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Black Holes Don't Trap Information Forever

sciencehabit writes "New calculations suggest that black holes are not a one-way street. Anything that falls into them may eventually come out. The findings lend important support to quantum gravity, but fly in the face of Einsteinian relativity. They also support Stephen Hawking's reluctant admission that information couldn't be destroyed by black holes. Penn State researcher Ahbay Ashtekar was quoted saying, 'Once we realized that the notion of space-time as a continuum is only an approximation of reality, it became clear to us that singularities are merely artifacts of our insistence that space-time should be described as a continuum.' Let the physics infighting begin."

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  1. Oh great... by Cryacin · · Score: 5, Funny

    So I can't even wipe my drives by throwing them into a black hole?!? Grumble... (fires up microwave)

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  2. Known for years by LeafOnTheWind · · Score: 5, Funny

    Once we realized that the notion of space-time as a continuum is only an approximation of reality, it became clear to us that singularities are merely artifacts of our insistence that space-time should be described as a continuum. I already discovered this during a wild acid trip 30 years ago. Man, the space time continuum is just an illusion - it's all about the singularities. When will The Man start listening and give me my Nobel Prize.
  3. Re:pretty continua by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Its just that the simulator for this universe has a cell-size, so anything below a plank length is just being approximated to speed up the calculations.

  4. But does that mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does that mean that there's the slightest probability to unsee goatse and live a normal life again?

  5. LHC by ViX44 · · Score: 5, Funny

    It is a pity that, after they fire up the Large Hadron Collider, we won't survive to hear Hawking's reluctant admission that tiny black holes don't evaporate.

  6. Re:ridiculous by Stormwatch · · Score: 5, Funny

    Time has never reversed or looped or anything crazy like that before so why would it now?
    How the hell would you know if it did?
    Oh, come on, anyone would notice...
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  7. Re:ridiculous by complete+loony · · Score: 5, Funny

    How the hell would you know if it did? How the hell would you know if it did?
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  8. More diabolical than that by symbolset · · Score: 5, Funny

    The quantum unit of information is a "ficton".

    The rest of the jokes write themselves.

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  9. At last! Someone seeks my work! by fireboy1919 · · Score: 5, Funny

    In 1687, Isaac Newton wrote is Principia, which defined about half of calculus, and all of Newtonian physics - defining laws of both gravity, and inertia. It is understandable, then with no understanding of quantum mechanics at all, that he did not explicitly mention quantum monkeys at all.

    Maxwell then went on to explain Ether as a medium through which light traveled in 1878, later being disproved in 1881 by Michelson, and laying the groundwork for the discovery of quantum monkeys though the discovery of constant velocity light.

    This was established as mathematically sound in Einstein's theory of special relativity in 1905. General relativity, which explained gravitational effects on light and particles/waves moving fractionally close to the speed of light, was finally established in 1915 by Hilbert and Einstein, surprisingly without mention of quantum monkeys, despite all indications.

    Because of this work, as well as the basics of quantum mechanics established by Einstein, various scientists were able to find the six quarks: Up, Down, Top, Bottom, Charmed and Strange, the last (top) only having been confirmed in a laboratory in 1995. Strangely, however, none of the various experiments which identified quarks also identified quantum monkeys, which would have been readily observable through their quantum-picking-fleas-off-other-quantum-monkey gatherings.

    The first of these discoveries, in the early 1960s made possible a formalization of a unified model in 1970-73 of four fundamental forces, three of which can be unified mathematically under one theory and with particles that are at least indirectly observable (electromagnetic, strong nuclear, and weak nuclear), and a fourth which doesn't quite fit (gravity). Despite these obvious problems, no one started looking at the quantum banana-eating by quantum monkeys as a possible unifying factor.

    To establish a unified theory including gravity, scientists are currently using strings, rather than monkeys, as a unifying element. However, the majority of these theories are neither testable nor useful for the advancement of mankind. None of them so much as mention quantum poo, or postulate that quantum monkeys could have thrown it.

    To this day, the world waits for scientists start to seek out the quantum monkeys that have so long waited for proper credit to be given to them for unifying quantum forces. So we wait still, a working unified theory still out of our grasp.

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  10. Einstein's Letter by Twigmon · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...but fly in the face of Einsteinian relativity.

    Sounds like God is a little grumpy about Einstein's letter coming out.

  11. CHUCK NORRIS by ClioCJS · · Score: 5, Funny
    Chuck Norris gets information from black holes just by looking at them.

    and the event horizon of Chuck Norris is infinity.

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  12. Re:Damn by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    My patent on garbage disposal using blackholes is now worthless.

    No, its worthless because you signed the patent application "Anonymous Coward".

  13. Re:Yet another approximation of reality by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    First I learn Newton is only an approximation...now even Einstein...is only an approximation as well. Will the real reality please reveal itself!

    Here ya go

  14. Re:pretty continua by William+Robinson · · Score: 5, Funny
    Single answer.

    It's turtles all the way down :)

  15. Re:pretty continua by MadnessASAP · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hah! That pretty much describes all the science classes I've ever taken. First day of class always went something like this "Just kidding all that hard work you did was actually pointless. This is hows the universe "actually" works. *snicker*"

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  16. So it IS possible... by phagstrom · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can get the information back from /dev/null. My compression scheme does work. Time to take over the world!

  17. Re:pretty continua by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    This too will be shown to just be an approximation which doesn't actually reflect how the universe works. That's all physics is in the end.

    +0.99999997387120382 Insightful

  18. Re:pretty continua by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 5, Funny
    I've always wondered about the following:

    if two particles are quantum-entangled, and you separate them, they remain entangled and you can monitor the state of one using the other. (Although I never understood what happens when one particle is accelerated to near light speed: how do two particles on different time scales stay connected?)

    So now drop one particle of the pair into a black hole.

    If they remain entangled, then you clearly have a way to pass information out of the black hole (although time may be stretched so it's not instantaneous anymore). This breaks known physics.

    If their entanglement is broken off, then it means the gravitation boundary of a black hole trumps quantum entanglement. But that breaks known physics.

    I'll take questions from the audience now. Yes, Dr Kip Thorne?

    Thorne: You bastard.