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MPAA is Awarded $110 Million In TorrentSpy Case

An anonymous reader writes "The MPAA was awarded a staggering judgment in its case against the BitTorrent indexing site TorrentSpy. According to Slyck.com, a judge in California rendered a $110 million victory for the MPAA, and a permanent injunction against TorrentSpy."

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  1. Congrats MPAA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You won $110 million from a site that doesn't even exist anymore.

  2. LOL by afxgrin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What're they going to do? Confiscate their pencils and sell them on eBay for 5 cents?

    I'm sure the defendants have no where near $110 million, and if they have to keep paying it out of income they receive in the future, what's the point of even working?

    Might as well squat an abandoned building in New Orleans instead. Move to some remote wilderness area and live off the land. Sounds like much better options than paying that kind of debt down.

    1. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Id prolly just assassinate the judge and all of the MPAA people and their attorneys.

      What do you have to lose if you are already wrecked financially for life as you have that on your credit history preventing you from even renting a dump apartment?

      Its not just that you have to pay 2/3 your income the rest of your life to the bastards, you will never have one again.

      And all this for hosting torrent files? This is bloody insane.

    2. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And the $110,000,000 is just for infringements on movies belonging to 5 MPAA members.

      Wait until the lawsuits roll in from every other movie studio, tv producer, music studio and porn maker that they held torrents for. They're going to end up owing more than the GDP of the world as a whole.

    3. Re:LOL by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 5, Insightful
      And one might argue that the world would be a slightly better place to live in if it was not so... Imagine. A company actually taking responsibility for its actions.

      What would happen is that nobody would be willing to go into anything but the most mundane businesses. Who in the world would put their entire life's assets constantly at risk, especially in the Sue S.A., where misfortune is looked upon as a stroke of good luck.

      For example, I was witness to this conversation:

      Person #1: "...and they had to amputate his arm."
      Person #2: "Oh man he's going to get millions! I'd let them chop off my arm for a million."

      Also, the corporate shield is not magically impenetrable. If there's gross negligence, for instance, or fraud.

  3. Perspective by abscissa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To put this is some perspective, the US has offered Burma (Myanmar) $3m in aid.

    1. Re:Perspective by icedevil · · Score: 5, Insightful

      TFA mentions that the MPAA was awarded $30,000 per infringement. So following your lead the US thinks the people of Burma are worth $30 per person (assuming the 100,000 figure is somewhat accurate.)

    2. Re:Perspective by Original+Replica · · Score: 5, Insightful

      the US has offered Burma (Myanmar) $3m in aid.

      To put that into perspective, that is about 24 minutes worth of war in Iraq.

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    3. Re:Perspective by Anpheus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The era of perpetual copyright was brought on by a few individuals that refused to invent and create any longer, and instead sought to make money indefinitely off the nostalgic value of their works.

      I'm looking at you, Disney.

      And to you, c6gunner, I'm not saying that copyright shouldn't exist, but perhaps... the original 14 year timeframe was adequate. The film, Iron Man, made $100,000,000 in three days of sales, in 14, 50, or well over one hundred years can Hollywood justify why it needs to retain the sole distribution rights to something that was envisioned by someone who has already died? (Referring to the 100+ year copyright terms most countries have these days.)

    4. Re:Perspective by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      $3m to Burma will feed everyone and build them all new houses.

      $110m to the RIAA/MPAA is caviar lunch on thursday.

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    5. Re:Perspective by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And everything in my room was created by STEALING those intellectual property. How the hell do you think Compaq and Dell came to be? STEALING IBM's Intellectual property.

      All cars outside of FORD are also based on STOLEN intellectual Property.

      so we either play by your rules and roll back to the dark ages, or we play sane and copy the crap out of everyones idea and actually move foreward in technology.

      I'm for copying the every living hell out of everything.

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    6. Re:Perspective by Crayon+Kid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      First of all, there's no such thing as "intellectual property" no matter who insists upon it. You can't own information and to pretend anyone does is stupid. You can control where information gets, yes. You can award people certain rights for original creations, yes (that is what copyright is). But you can't treat pieces of information like potatoes, no matter how some people and corporations would like to.

