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A Copyright Cop In Every Zune

Mike writes "As if the Zune wasn't already crippled and unpopular enough, now comes a story indicating that Microsoft may build a 'Copyright Cop' into every Zune. A future update of the software for Microsoft's portable media player will likely include a 'feature' that will block unauthorized copies of copyrighted videos from being played on it. The president of digital distribution for NBC, J. B. Perrette, said the plan is to create 'filtering technology that allows for playback of legitimately purchased content versus non-legitimately purchased content.' Of course there's no way to tell legitimate content that you create from 'non-legitimate' content, so this looks like just another nail in the coffin of the Zune." Update: 05/08 20:50 GMT by T : From Microsoft employee Cesar Menendez comes this categorical denial of any such filtering mechanism.

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  1. Nothing new there by nurb432 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Its just 'trusted computing' rearing its ugly head.

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    1. Re:Nothing new there by lgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For the most part, people just don't care about DRM or trusted computing because it doesn't affect them. However, this "copyright cop" sort of thing is sure to be noticed by the average user. Microsoft seems to be betting heavily on selling DRMed platforms, and I wonder whether they've lost their way, and are listening to partners instead of customers. The Zune has not been an astounding success, and going out of their way to antagonize their customers in a market where they don't have any sort of market dominance seems like hubris on Mocrosoft's part.

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    2. Re:Nothing new there by dangitman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You do make a point, though. This is because the majority of people who buy iPods are more interested in it as a fashion item than as an mp3 player.

      Got any evidence of that? most people I encounter with iPods are listening to them on the bus or train - and have them buried away in their pockets. They are also usually trying to avoid contact with other people. If it were about a fashion statement, then wouldn't they be:

      1. Not listening to them
      2. Showing them off
      3. Only using Apple-branded headphones, rather than swapping for better-sounding ones that aren't white

      No, they actually seem to be using them to listen to music. I'm not sure how an iPod can even be a "fashion statement" these days, as so many people own them.

      Flash-based mp3 players are "sexier," and the people who buy them don't need a lot of storage, as their collections generally consist of a few CD's worth of singles. Hard drive based mp3 players are more for enthusiasts who have been collecting albums their entire life.

      Again, complete nonsense. How do you know what music is on people's flash-based players? I'm a big music enthusiast, and have been collecting all my life. My player holds only 4GB, despite the collection on my computer being around 100GB. There's no reason to carry all my music around with me everywhere I go. Every time I sync my player, a fresh selection of music is updated - and new episodes of podcasts are uploaded, and old podcast episodes deleted. Seriously, why do I have to carry my entire music collection around just for a couple of hours of commuting?

      It's quite funny the ego and delusions that some people (typically self-described geeks) have over this simple issue of portable music. Yeah, anybody who has a smaller player than you must have terrible taste in music, oh elite collector.

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    3. Re:Nothing new there by Xtifr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, I suspect that more people are buying iPods simply because that's the only name they know. My brother, who sort-of knows better came to me asking if I could recommend a good brand of iPod, since he knew I'd been comparison shopping recently. Of course, he meant "portable mp3 player", but to most people that is spelled "iPod". So I recommended the Samsung...iPod. :)

    4. Re:Nothing new there by vought · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The iPod is nice, but feature-wise there are better players. To most consumers, the iPod does have features other players don't have. Because those features are not listed on the box doesn't mean the features aren't included.

      Most people see styling and design as very important features.

      No one wants to carry an ugly music player, even if that ugly music player has more technical features, costs a little less, or has a different name.

      That more or less leaves "fashion statement" as the reason for iPod popularity over other players. And what's wrong with that? It's a better widget. People vote with their dollars overwhelmingly. There are other music players for people who don't value styling as a primary feature - just like there are stores like J.C. Penney for people who don't want to shop at Nordstrom.
  2. thankfully, it's BS by Yurka · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "...will work with [NBC] to try to develop..." is classic software marketing BS - three weasel verbs in succession, a minor masterpiece. Translation: "This feature? Oh, sure, we have it. I mean, we'll have it in the next release. I mean, the crack team of our coding monkeys is going to make it their priority. Now just sign here, initial here and here."

