements. You want to spot a terrorist? Look in a tobacco company boardroom; half a million Americans die every year from cancer.

    Terrorism is a tool of the US government to take away Americans' liberties. You, sir, are part of the problem.

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  21. Anti- vs Counter-terrorism by spook+brat · · Score: 2, Informative

    Counter-terrorism == work to stop terrorist operations

    Anti-terrorism == work to kill the terrorists themselves

    Perhaps the usage has changed since I went to my CT training courses in the U.S. Army, but I really, REALLY hope that the TSA isn't conducting anti-terrorism operations! "Sorry, you're on the no-fly list, please step into the euthanasia chamber to your right..."

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  22. Re:Daniel Pipes? An expert? Feh. by grimJester · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I would agree with parent. I read his blog now and then a few years back. Overwhelmingly negative stories on muslims mixed with the occasional writing on what he means by "moderate islam". He's also the founder of an organization called Campus Watch that seems more than a little sinister.

  23. Re:Daniel Pipes? An expert? Feh. by DrZogg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He absolutely is a hack, and his primary agenda is disenfranchisement and marginalization of American Muslims. He thinks every mosque in the US is infiltrated with radicals and "Islamists" who want to overthrow our government. Doubtful Pipes has ever set foot in a mosque, though he's been invited.

    His idea of a moderate Muslim is someone who calls himself Muslim but doesn't practice Islam, e.g., people like Irshad Manji -- the heroine of the anti-Muslim bigots in our country. (sorry if you like her -- she has nothing to do with mainstream Islam in the US or anywhere else).

    Pipes is fine as long as the conversation is one-way with him spewing propaganda and fear-mongering -- challenge anything he says and he resorts to hostility (see other posts in this thread).

  24. So... test them again! by Slur · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The author seems to be implying that you just ought to give up on developing standard testing procedures altogether. That seems like it would be a useful meme for the people who brought you Guantanamo Bay, Inc.

    The glaring problem with his logic is that if you repeat the test your accuracy will tend to go up, and if you apply complimentary tests, you get even better accuracy. The original writer assumes that you test, then you execute, then you forget... Well that happens, to be sure, but it's a problem of rigor.

    I mentioned Guantanamo Bay because it's a fine example of a willful failure to be rigorous. Shrub, Inc.'s only concern was to generate perceived results and delay further testing as long as possible. To fill up space and create the appearance that (a) there are lots of terrorists and (b) we caught lots of them. And they got a bunch of useful political prisoners - not really imprisoned for their beliefs or affiliations - but as pure fodder for use by the political class.

    Had we applied more rigorous testing there never would have been a Guantanamo Bay prison. And if we ever begin to do so, the place will evaporate in a black cloud of oil smoke.

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    -- thinkyhead software and media
    1. Re:So... test them again! by Lurker2288 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Of course, the difference between a 'terrorist test' (presumably some sort of deep data mining across a variety of databases) and the kind of disease test Doctorow uses for an example is that repeating the terrorist test is unlikely to produce greater accuracy. Let's say you have some combination of factors that, according to the algorithm, makes you a suspect. Running the same search again will uncover the same factors and produce no improvement in your estimation, hence the need for the complementary inspection you mention. But what would that mean for the terrorist test? Probably more invasive investigation, which, apart from the obvious civil liberties issue, means more time, money, and manpower that has to be spent. So when your first screen does a poor job of identifying suspects, you have to spend a fortune disqualifying the false positives in order to root out the true positives. So it isn't really a logic problem when considered in the applicable context.

  25. Ah, but even more useful... by Slur · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...would be to know how not to be seen!