      Second, I think you're confusing copyright and patents at least on some level. Most physical inventions are protected by patents, not copyright. As for the incentive argument, it's questionable. There's free software as well as all kinds of content out there available for free. People who create it don't have any incentive in the sense you imply, yet they keep doing it, and they can do so because of copyright.

      So I have to disagree to your attempt at putting copyright and patents together as if they were both nothing more than making money for the authors. It's a misrepresentation of both.

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    7. Re:Perspective by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The point is how ridiculously inflated the award is, not how meager aid to Myanmar is, you bilious twat.

    8. Re:Perspective by NewsWatcher · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your caricature of third world life is laughable.

      I have travelled extensively through poor African and Pacific nations. I have dressed in many different ways, although usually in clothing similar to what I wear down the street in the first world nation I live in.

      Not only have the people in the ghettos valued human life highly, they are not afraid to show it.

      I have epilepsy and after having a seizure at a slum in Nairobi I found that while unconscious I had been collected, taken to a taxi and the fare paid to take me to a hospital. My passport, wallet etc was safe and sound.

      If you are too scared to explore some of these countries yourself, I don't think you should paint their people as blood-thirsty tyrants.

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    9. Re:Perspective by Archonoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Copyright laws help bring about all the things in life which you take for granted. Take a look around your room - I guarantee that every item you see at least partly owes it's existence to intellectual property laws. Those laws helped encourage people to invent and create, which in turn enriched out culture and our society. Without them, chances are that you wouldn't give a damn about the "value" of human life. You'd be too worried about where your next meal would come from.

      Bullshit. The printing press wasn't created with intellectual property laws. The wheel wasn't created to be patented. Houses were not created with IP. The greatest poems, stories, and music in history were created by authors with no concept of copyright. Medical and scientific breakthroughs - penicillin, radiation, relativity, electromagnetism, chemistry, gravitation - were not made for IP, but for the use of all - the exact opposite of IP. Man's greatest achievement, his ascent to the moon - and the myriad technologies that quest created - was not fueled by a search for patents.

      What keeps me safe and secure is not copyright, it is the society I live in and the value placed on human life and liberty by those who surround me, along with the willingness of the government to protect me with police and military force. What allows me to make money and provide for myself and my family is my intelligence, education and ability to solve problems that people want solved, not laws about what I can or can't do with knowledge and information.

      Copyright has jack shit to do with how I am able to secure my lifestyle, except insofar as it prevents me from fully enjoying the cultural heritage that has been created over the last 70 years. The other major form of IP, patents, have encouraged some people to create some things - and at the same time have locked away the best technologies of the century behind proprietary bars, in many cases not even being used by the companies that "invented" them, and have wasted countless time and money from government, corporations and individuals that have to deal with the bureaucratic abomination of the patent system.

    10. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      the US thinks the people of Burma are worth $30 per person

      No, the US thinks the people of Burma will cost $30 each to save. Big difference. Since many of them could be saved just by properly burying the dead, there is some plausibility to this low figure.

    11. Re:Perspective by jd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I was unaware that ethics()-class functions were tail-recursive and could not be called from outside. How do you bootstrap them?

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    12. Re:Perspective by LonghornXtreme · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I have to disagree that there is no such thing as 'intellectual property.' There certainly is IP. However, you and I likely agree that the IP laws aren't satisfactory.

      IP protection to creators and inventors are important because of the need to balance creation with production. In an ideal world, IP laws would only allow the creators enough protection to produce enough (or sell enough software if you don't consider duplicating software as production) product to recoup the costs of creating the success, the costs of creating previous and future failures and make some damn profit.

      Without IP laws preventing a 3rd party from immediately taking a creators idea and producing it, you would have little incentive to create because you couldn't make any money off of it. Not only that, you'd find that the most powerful companies would merely be copy cat manufacturers without RnD budgets that would beat the little guy with their economies of scale.