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  3. They clearly just don't get it - by Gat0r30y · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "In the short term, this will not win us a lot of friends,â he said. âoeIn the long term, the consumer wants there to be quality premium-produced content, and in order for that to continue to be a viable business, there needs to be significant protection around it." Yes, the consumer wants quality premium-produced content, and they want to be able to play it on what they want when they want. And unless that is what they are offering, pirates are going to take the time to remove any protection around it no matter how significant, and give it away for free. As long as this their view, they aren't going to have a viable business, but when it dawns on them that the consumer is ultimately in charge of the situation now, and network stooges aren't, they will release content in an intelligent manner - so the consumer can access it when they want, and on what they want.
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  4. Non-Legitimately Purchased Content? by Migraineman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "... non-legitimately purchased content"? At first I thought this was editorializing by the submitter, but no, TFA contains that exact quote. I garner two ugly conclusions from this statement from Mr. Perrette:
    - 1) Your device will soon only play "purchased" content. No home movies for you.
    - 2) Your device will soon only play content purchased from us.

    I think Microsoft has figured out what Step 2 is:
    1. Create media player with subscription services.
    2. Shoot self in foot by crippling said player to the point no one wants it.
    3. Profit!?

  5. Microsoft seems to be unable to deliver. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 4, Insightful

    MOD PARENT UP.

    "A clunky form factor that's trying hard to match competition from three years ago."

    Is the Zune the Vista of music players, or is Vista the Zune of operating systems?

    Microsoft seems unable to do business sensibly. Maybe Gates and Ballmer are getting tired of working every day. What motivates a billionaire to keep producing mediocre results?

  6. Battery Killer by dloyer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not to mention that the extra processing needed for the wiz bang water marking technology will reduce battery life.

    How much? Who knows, but extra design constraints always create compromises and battery life is one place it is likely to show up.

  7. Re:Watermarks by dmeranda · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Except that watermarks still don't work.

    • * They don't expire when the work goes in the public domain after its copyright also expires.
    • * They do not take into account Fair Use exemptions.
    • * They do not equally protect all content producers; only those who can pay the cartel licensing fees.
  8. The 'Uncool' of Microsoft by Count+Sessine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    OK Microsoft-faithful and Apple-haters - listen up. This is why everyone says that Microsoft is 'uncool'.

    In spite of a few missteps as of late, Microsoft is still the biggest, richest, most powerful company in tech today. And yet, they have their tongues so far up the record and movie industry's *ss that it isn't even funny anymore. No one respects an obsequious brown-noser. If they had any spine at all, they would tell the record and movie execs the Truth (that they're living on borrowed time) and that the only way to continue to make any money at all is to trust their customers.

    Apple was upbraiding the record industry execs for a good three years during and through the Napster debacle. Apple was telling them that customer-hostile DRM that took away obvious and visible consumer rights wouldn't work, they were telling them that the bottom would fall out of the CD business, and they were offering Apple's services as a customer-friendly alternative to some of the loser businesses the record industry was trying at the time (like PressPlay). It's not like the folks at Apple were geniuses for recognizing all of these things - it's just that they have their own protected platform and they're in the software business so they know full-well how futile copy-protection really is.

    When the record execs finally realized that everything Apple had been saying was right, they had lost a good fraction of their business and they were desperate to try something new.

    The guys who run Microsoft will never have the balls to tell a potential business partner that. They have enough money in the bank to BUY any one of the record companies that they're sucking up to, and yet they behave like the record companies' servile bitch. And that's why they'll never be considered 'cool'.

  9. Apple DRM is irrrelevent by thermian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm sick of hearing about this. Lets dispel some myths.