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  26. Re:Daniel Pipes? An expert? Feh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    You don't know Daniel Pipes.

    http://www.mpac.org/article.php?id=72

  27. Terrorists stand in line? by copponex · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The TSA stands around, making sure the people in line aren't terrorists. Now, I'm no criminal mastermind, but given the security around most US airports, all it does it make the regular citizens feel warm and fuzzy about all the gadgets they have to walk through to get on their plane. A terrorist would make a few friends at the airport, lift a few IDs, and before you know it, he can walk around the tarmac for weeks on end without being bothered, and walk right past a security line with the flash of his counterfeit badge and a smile.

    Really effective security would be to bring every last troop home, and place them in every port and border crossing into the US. Even more effective than their inspections would be the fact that they aren't in foreign countries blowing stuff up. It's very difficult to recruit people to kill the infidel when he's across the ocean behind hundreds of thousands of highly trained Marines, minding his own business.

    Unfortunately this would require leaders in government (Republicans and Democrats) to do an about-face on how they deal with terrorism, and as anyone knows, getting a politician to admit a mistake is harder than getting one to tell the truth in the first place. But we're the ones to blame - when the greatest threat to our way of life, according to Sean Hannity, is that "we may be driving around in Yugos," you wonder if the society is worth saving in the first place.

    1. Re:Terrorists stand in line? by gobbo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Really effective security would be to bring every last troop home, and place them in every port and border crossing into the US. You do realize that the American taxpayer funds over 700 (seven-frakking-hundred, yes) military bases on foreign soil? And that Al Qaeda was initially pissed about the bases in Saudi territory, so it could be said that the global occupation under way is the catalyst for said terrorism? You want the USA to shut all those down?

      Call me when this revolution of yours starts, I want to post it on youtube.

      But seriously, I wonder at the loud scoffing denials heard from most people at the mention of an "american empire"--and then I remember that very few know that the USA occupies portions (large and small) of over 100 different nations. By invitation, of course!
    2. Re:Terrorists stand in line? by d3ac0n · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But seriously, I wonder at the loud scoffing denials heard from most people at the mention of an "american empire"--and then I remember that very few know that the USA occupies portions (large and small) of over 100 different nations. By invitation, of course!


      Umm.. Yes. By invitation. With the possible exception of the two bases in Okinawa, Japan and Ramstein, Germany. These two bases were granted to us as part of the surrender treaties from both countries at the end of WW2. However, I can assure you that if either Germany or Japan were to ask us to leave, we would. Leaving behind the multi-million dollar military bases that we set up there, taking only the movable equipment.

      How do I know this would happen? Because it's happened MULTIPLE TIMES in the past. Indeed, just in the past year in Iraq alone the US military has turned over no less than 13 military bases to the fledgling Iraqi army. Here is an incomplete list of JUST Air Force bases closed worldwide. Discounting the ones in the United States (Which, admittedly, make up the majority of the list), there are at least 25 bases that have been closed worldwide, with most of them turned over in whole to the host country.

      Of course, Those that say we are "Imperialists" also discount the BILLIONS annually that the United States government pumps into the economies of foreign countries through aid, grants, and (of course) RENT AND TAXES for the land the military bases are on. Yep, that's right. We PAY RENT AND TAXES to the host countries for that land. Not exactly the behavior of an Imperialist country, wouldn't you say? Indeed , an "Empire" is defined as a nation state that has political control over other nation states, and uses that political control to extract the wealth and resources from the subjugated country . How the hell does paying THEM money and giving THEM resources make the U.S. an "Empire"?

      It doesn't. Indeed, the whole Imperialism argument is nothing more than intellectual dishonesty and mental masturbation by those that have their hate on for America. Get the facts straight bub. No Imperialism here.
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    3. Re:Terrorists stand in line? by g8oz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wrong. The U.S extracts wealth from its victims through forcing regulatory regimes that favor American interests. They've done it for decades behind the facade of the international institutions like the IMF and the World Bank.

      More currently, the proposed "Iraqi" oil law is a 100% American creation that tilts the playing field in the favor of Exxon et al.

      Oh and the so called "aid" money is usually nothing more than subsidies for well-connected American businesses. They'll announce a few billion in aid to country X. That money goes straight to favored American compainies for over inflated goods and services that country X often doesn't even need.