      I think copyright should be until the creator's death, and maybe a +10 years from creator's death for creator's assigns. Not this in perpetuity crap.

      I think the patent durations might be a touch too long however, the real issue is the frivolity of many patents, not their durations.

    13. Re:Perspective by WeirdJohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In other words, Ford did for the car industry what Bit Torrent did for electronic Media...

    14. Re:Perspective by houghi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I like that: X minutes of war in Iraq. Fits nice into the libraries of congress measurement.

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  4. *shrug* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    they've spent a fortune on litigation, to obtain a judgement they can't collect on & a worthless injunction, against a site that was never any good in the first place and shut down a few month ago anyway.

    More fool them.

    1. Re:*shrug* by InlawBiker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It only shut down when the legal threats began. Meanwhile how many new torrent trackers have popped up? This is the definition of "hollow victory."

    2. Re:*shrug* by DesScorp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      they've spent a fortune on litigation, to obtain a judgement they can't collect on & a worthless injunction, against a site that was never any good in the first place and shut down a few month ago anyway.

      More fool them. They never expected to collect any money. This was all about sending a message to other Torrent sites and P2P networks. "We've got legal precedent and unlimited resources. We're coming after you."

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    3. Re:*shrug* by xenobyte · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Legal team over at google is looking at this and going 'oh fuck no'.

      Exactly, and yet no. Google is simply too big for MPAA/RIAA to go after. Googles lawyers can keep a case like this tied up in courts for decades and the MAFIAA knows this.

      But in reality it is exactly the same thing. The court actually said that despite efforts to remove copyrighted materials, despite inplementing a tool that made it easy for rights owners to remove their IP, TorrentSpy are still liable for the stuff they index. Google indexes millions of pages containing illegal stuff, from kiddie porn, over terrorist manuals to IP in all its forms, and they've made no effort to make it easy to remove these things from the index (which would be censorship, but still), so if TorrentSpy is liable, so is Google and to a much higher degreee.
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  5. Re:How is this even possible!!?!?!?!!! by SYSS+Mouse · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Exactly, Google index Pirate Bay results. Is the MAFIAA going to sue Google?

  6. Re:No crime, but still punished. by joocemann · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So if you ask me where to buy a gun, I say "go to walmart". You go to walmart buy it, then kill someone.... That means I coordinated the murder?

  7. And people wonder... by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Why the USA is looked at as total idiots. Betting the entire economy on imaginary property that can be easily copied for $0 while gutting our factories and even outsourcing our jobs at home through H1-B visas. Hmmm-I wonder where the flaw in THAT plan is? The simple fact is just as the automobile has forced those in the horse buggy business to adapt or die so will ever more powerful broadband and MP3 players force software and music companies to change or die. Instead of seeing that change is a part of progress and looking for ways to make capital on this new business model the *.AA along with their lackeys in congress will try to put the genie back in the bottle with ever more draconian laws.


    Meanwhile the rest of the world will adapt while we sink further and further into a third world fascist state. While I really hope that we'll see the writing on the wall and our leaders will realize granting themselves and their big business buddies ever more increasing powers over our lives is a dead end road, after watching this march as it continues its dance of failure for the past 20+ years I sincerely doubt we're in for anything other than more of the same: More of the same bad leadership, more of the same bad laws,and more of the same police state crap to protect us "from terrorists and those evil child predators" which is of course a smokescreen for more business and government control over our lives. But that is my 02c,YMMV

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    1. Re:And people wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I believe the same thing. Cisco is a prefect example. They hire cheap labor and manufacturer overseas. When the cheap labor makes some "counterfeit" overruns, the local police officers and the FBI, step in to lend Cisco a hand under the cover of national security issues [1]. That enforcement is our tax dollars. Companies like Cisco get it good from two angles. Cheap labor and tax payer dollars to fight the clone/overrun non official parts. Think about it, Cisco could manufacture the devices in an area that they have more control which would cost Cisco more, or choose China and let the taxpayers foot the bill for the control.

      [1] If the government was so concerned about the national security from using non licensed Cisco products, why are they not worried about using the "real" Cisco approved products made in the same plant by the same people?

