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A Copyright Cop In Every Zune

Mike writes "As if the Zune wasn't already crippled and unpopular enough, now comes a story indicating that Microsoft may build a 'Copyright Cop' into every Zune. A future update of the software for Microsoft's portable media player will likely include a 'feature' that will block unauthorized copies of copyrighted videos from being played on it. The president of digital distribution for NBC, J. B. Perrette, said the plan is to create 'filtering technology that allows for playback of legitimately purchased content versus non-legitimately purchased content.' Of course there's no way to tell legitimate content that you create from 'non-legitimate' content, so this looks like just another nail in the coffin of the Zune." Update: 05/08 20:50 GMT by T : From Microsoft employee Cesar Menendez comes this categorical denial of any such filtering mechanism.

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  1. PlaysForSure by Carnildo · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is a demonstration of Microsoft's new media-compatibility standard. They're calling it "Plays? Yeah sure!"

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  2. Re:Huh? Zune? by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 5, Funny
    I was kind of wondering how many nails you need in the coffin of a dead product?

    Its not so much the nails in the coffin you need as stakes in the heart. Unfortunately Zune's can only be killed by legitimately purchased stakes.

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  3. Re:Huh? Zune? by Hatta · · Score: 5, Funny

    There are people who enjoy getting their nuts stepped on too. To each his own I guess.

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  4. Battery Killer by dloyer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not to mention that the extra processing needed for the wiz bang water marking technology will reduce battery life.

    How much? Who knows, but extra design constraints always create compromises and battery life is one place it is likely to show up.

  5. The 'Uncool' of Microsoft by Count+Sessine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    OK Microsoft-faithful and Apple-haters - listen up. This is why everyone says that Microsoft is 'uncool'.

    In spite of a few missteps as of late, Microsoft is still the biggest, richest, most powerful company in tech today. And yet, they have their tongues so far up the record and movie industry's *ss that it isn't even funny anymore. No one respects an obsequious brown-noser. If they had any spine at all, they would tell the record and movie execs the Truth (that they're living on borrowed time) and that the only way to continue to make any money at all is to trust their customers.

    Apple was upbraiding the record industry execs for a good three years during and through the Napster debacle. Apple was telling them that customer-hostile DRM that took away obvious and visible consumer rights wouldn't work, they were telling them that the bottom would fall out of the CD business, and they were offering Apple's services as a customer-friendly alternative to some of the loser businesses the record industry was trying at the time (like PressPlay). It's not like the folks at Apple were geniuses for recognizing all of these things - it's just that they have their own protected platform and they're in the software business so they know full-well how futile copy-protection really is.

    When the record execs finally realized that everything Apple had been saying was right, they had lost a good fraction of their business and they were desperate to try something new.

    The guys who run Microsoft will never have the balls to tell a potential business partner that. They have enough money in the bank to BUY any one of the record companies that they're sucking up to, and yet they behave like the record companies' servile bitch. And that's why they'll never be considered 'cool'.

  6. Apple DRM is irrrelevent by thermian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm sick of hearing about this. Lets dispel some myths.

    1: You can copy music on and off an iPod with great ease. There is no magic DRM preventing this *at all*.

    2: Apple are quite happy to let you rip their music to cd, and then to mp3. It's no different, and sounds no different from ripping a bought music cd.

    3: The iPod only has DRM on it because Apple new they would get sued to fuck if they didn't, or if they went around allowing direct circumvention. By allowing copying to audio cd they avoid this via the fair use claim.

    4: A *lot* of available iPod content is not DRM'd anyway.

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    1. Re:Apple DRM is irrrelevent by blhack · · Score: 5, Insightful

      1: You can copy music on and off an iPod with great ease. There is no magic DRM preventing this *at all*. YOu're right, they would never Intentionally take measures to prevent third parties from writing software that allows for transfer to and from the ipod.

      2: Apple are quite happy to let you rip their music to cd, and then to mp3. It's no different, and sounds no different from ripping a bought music cd. You're right! How gracious of apple to ALLOW you to transfer a piece of your property to another piece of your property! Its almost like we're PAYING thing for this or something.

      3: The iPod only has DRM on it because Apple new they would get sued to fuck if they didn't, or if they went around allowing direct circumvention. By allowing copying to audio cd they avoid this via the fair use claim. Please cite at least 1 example of a company being sued for creating a device that allows people to play MP3s. You might want to let Justin Frankel know that he should have been "sued to fuck" (whatever that meansd) for creating winamp instead of chilling in his multi-million dollar home studio.

