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Skype Gives Up Anti-GPL Appeal

l2718 writes "Yesterday we discussed Skype's appeal of a German court's ruling against them regarding a violation of the GPL. Harald Welte (the plaintiff) now reports in his blog that following oral argument, Skype decided to drop the appeal and accept the lower court ruling in Weite's favor. More details and analysis at Groklaw. Congratulations to Mr. Welte and GPL-violations.org!"

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  1. As Groklaw says... by Dekortage · · Score: 5, Informative

    "To all those who don't like the license: you don't have to use it. Just write your own code. But if you want to use GPL code, the license comes with it. It's a package deal. Thanks."

    (which has been oft-said on /.)

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  2. Re:Regarding the summary... by stirz · · Score: 5, Informative

    He's called Harald Welte .

  3. Re:What is the Software? by Tester · · Score: 4, Informative

    What GPL'd software did Skype use and how was it discovered that Skype was using it? The Linux kernel...
  4. Re:What is the Software? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    What GPL'd software did Skype use and how was it discovered that Skype was using it? The case is about a GPL violation of Skype, related to their sales of Wifi Skype phones based on the Linux operating system kernel.
  5. Re:So, do we get source code now? by allthingscode · · Score: 4, Informative

    This means that you get to see whatever GPL'd code Skype was using, and if they made changes to that code, they are required to release them as well under the GPL. You don't have access under the GPL to any of their other code that does not meet these conditions.

  6. Re:What is the Software? by jimmypw · · Score: 5, Informative

    They took the open moko device and rebranded it as their own which was fair and legal. What they didnt do was make the source code available for those modifications which is required under section 3 of the GPL. They then packeged their item with a link to the source code but that didnt meet the terms of the license as only people with an internet connection can access it (its a skype device so wouldnt they have an internet conenction to A. Order one and B. Use it) They then claimed the GPL license violated anti-trust yesterday before giving up today.

    As for how it was discovered i'm not sure. Im guessing that as they complied with the rest of the agreement they left the copyright notice in.

    Glorious day

  7. Re:What is the Software? by Daengbo · · Score: 4, Informative

    When they supplied a link, it didn't meet the licensing terms because they still didn't notify the receiver of his right to redistribute.

  8. Re:This is a victory? by multisync · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, it looks like business can no longer ignore and quietly use unlicensed software in supporting roles and they'll have to recognize it for what it is.

    Unlicensed software is a threat that will expose all of the work it touches it to outside scrutiny whether you want it or not. No longer can unlicensed code be relied upon to fill some small niche in a product environment. Whatever it touches, it taints. Instead, it will be necessary to re-invent these wheels. Poorly.

    It therefore immediately needs to be eliminated from the workplace or used only as an isolated tool for "support" or "administration". Keep any unlicensesd code away from the production, distribution, or testing of proprietary code.


    I don't normally go for those "there, fixed that fer ya" type posts, but it seems to me this is really what you are saying.

    You are correct, the result of this decision may be that some people who were using GPL code in violation of the license will no longer do so, just as the announcement of Microsoft going after companies using unlicensed copies of their software may have a similar effect. How you feel about that really depends on how you feel about copyright in general.

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  9. Re:This is the story... by achurch · · Score: 2, Informative

    Skype ripped off some GPL code.
    After they got caught out, it went to court.
    After some months toing and froing, Skype lost a lower court settlement.
    Skype took it to a higher court.
    Later that day, the appeals judge slaps them down, hard.
    The next day, Skype drops the case.

    Fixed that for you.

  10. Re:This is a victory? by multisync · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...but if I write some software and post it on a web site, it doesn't have any license, does that mean no one can use it


    IANAL, but I'll take a crack at that.

    In the US, whatever you create is copyrighted by default. I believe it is easier to defend if you take the step of registering it, but as far as I know simply putting a copyright notice on it is sufficient. So I couldn't come along and take the code you published and use it in a project I intend to distribute without getting your permission.

    "Getting your permission" is what abiding by the GPL amounts to. It says "this code is copyrighted. You may not redistribute it unless you agree to these terms ..."

    Unlike Microsoft-style EULAs, the GPL (as far as I know) does not have to be accepted by the user, as it really has nothing to do with the user (despite the fact that a lot of software out there makes you "accept" the GPL before installing it). You don't need to agree to anything to use emacs to write your novel, but if you want to include it in a software distribution, or use the source code within a project you are developing yourself, you need to get the permission of the copyright holder and agree to his terms. That means abiding by the GPL.
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  11. Re:Important lesson: by msebast · · Score: 2, Informative

    The code in question is the Linux Kernel. So the penguin and the gnu are both relevant.

  12. Re:So, do we get source code now? by infinite8s · · Score: 2, Informative

    This means that you get to see whatever GPL'd code Skype was using, and if they made changes to that code, they are required to release them as well under the GPL. You don't have access under the GPL to any of their other code that does not meet these conditions. But the source code is not required to be available to anyone. Skype only has to make the source available to people who have the rebranded open moko phone. Of course, it is perfectly legal for those people to redistribute the source to anybody else and Skype cannot stop them.
  13. Re:Two thoughts on this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    What steps should one follow to insure that the Visual Hub developer complies with the GPL?
    Tell gpl-violations.org about your concerns and see what they think.