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Verizon Joins Linux Mobile Foundation

An anonymous reader brings news that Verizon Wireless has announced plans to use a Linux-based software platform for phones on its network. Verizon is the first US mobile carrier to join the Linux Mobile Foundation, the goal of which is to "collaboratively develop a comprehensive Linux-based mobile software stack that can be modified easily and used at no cost on a wide range of hardware devices." Many had expected Verizon to go with Android, but according to the Register, Verizon feels Android "isn't as open as it would prefer." Continuing: "Yes, Google bills Android as open. And, yes, it's backed by the Open Handset Alliance, another industry consortium calling for the open development of mobile apps. But [Verizon spokesman Jeffrey] Nelson argues that at this point, Google is calling the shots. 'Google said "Here's the plan. Sign on the dotted line if you support." It may end up being collaborative. It may end up being collegial. But it need not be.' He actually has a point. But maybe Verizon just wants more control over the situation. It should be noted that the company made sure it has a place on the LiMo board. In any event, Verizon says that customers will be free to attach any device and any application to its network by the end of the year - provided those devices and applications met certain minimum specifications. So, in theory, you'll have free rein to attach an Android phone even if you don't buy it from Verizon."

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  1. Android not as open by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Verizon feels Android "isn't as open as it would prefer."
    Translation: Google won't let use lock Android phones down, so we made sure we had a place on the LiMo board to ensure that we can continue to control everything the way we've always done.

    1. Re:Android not as open by BVis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I couldn't disagree more. These are American consumers we're talking about here. They care more about what color their phone is than how much more they get screwed as compared to cell phone customers in any other civilized country.

      I'd say they don't care about something until it costs them money, but here they don't know that there's any other way, since most Americans think other countries are fictional.

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    2. Re:Android not as open by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Who marked this as Insightful?
      Ignorant is more like it, but there isn't an option for that so Flamebait would be more accurate.

    3. Re:Android not as open by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Mod parent up. See, for example, this thread.

    4. Re:Android not as open by Spokehedz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's all bad with VZW locking down their phones. By not letting every single phone have every single feature, people actually have to pick and choose phones based on how easy they are to hack to get the phone working with what they want.

      By hanging onto the theory that people buy ringtones for $4.99 because there is no easy way to copy over the MP3 files because you disabled bluetooth OBEX... That's just crazy talk.

      It's about time they were talking about openness. They've been a closed book for too many years.

    5. Re:Android not as open by AmaDaden · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's the nice part about running Java on the phone most people don't seem to get. By having the Java wrapper they only have to secure Java from doing anything wrong not try to secure random code that will be running as compiled. Why Java and not C++ or [insert favorite language here]? Because Java came with a wrapper (the JVM) and it's the biggest language right now(This might just sound like me showing a preference but TIOBE backs me up on this. http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html).

  2. Verizon? by adpsimpson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of course, this will only be of any benefit to the users if they leave the 'modified easily and used at no cost on a wide range of hardware devices' aspect open to the users.

    Judging by the past performance of Verizon, they will do anything possible to lock it down and maximise their profit stream/control over the platform.

    At least it should make the devices more hackable though! :)

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    1. Re:Verizon? by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's why I'm an AT&T customer now.

      I was interested in the XV6800 (an HTC Windows Mobile device), but Verizon was delaying it for months and months after Sprint released the same device for "network certification issues".

      I learned my lesson the hard way what "network certification issues" means from Verizon delaying the Treo 650 by 6-9 months from Sprint release - It means "the phone's software hasn't been crippled to our satisfaction yet".

      So if the phone you want is released on Sprint but Verizon is delaying it for "network certification issues", find another phone or switch providers, because the phone you get from Verizon will NOT have the features and functionality that the Sprint variant has.

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  3. US catches up with the rest of the World. by krischik · · Score: 3, Insightful

    will be free to attach any device and any application to its network by the end of the year - provided those devices and applications met certain minimum specifications. So finally the US caught up with us....
    1. Re:US catches up with the rest of the World. by The+Ultimate+Fartkno · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, the US is merely saying something that makes it *look* like a bastion of freedom and democracy and ice-cream-covered puppy kisses and unicorn farts. In reality, the moment that someone releases a free application for a Verizon phone that enables some cheap and wonderful functionality, the higher-ups at the company will shit themselves in outrage and find a way to make sure that their flag-waving freedom-pimp network is able to triple your charges the next month for having the audacity to use your phone in the manner that *you* want without having the decency to give them a wheelbarrow full of cash first.

  4. Outsorcing phones while charging for the privilage by maggard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    will be free to attach any device and any application to its network by the end of the year - provided those devices and applications met certain minimum specifications.

    For a fee.

    Yep, Verizon built a US$20 million lab to 'certify' products submitted for use on their network, and expects to recoup that investment by charging for their certification services. So unless someone with reasonably deep pockets is gonna back your whatsmawhoseits it won't going on Verizon's network. Compare this to, say, T-Mobile whose policy is pretty much if it takes a SIM plug it in and they'll be happy to bill you for it.

    What is Verizons real goal?

    Getting out of the phone business.

    No carrier likes to be in the phone business - it costs money for all of those stores & racks of phones & inventory management and huge support overhead, not to mention the complex subsidy plans that everyone loathes. So Verizon's plan is to outsource it all to the phone manufacturers. Sure, buy any Verizon 'certified' phone (same as the rest of the world using GSM enjoys) and plug it in. Got a problem?? Call whomever you bought it from, or the manufacturer, just not Verizon.

    It's an easy way for Verizon to expand the offerings on their network, at no risk or cost to Verizon, while shifting the overhead of supporting those phones elsewhere. Verizon will charge for the service, that lovely pricey plan, just now you'll be buying from their list of 'certified' products, not their Verizon-branded phones.

    Expect in a few years to walk into Verizon stores with minimal selection of phones, just enough range to cover the basics for those too out-of-the-loop to buy their phone elsewhere. Or even a sublet strategy where phone manufacturers pay for square footage and supply their own staff to sell their brand phones.

    But innovative homebrew startups etc.? Not on big red it'll be expensively certified products paying for the Verizon privilage thankyouverymuch.

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  5. Android isn't about Linux by argent · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You can already easily use native libraries in Android, even though it is officially unsupported.

    I can use native libraries in Mono, too... that doesn't mean that the fact that Mono runs on Linux makes a .NET application a Linux application.

    The Android API may well be a better one than the UNIX API for a cellphone, by the way, so I'm not saying that this is necessarily a drawback to Android. What I'm saying is that it doesn't matter all that much to the developer whether the OS below the Android runtime is Linux, Windows CE, Windows PE, whatever the Symbian OS is called this week, Palm OS 5, BeOS, or Amiga.DE.

    The whole "Android is Linux" meme is just muddying the waters... Android isn't using Linux as anything but an implementation tool. Android isn't about Linux. Android is about Android.