      4: A *lot* of available iPod content is not DRM'd anyway. Right AGAIN! How GRACIOUS of apple to allow you to play the music that you purchased on anything other than their blessed device!
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  7. Re:They exist. by CRCulver · · Score: 5, Informative

    An iPod does not require using iTunes. You can put Rockbox on an iPod and simply drag the music files directly onto the iPod mounted as a drive. There's also plenty of other programs that can read and write to an iTunes database.

  8. Something we all needed by lewp · · Score: 5, Funny

    Finally, a reason not to buy a Zune.

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  9. Re:So no more ripping FLV vids from YouTube? by Technician · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've been doing that for years on my SanDisk MP3 player

    Consumers are good at finding what they want and the features they want. Some folks will be fine with the player and it's subscription service. The rest of us will find players that will play our content ripped from DVD's, shared, and downloaded from YouTube.

    I often get asked "What computer should I buy?" I always tell them "Find the software you want to run and then buy the haredware that will run it.". With portable media players, this is still very true. If you want to play MP3's and .flv files, only buy a player that will play it.

    If you want a player that plays music purchased from the Zune site, you may wish to consider one, but remember, it won't play songs from iTunes. It looks like it also won't play YouTube rips.

    You can vote for DRM with your wallet, or you can vote against it. Vote wisely.

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  10. Re:Watermarks by John+Hasler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To the publishers these are features, not bugs.

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  11. The New York Times says not to buy a Zune. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe you shouldn't be annoyed with Twitter, in this case. His extremely negative evaluation was only as negative as that of the New York Times. Quote:

    "If you like to download the latest episodes of "Heroes" or other NBC shows from BitTorrent, maybe you shouldn't buy a Microsoft Zune to watch them on. [my emphasis]

    "A future update of the software for Microsoft's portable media player may well include a feature that will block unauthorized copies of copyrighted videos from being played on it."

    Consider this: Someone bought a Zune, believing that he understood the features of the product. But later, Microsoft, in an "update", changes the way it works. That's nasty. It teaches customers that they can't trust Microsoft or a Microsoft product.

    1. Re:The New York Times says not to buy a Zune. by dedazo · · Score: 5, Informative
      You're missing the point. He's not annoyed at twitter because of "negative evaluation" or even the ever-hilarious "M$" thing that just never gets old. It's the fact that he's posted in this article with three different accounts already. Very soon now you're going to see three different people jump into the thread, agree with him and complain if there's any moderation he doesn't like.

      Seriously, is there some sort of reality distortion field problem here where someone with seven or eight accounts that humps all over Slashdot shilling his own posts can happily get away with it, no repercussions? Screw the controls that this website has in place to prevent things like these, along with crapflooders, GNAA trolls and erotic stories about CmdrTaco and CowboyNeal?

      There is a reason why his first two accounts are in negative karma hell, but he doesn't understand that people mod him down, not his opinions. As if criticizing Microsoft on Slashdot was reason to be modded down? People are tired of him, but he just blames everything on Microsoft, claims that anyone who disagrees with him "hates" him, and then proceeds to create seven or eight accounts, and reply to himself so that moderators think "wow, this gnutoo/inTheLoo/Erris/westbake/willeyhill/twitter/Mactrope fellow sure has a lot of friends who agree with him" and play the karma game to his full satisfaction.

      Aside from my personal dislike of his "evangelism" style that does more harm than good to free software, that should not be allowed. I don't reply to myself pretending I'm someone else to see if I get modded up, I say what I think and I'm responsible for it. Within the community that is Slashdot, that means you are moderated up or down and deal with the consequences of that. The next time you find yourself getting stacked upon on a discussion thread by three people who sound exactly the same you'll see what the problem is with sockpuppets.

      Anyway, it's just the internet, and some people take all this too seriously (probably including myself sometimes) but even here there are rules and an etiquette that people follow or things go the way of Kuro5hin and Digg.

      (And now I'm sure he'll use one of those sockpuppets to mod me down like he's been doing the past few weeks with his gnutoo and inTheLoo accounts, which are the only ones that are not posting at zero or less for obvious trolling.)

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  12. Microsoft's Zune blogger says no by Programmerman · · Score: 5, Interesting
  13. Re:Nothing new there by dabooda · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Your polarised view of people that use flash vs HDD players is a little narrow.

    I wouldn't take a HDD based player jogging and I sure wouldn't listen to 80 gb of music between dockings in day to day life. I would only consider a HDD player if I were to travel for 2 years without a PC.

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  14. Re:Nothing new there by fullgandoo · · Score: 5, Informative

    Microsoft has already denied this: http://www.news.com/8301-13860_3-9938650-56.html?tag=nefd.top But since this is slashdot, let's just ignore it while there is an opportunity for MS bashing.