    1: You can copy music on and off an iPod with great ease. There is no magic DRM preventing this *at all*.

    2: Apple are quite happy to let you rip their music to cd, and then to mp3. It's no different, and sounds no different from ripping a bought music cd.

    3: The iPod only has DRM on it because Apple new they would get sued to fuck if they didn't, or if they went around allowing direct circumvention. By allowing copying to audio cd they avoid this via the fair use claim.

    4: A *lot* of available iPod content is not DRM'd anyway.

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    1. Re:Apple DRM is irrrelevent by blhack · · Score: 5, Insightful

      1: You can copy music on and off an iPod with great ease. There is no magic DRM preventing this *at all*. YOu're right, they would never Intentionally take measures to prevent third parties from writing software that allows for transfer to and from the ipod.

      2: Apple are quite happy to let you rip their music to cd, and then to mp3. It's no different, and sounds no different from ripping a bought music cd. You're right! How gracious of apple to ALLOW you to transfer a piece of your property to another piece of your property! Its almost like we're PAYING thing for this or something.

      3: The iPod only has DRM on it because Apple new they would get sued to fuck if they didn't, or if they went around allowing direct circumvention. By allowing copying to audio cd they avoid this via the fair use claim. Please cite at least 1 example of a company being sued for creating a device that allows people to play MP3s. You might want to let Justin Frankel know that he should have been "sued to fuck" (whatever that meansd) for creating winamp instead of chilling in his multi-million dollar home studio.

      4: A *lot* of available iPod content is not DRM'd anyway. Right AGAIN! How GRACIOUS of apple to allow you to play the music that you purchased on anything other than their blessed device!
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  10. Re:So no more ripping FLV vids from YouTube? by Technician · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've been doing that for years on my SanDisk MP3 player

    Consumers are good at finding what they want and the features they want. Some folks will be fine with the player and it's subscription service. The rest of us will find players that will play our content ripped from DVD's, shared, and downloaded from YouTube.

    I often get asked "What computer should I buy?" I always tell them "Find the software you want to run and then buy the haredware that will run it.". With portable media players, this is still very true. If you want to play MP3's and .flv files, only buy a player that will play it.

    If you want a player that plays music purchased from the Zune site, you may wish to consider one, but remember, it won't play songs from iTunes. It looks like it also won't play YouTube rips.

    You can vote for DRM with your wallet, or you can vote against it. Vote wisely.

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  11. Re:Watermarks by John+Hasler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To the publishers these are features, not bugs.

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  12. Learn from Vista by gilesjuk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Vista is DRM and restriction overload and doesn't sell. Zune barely sells now, it's not even available in the UK.

    Good luck Microsoft. Customers buy features not ball and chains.

  13. The New York Times says not to buy a Zune. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe you shouldn't be annoyed with Twitter, in this case. His extremely negative evaluation was only as negative as that of the New York Times. Quote:

    "If you like to download the latest episodes of "Heroes" or other NBC shows from BitTorrent, maybe you shouldn't buy a Microsoft Zune to watch them on. [my emphasis]

    "A future update of the software for Microsoft's portable media player may well include a feature that will block unauthorized copies of copyrighted videos from being played on it."

    Consider this: Someone bought a Zune, believing that he understood the features of the product. But later, Microsoft, in an "update", changes the way it works. That's nasty. It teaches customers that they can't trust Microsoft or a Microsoft product.

  14. MS do listen to their customers... by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not sure M$ ever did really listen to their customers
    Sorry but MS are very good at listening to customers. Its just that they only listen to their business customers and nobody else. This worked extremely well for them with Windows and Office and in theory should have worked with the Zune too. Unfortunately they do not seem to have realized that in this case their business customers, the RIAA, are employing kamikazee tactics. They are more interested in ensuring that nobody can ever listen to content in a manner they have not personally approved than they are about making a successful, profitable product.