Black Holes Don't Trap Information Forever

sciencehabit writes "New calculations suggest that black holes are not a one-way street. Anything that falls into them may eventually come out. The findings lend important support to quantum gravity, but fly in the face of Einsteinian relativity. They also support Stephen Hawking's reluctant admission that information couldn't be destroyed by black holes. Penn State researcher Ahbay Ashtekar was quoted saying, 'Once we realized that the notion of space-time as a continuum is only an approximation of reality, it became clear to us that singularities are merely artifacts of our insistence that space-time should be described as a continuum.' Let the physics infighting begin."

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[ILuvRamen]

what do they mean not a continuum? Now we're gonna run out of time? I think they need to stop reading A Tale of Time city where time's a big horseshoe that a city can ride on. Time has never reversed or looped or anything crazy like that before so why would it now? Just cuz some "scientists," and I use that term lightly, make some money by making up crazy shit about time doesn't make it true. That and the whole you can't measure it so quantum effects are in a state of flux and I dare you to try and prove me wrong stuff really needs to go away cuz it's a waste of funding. How about an actual, real solution. Just cuz information is stuck in a black hole doesn't mean it's gone, it just means it's in the black hole forever. If you send an object flying through empty space, it'll keep moving forever if nothing stops it. Kinda the same thing except in a black hole. Who says it has to come out? It's permanently stored but it's there.

Continuum Physics Is Crackpottery

[MOBE2001]

Continuity (infinite divisibility) is the basis of black holes and wormholes. It is nonsense for the simple reason that it leads to an infinite regress. Heck, space itself (i.e. distance) does not exist for the same simple reason. Distance is an illusion of perception. Spacetime is worse because nothing can move in it by definition. In Conjectures and Refutations, Sir Karl Popper compared spacetime to "Einstein's block universe in which nothing happens". All those physicists out there who are still making a living off of continuum physics are a bunch of crackpots. And that includes time travel believer Stephen Hawking. There is a lot of bullshit in the physics community that passes for science. Don't let mainstream physicists do your thinking for you. Click on the following links and get enlightened.

Nasty Little Truth About Spacetime Physics
Nasty Little Truth About Space

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Re:Continuum Physics Is Crackpottery

[MOBE2001]

We are talking about realworld here, and not about math.

Keep in mind that the idea that calculus is the mathematics of the continuum is a complete lie perpetrated by mathematicians. Numbers are discrete by definition. There is nothing continuous about calculus, otherwise I could not use a quintessentially discrete machine like a digital computer to perform calculus operations. I do it all the time. The real reason that math seems to fit physical phenomena so well is that both are discrete. However, as one approaches a certain level (the Planck level), the correspondence between calculus and reality disappears and so-called continuum math becomes useless.

Continuity has always been illogical. Black holes, wormholes, etc... it's all worthless crackpottery. And the snake oil purveyors who insist (even in the face of solid refutation) on feeding this crap to an unsuspecting public should be held accountable. After all, it's the public who ultimately pays their salaries and the public deserves to receive good service for its money.