  8. Re:How is this even possible!!?!?!?!!! by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Torrentspy contained ZERO copyright material Neither did Napster. Is there a difference?
  9. Re:What is the method of determining damages? by Gewalt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The only way to semi-accurately calculate their losses is to look at their declining profits year to year, which I would consider a real value partially accountable to piracy. But... Their profits have been rising... Year over year, their blockbusters are increasingly more profitable. And its the blockbusters that get pirated the most. So by your logic (and most sane peoples logic), piracy is actually helping their sales. What's killing their profits is the movies they produce that aren't any good.
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  10. someone forgot to tell the immigrants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    that we are a delapidated, third world country. i guess those millions of people from mexico, africa, asia, etc, who come here must be under some delusion. but once they find out you cant set up a website to help people get movies for free, i guess they will figure america is, truly, a third world country, and head back to a mequilladora to make 3 dollars a day

  11. Re:How is this even possible!!?!?!?!!! by nurb432 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Knowledge transfer is forbidden in this society.

    This is just the beginning..

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  12. United States by Swampash · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hear that sound, that enormous wash of white noise like the mother of all surf on the mother of all beaches?

    That's the whole world laughing. At you.

  13. They proved a point or two. by gnutoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can't do business in the US because there is no free press there. It's the Napster case all over again and the courts have learned nothing in the last decade. Their lust to protect what they perceive as a big US business interest has them reaching these absurd rulings for tenuous secondary encouragement of copyright infringement. The fact that it's impossible for anyone to tell who "owns" a digital file is reason to rethink copyright not destroy people's ability to share things they have every right to share. Decisions like this will leave the US a broadcast backwater in a world that's bursting with free culture.

    1. Re:They proved a point or two. by ravenshrike · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The only reason they even got in trouble was because they started to delete the actual forum logs and such after the trial had started. At that point they were boned, seeing as it was a civil case and pretty much all the time destruction of evidence = guilt in such cases.

  14. Re:One Hundred and Ten MILLION Dollars by freedom_india · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of course not one single cent would go to the arists and actors.
    All the money would goto lawyers who would buy two more resorts in Panama.
    And the actors and directors would be none-the-less-wiser.
    I say the actors guild should sue the MPAA now and ask the Judge to hold the money in an Escrow account until accounting is resolved.

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  15. This is a difficult issue. by jd · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Arguably, since the cyclone/wave damage was only severe because the mangroves were all cut down, the human suffering from nature was a direct result of the natural suffering from humans. Was this their own decision (which could be considered a Solomonesque consequence), a decision of their Government (a remarkably foolish one, if so, and only a fool would deny the needy of aid on the advice of a fool), or commercial pressure from countries like the US (which is the primary cause of rainforest destruction)?

    If outside commercial pressure is the root cause of the devastation, then the blood price (as the Celts referred to it) should be a function of the gain from that pressure, not simply a function of the need ultimately caused by it. To deprive others of environmentally-provided protection from the inevitable is a crime against society. Indirectness is no excuse if the chain of events is pre-determined and inescapable. However, nobody at this point has identified that that was the reason the mangroves were cut down, so this is no more than an if/then.

    If this was an internal political decision, then I fail to see the importance of the politicians. America has never respected sovereign status on any other issue, when it has been convenient, so why recognize it when it is not an issue of convenience but life itself?

    If this was a local decision, made in the knowledge that it was completely suicidal, well, if we are now recognizing the right of individuals to terminate their own lives of their own free will, and societies are merely the product of the consensus of individuals, what right do we have to deny soieties the right to terminate themselves? Again, this is an if/then, not a judgement or an opinion of whether this was in fact what happened.

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  16. Re:nice while it lasted by badasscat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nice quote. I had no idea RR had such mastery of subtlety.

    Makes you wonder if he also said anything to the effect of "wars are advocated only by persons who have not been killed in one" or "capital punishment is advocated only by persons who have not been executed." Somehow I doubt it.

    Goes to show that eloquence and logic don't always go hand in hand.