      American imperialism is a fact. Paying rent for bases doesn't change anything. Its a token gesture that you've seized on. Its sad though that nothing makes Americans more rabid than being reminded of their sins.

    4. Re:Terrorists stand in line? by sabt-pestnu · · Score: 2

      Really effective security would be to bring every last troop home, and place them in every port and border crossing into the US. Even more effective than their inspections would be the fact that they aren't in foreign countries blowing stuff up. It's very difficult to recruit people to kill the infidel when he's across the ocean behind hundreds of thousands of highly trained Marines, minding his own business. Given that folks promoted you 'insightful', I have to point out the flaws in your argument:

      - The borders of the US are wide enough that stationing guards to even keep the borders under observation, let alone shifts enough to make that possible, is impractical. Likely, greater than the size of the US army currently. And that's just watching, without having forces sufficient to DO anything. Assuming you do find the manpower to do it, you also have to find the money to pay those people.

      - Your 'guard the borders' defense fails once there is ANY recruiting within the borders. And recruiters do NOT have to cross the borders, the internet does just fine. So does the phone. And the post, newspapers, radio...

      You've fallen for the fallacy that the 'war against terrorism' is a war against people. It is not. It's a war against a meme, and the rules are entirely different. You have to make people not want to do it.

      'Guarding the borders' is as effective a defense against terrorism, as CSS is against DVD copyright infringement. It'll stop the little stuff, for a little while, but is otherwise entirely ineffective at its stated purpose.
  28. Re:Huh? by Gordonjcp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, they usually have Armalites and big fistfulls of US dollars. Thank you, the US Republicans, for continuing to support terrorist attacks on your allies.

  29. Anyone who thinks that Daniel Pipes is by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Anyone who thinks that Daniel Pipes is an "expert" on "terrorism" - or anything else, has had a neocon blowjob affect their brain function.

    He invented and promulgates the cognitive dissonance that is summarised by the phrase: "Islamofascism."

    He's a real Israeli, dual-loyalist and "newspeak" maker of the first (lowest) rank. Pipes was teh founder of The Middle East Forum - purportedly a 'think-tank', really a propaganda and media policing agent for radical Israeli military/political objectives.

    Among MEF's programs is Campus Watch, which tracks university professors who are perceived to be anti-Israel, anti-Semitic, pro-Palestinian, or pro-Islamist. Seen by many as an affront to academic freedom and an attempt to silence criticism of U.S. policies toward Israel and the Arab world, the program encourages students at colleges and universities to report any teachers who exhibit such behaviors in the classroom. One critic of Campus Watch, Joel Benin, a former professor of Middle East studies at Stanford University, said of the program: "Campus Watch ... compiles dossiers on professors and universities that do not meet its standard of uncritical support for the policies of George Bush and Ariel Sharon. ... The efforts to stifle public debate about U.S. Middle East policy and criticism of Israel are being promoted by a network of neoconservative true believers with strong links to the Israeli far right. They are enthusiastic supporters of the Bush administration's hands off approach to Ariel Sharon's suppression of the Palestinian uprising. And they are aggressive proponents of a preemptive U.S. strike against Iraq."
    --Joel Benin, "The Israelization of American Middle East Policy Discourse," Department of History, Stanford University


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  30. Re:Daniel Pipes? An expert? Feh. by DesScorp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "His father was one of the main hawks against Stalinist Eastern Block style Communism during the 60's."

    And this was a bad thing because... ?

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    Life is hard, and the world is cruel
  31. Re:Daniel Pipes? An expert? Feh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    He came to my university too. The situation there is so opposite of what you describe that I think you're full of crap.

    Here's a video clip of the full lecture so you can judge for yourself:
    http://www.rit.edu/academicaffairs/etc/gannett/videos/2005-04-14.ram

    Are you actually willing to substantiate your claims?

