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NBC Activates Broadcast Flag

I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "NBC activated the 'broadcast flag' on a number of shows this week, ranging from American Gladiator to Medium, which prevented compliant programs like Windows Media Center from recording them. The matter is being 'looked into,' but that doesn't tell us whether it was an accident or a ploy to see how outraged viewers would be at being stripped of the time-shifting rights they've enjoyed ever since Sony v. Universal. Just in case it's the latter, it wouldn't hurt to let them know what you think."

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  1. Only Vista DRM has a problem by jkrise · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not the XP drivers or TiVo. Microsoft should be answering this.

    http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/45/262419/ShowThread.aspx

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  2. Thats no accident! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    German Broadcaster Pro7 'accidently' and because of 'technical problems' switched on the copy protection flag twice in the past few months.

    See this german article for example:
    http://www.digitalfernsehen.de/news/news_295076.html

  3. Mr. Rogers is crying. by bigattichouse · · Score: 5, Informative

    Fred Rogers would shake his head and shed a tear. (from wikipedia) During the controversy surrounding the introduction of the household VCR, Rogers was involved in supporting the manufacturers of VCRs in court. His 1979 testimony in the case Sony Corp. of America v. Universal City Studios, Inc. noted that he did not object to home recording of his television programs, for instance, by families in order to watch together at a later time. This testimony contrasted with the views of others in the television industry who objected to home recording or believed that devices to facilitate it should be taxed or regulated.

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  4. Re:From the site: by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yup and it did not affect Windows XP running Mediaportal (something far better than MCE), GBPVR, or Mythtv.

    I asked 6 friends that did have those Media Centers and all of them were able to record it just fine.

    Sounds like it only affects the DRM special from microsoft.

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  5. Just how easy is MythTV to install? by RaigetheFury · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just watch the video. It would make a great gift. http://www.mythpvr.com/mythtv/distribution/mythdora/4/install-1.html

  6. Same in Germany by tmk · · Score: 4, Informative

    The same thing happened in Germany last week. Pro7Sat1 did send an anti recording signal and many users of DVR could not see a thing.

    According to company which runs the satellite signal, it was just an technical error.

  7. Re:NBC? by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Informative

    could someone remind me again what this "NBC" thing is, and why I should care?

          It's this place where people watch programs interrupted by commercials at the time least convenient to them, and have to wait a whole week between episodes; instead of downloading them one season at a time and watching them whenever you want...

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  8. Exactly Right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I work in media, and I can tell you, NBC and similar companies are the absolute pawns of their advertisers. DRM is getting a big push from the ad guys because of commercial skipping. But (since the whole DRM/Broadcast Flag thing is a fiasco in the first place) they're not all subtle in their thinking, and if they hear a big fuss, they'll back off, and tell NBC to do the same.

    This is something activists have to learn: go after advertisers.

  9. The propaganda arm of General Electric.... by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 2, Informative

    They use it to conduct psyops against the populace, and whip up support for whatever military operation GE might be selling weapons systems for next.

    Also comes in handy for whitewashing their union-busting and environmental crimes, as well.

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  10. Contract law already covers this by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Informative

    You can waste an awful lot of time reading contracts and discovering that you've agreed to obnoxious things... and that there's not an awful lot you can do about it because all the competitors have similar contracts... and that, surprise, surprise, the employee behind the car rental counter is not interested in striking out clauses and negotiating contracts with an individual customer with a line behind him.

    The interesting thing here is that contract law in most places already makes allowances for this sort of thing. There's even a legal term — contract of adhesion — describing standard contracts where there wasn't equal power for each party to negotiate on the details. Also, contracts generally require a meeting of minds, with both sides understanding what they are agreeing to; where this is not the case, courts can (and do) hold that unreasonable conditions are unenforceable.

    In other words, it shouldn't be necessary to change the law to achieve what you want. If a contract of adhesion includes deceptive provisions that a typical person would be unlikely to agree to if they understood the implications, then it's already the case that courts might strike those provisions. You just need someone to bring the case.

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  11. Re:And my MythBox by sricetx · · Score: 2, Informative

    B.S. Mythtv is dead simple to install using a Mythbuntu live CD. If one takes a little care with their choice of hardware, the only possible problem areas I could think of would be lirc configuration for some remotes (at least it's a bit of a pain with the POS Packard Bell serial IR receiver I have).

  12. Re:The epitome of unbiased summaries by jotok · · Score: 4, Informative

    No. I use MythTV (albeit through the analog hole); my computer tells the set-top box what channel to tune in, and converts whatever comes into the s-video jack to MPEG4.

    There are digital capture cards that predate the broadcast flag, as well. They're just hard to find.

  13. Re:Don't get too smug - remember Macrovision? by bhtooefr · · Score: 2, Informative

    *ahem*

    Remember Macrovision eliminators?

  14. Re:The epitome of unbiased summaries by scharkalvin · · Score: 4, Informative

    No they are not!
    http://www.pchdtv.com/
    (if you run Linux!)

  15. Re:The epitome of unbiased summaries by Xesdeeni · · Score: 3, Informative

    Umm. I thought the FCC tried to make it illegal, but was struck down by a court who said they overstepped their bounds. I believe they are still trying to make this a requirement, but I'm pretty sure it's not illegal to make a DVR that ignores the flag...yet. But some people are trying to prevent them.

    Xesdeeni