  32. Re:zeitgeist? by mr_mischief · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That the treatment at Abu Graib was newsworthy shows that you're babbling nonsense. If the US military was at all like al Qaeda or like Saddam Hussein, then it would have been expected.

    All of you other countries lost the right to have the US stay out of world affairs. The US tried to avoid both world wars, and was brought in by plots of other nations. Now, the US is going to have its hands in whatever it can reach. We get attacked when we leave the rest of you alone, and we get attacked when we don't. We might as well sway some things in our favor, then.

    Before you start mouthing off about human rights abuses and "terrorist acts" by the US, you should look up some other countries. I suggest you start with China, Myanmar, Iraq, Somalia, Serbia, Mexico , Brazil, Colombia, and Peru.

  33. Re:Review nitpick by Duradin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wasn't the point of calling french fries "freedom fries" to keep Joe Sixpack from empathizing and humanizing the French when they decided to not back the invasion?

    Suicide describes what type of bomber. Bomber means someone who kills with explosives. I don't really see how changing suicide to homicide makes it any "worse".

    Anyways, any media that would call them "homicide bombers" aren't the ones that will be followed by the group that produces the suicide bombers.

    It's just emotional gut-thinking that just makes you feel better.

    What term do you use to describe the kamikaze of WW2? Divine Wind is a pretty romantic term, especially when you consider the first Kamikaze and what it meant for Japan. Are they homikaze? Last-ditch-act-of-desperation-due-to-lack-of-resources-including-veteran-pilots-kaze?

    I can look at the term "suicide bomber" and not think: oh, the poor lad went so emo, the only way for him to describe his anguish to another was with the destructive blast and shrapnel of an explosives vest, I really should feel sorry for him and subscribe to his newsletter. All this bellyfeel claptrap will be the end of western civilization, not some schmuck wearing a few pounds of C-4.

  34. Re:There are no terrorists by mr_mischief · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Fighting against uniformed forces using asymmetrical tactics because you're a smaller force facing a larger force is one thing. Attacking civilians with no warning to get on CNN and have your demands heard is another. There is a proper use for the term "terrorist", but it's being used more broadly than it should be.

  35. Daniel Pipe is an expert on propaganda by sien · · Score: 3, Informative

    Daniel Pipes founded Campus Watch an organisation dedicated to making sure that Americans only get a rabidly pro-Israel view in a McCarthyesque way, i.e. lists of those who disagree with his own fascist views.

    He favours profiling and internment of Muslims in the United States.

    The Daniel Pipes entry at sourcewatch is quite a read.

  36. moderator abuse by gobbo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The parent post is not flamebait. While it's debatable that Pipes actually has fascist views, there is enough evidence to have the debate. The rest of the post is simply based on well-documented behaviour and statements.

  37. Doesn't address the fundamental problem by jandersen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    By the look of it this book doesn't really address the fundamental issues underlying terrorism. I realise that this is outside the scope of the book and that it would be controversial, to put it mildly, in the US; but sooner or later we are going to have to tackle the issue of 'why'. We have at least since 9/11 had our heads stuck firmly in the sand, with fantasies about how terrorists are completely different from us, how they are 'evil', 'envious of our freedom' or at least 'insane' - this book goes some way to puncture that myth, at least.

    The truth is, we are not going to win any war against terrorism - it's like the 'Gumby Brain Surgery'(ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gumbys). We have to understand why something so utterly irrational as terrorism can not only exist, but spread rapidly; really, I would have thought that much was obvious. The good news is that it isn't impossible; as the book suggests, these people are rational, often intelligent, and if they can arrive at the conclusion that they have to go and blow themselves and other people up, then we can follow their logic. I should think that there is a good chance that we will discover one or two points that we can address intelligently, thus breaking the rationale of their reasoning. This is all about popular support - the terrorists have popular support because they can argue strongly for their goals; we can make their arguments weak if we know what we are doing, and once they lose popular support, they will soon cease to be a threat.

  38. Is it historically rigorous? by dreamsinter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And by that I mean, these times are not the only ones to have faced the "threat" of "terrorism".

    Can we classify the various Haiti independence movements during the 1700s as terrorists? Do we?

    Would similar procedures apply to Tsarist Russia? When Tsar Alexander II had been killed in a bomb blast in Nevsky Prospekt on March the third, 1881?

    In post-Krakatau-eruption Dutch East Indies? When there where a significant number of disaffected Javanese?

    What about the Moro resistance to the US annexation of Mindanao? The Cebuan resistance to the US annexation of Cebu?

    In the south of China around the time of the Long March?

    During the Mau-Mau in Kenya?

    You see, as they say, "One man's terrorist is another man's guerilla/Freedom Fighter/useful idiot/Republican senator/US President" etc, ad nauseam ... and I doubt seriously that that book pays any attention to such obviously unimportant matters.

    At various times, apparently terrorists were obviously Jews and homosexuals and Catholics and Protestants and Poles and Marxists and voodun priests and ... and ... and ... and now they're Muslims and copyright infringers and Free-and-Open-Source-Software distributors and peer-to-peer networks users and ....

    We have some downright brilliant people in power, and they won't stop until everybody's been fucked up the arse with curare-tipped depleted uranium-covered thermonuclear fenceposts - themselves excluded, naturally.

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  39. Re:Terrorism must first be defined by gurps_npc · · Score: 2, Informative
    There IS a clear, simple definition of terrorism. I paraphrase, from the CIA:

    A terroist action is an action in which combatants actively TARGET non-combatants with physical harm (i.e. civilians, not other soldiers), for political purposes.

    Please note that this definition of terrorism:

    1. Does NOT include the majority of rebels, freedom fighters, or other revolitionaries thar are respected.

    2. Does not include wars.

    3. DOES include the CIA itself, as they have admitted to targetting noncombatants in the past.

    4. Does include most famous terrorist actions, including the crashing into the World Trade Center.

    5. Does not include certain famous actions called terroism by the media, such as dingy attack on the USS Cole. (Cripes man, trying to seek a warship should not be called terrorism. It should be called STUPID.)

    6. Does leave certain things to argue about, such as the craahing of the plane into the Pentagon. The pentagon is a military target and the civilians on the plane could be called 'ancillary casulaties', as opposed to being the target of the attack.

    This definition does not in any way that I can tell have a geopolitical agenda. As it specifically describes certain actions done by the agency that created it as terrorist actions.

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  40. No clothes. by gobbo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Indeed, the whole Imperialism argument is nothing more than intellectual dishonesty and mental masturbation by those that have their hate on for America. Get the facts straight bub. No Imperialism here. I was about to respond to this with point by point citations and examples, not for your benefit (because I suspect your viewpoint is fixed) but for general edification. e.g. investing a few billions to extract trillions is a stunning profit in both wealth and power; see: economic-hit-man whistleblowers, IMF whistleblowers, brazen admissions by Brzezinski and neo-cons, the history of Latin America, the Fellowship Foundation, the CFR, Chalmers Johnson, etc. Closing a few bases out of a thousand (if you include the estimates of covert ones) is merely a tiny percentage, offset by other "repositioning of the footprint."

    But I think that you've just proven my essential point: the american 'hegemony' is founded on some astoundingly well-crafted pervasive propaganda at home, with the theme of being a global benefactor.

    Ask around: "why do we perpetually have half a million troops overseas in over 100 countries?" The reasoning of the american public in justifying such a massive permanent deployment in so many bases is very thin, if not jingoistic and naive, or outright frightening to citizens of other countries. Americans just don't believe in the scale of clandestine maneuvering through their history, and they have an essential sense of manifest destiny.

    21C hegemony (shorthand for empire) does not resemble victorian Brittania, in the way that late post-industrial capitalism doesn't resemble feudalism.