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FBI Wiretapping Audit Secrets Uncovered Via Ctrl+C

mytrip notes a story in Wired's Threat Level blog on the latest boneheaded government moves with redaction. (We've been discussing redaction follies here for years.) This time it's an FBI report (PDF) on implementing CALEA — you can select text from redacted areas, copy it, and paste into a text editor, as University of Pennsylvania professor Matt Blaze discovered. From Wired: "Once again, supposedly sensitive information blacked out from a government report turns out to be visible by computer experts armed with the Ctrl+C keys — and that information turns out to be not very sensitive after all... [Among] the tidbits considered too sensitive to be aired publicly: The FBI paid Verizon $2,500 apiece to upgrade 1,140 old telephone switches. Oddly the report didn't redact the total amount paid to the telecom — slightly more than $2.9 million dollars — but somehow the bad guys will win if they knew the number of switches and the cost paid."

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  1. Let me guess... by Phyrexicaid · · Score: 4, Funny

    If they were running a website, they would use:
    <FONT
    style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: black">Top Secret!</FONT>

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    1. Re:Let me guess... by Slashdot+Suxxors · · Score: 4, Funny

      Come on, at least make your top secret docs standards compliant. :(

    2. Re:Let me guess... by Phyrexicaid · · Score: 5, Funny

      Come on, at least make your top secret docs standards compliant. :(</quote>
      I wanted it to be realistic :P

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  2. Too much UNIX for me by mikael_j · · Score: 5, Funny

    The headline and summary made took a minute for me to grasp, I just couldn't understand how you could get data out of something by halting execution.

    Then my brain woke up and I realized they were thinking of the Windows command Ctrl+C which copies the marked text..

    /Mikael

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    1. Re:Too much UNIX for me by hackstraw · · Score: 5, Funny

      Then my brain woke up and I realized they were thinking of the Windows command Ctrl+C which copies the marked text..

      Right. Me too. I don't use windows, so I think Ctrl+C == SIGINT.

      I saw a similar thing on another article here where they had Ctrl+Z in the article, and that took me a minute to figure out as well. I thought, WTF does suspending a task have to do with anything??? I then had to figure out that Ctrl+Z is the undo command in windows.

    2. Re:Too much UNIX for me by SharpFang · · Score: 5, Funny

      very simply...

      Welcome To FBI Info Booth.
      Please press:
      1 to open contact form
      2 to learn about the organization
      3 to get the latest news
      4 to access the current most wanted list
      5 to access other FBI resources
      Your choice: _ [ctrl+C]
      Terminated.
      root@booth975.fbi.gov# cat ./wiretaps.txt

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      45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2
    3. Re:Too much UNIX for me by Tim+C · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ctrl+C, Ctrl+X and Ctrl+V were increasingly common shortcuts in Linux apps the last time I used Linux on the desktop, which is going back a good few years now.

      Yes, they still do "different" things in a terminal, but they're by no means "Windows commands" any more.

    4. Re:Too much UNIX for me by dbitch · · Score: 5, Informative

      These are the IBM Common User Access commands. So, they were never "Windows commands" to begin with.

      Funny how history works, huh?

    5. Re:Too much UNIX for me by _xeno_ · · Score: 4, Informative

      These are the IBM Common User Access commands. So, they were never "Windows commands" to begin with.

      No, they're not. The Wikipedia article even lists the correct keys that actually were in the CUA. They were the ever-so-intuitive:

      Copy: Ctrl-Ins
      Cut: Shift-Del
      Paste: Shift-Ins
      Undo: Alt-Backspace

      These were the CUA shortcuts. The new Ctrl-Z/X/C/V shortcut set was stolen off the Mac, because unlike the CUA set, it makes sense. Unlike the CUA, it's always Control-Something. X and C make perfect sense for Cut and Copy. Z and V make less sense unless you think of them as little icons, in which case the Z is a Zig-Zag backwards and the V is a down-arrow pasting into the document. Ultimately, though, they're used because they're next to each other on the keyboard. All your common edit actions in a nice little row.

      If you want a non-Wikipedia source, you can try this page. The CUA keys still work in most Windows applications, it's just that the Mac keys also work since they don't overlap. Alt-F4 remains as probably the most-used CUA shortcut.

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  3. It's easy... by johannesg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Look, the point of blacking out is not just to remove critical information, it is also to get you used to large parts of documents being blacked out. It is a way of hiding a signal within a lot of noise.

    By randomly blacking out stuff, you will never know if there is vital information hiding underneath the black text. And you will become more and more accepting of documents that have barely any text at all.

    The purpose is, of course, to allow more and more freedom to the agencies doing the blacking out. And less and less to you.

  4. Secrets Kept to avoid Embarrassment by curmudgeon99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a classic example of secrecy being used not for national security but to avoid embarrassment. There are likely thousands of these types of secrets that cost money to keep but that are for no reason at all. Ass clowns.

  5. Implementation by Graywolf · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Redacted" was apparently implemented by covering the area with a white rectangle. Since the PDF has real text/vector graphics (as opposed to a bitmap), the information is still present in the file and even the standard Acrobat viewer can access it. Someone "Failed at Behaving Intelligently"

  6. Who's responsible..? by ricebowl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Once again, supposedly sensitive information blacked out from a government report turns out to be visible by computer experts armed with the Ctrl+C keys

    What confuses me is that, and I might be too generous in my assumption, I assume that there's an IT professional somewhere that looks over these released files prior to their release? I know that common sense is entirely too uncommon these days, but if I were to release a digital file (whether to an individual or the public) I'd make sure that someone from the IT department looked it over before release.

    Otherwise it's like having a flu vaccine released by managers that went nowhere near an immunologist or virologist.

    Still, I'm sure that, sometime soon, MS will remove the Ctrl+C combination. For national security, of course.

    1. Re:Who's responsible..? by MrMr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...assume that there's an IT professional somewhere that looks over these released files prior to their release?

      Apparently you have never worked for a government department.

      Otherwise it's like having a flu vaccine released by managers that went nowhere near an immunologist or virologist.

      or in the pharmaceutical industry.

    2. Re:Who's responsible..? by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...assume that there's an IT professional somewhere that looks over these released files prior to their release?

      Apparently you have never worked for a government department.

      Otherwise it's like having a flu vaccine released by managers that went nowhere near an immunologist or virologist.

      or in the pharmaceutical industry. It's not lack of knowledge, it's optimism. Don't pop the pink bubble.
  7. Not everything is censorship. by R2.0 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sometimes items are redacted because of contractual commitments or confidentiality agreements. Take the example in the story; now, all Verizon's competition needs to do is bid $2,499 per switch and they get the job. So what if they could have supplied the switches at $2,200 and still made a healthy profit - they just need to be low. So that's $299 extra per switch that the government (aka, taxpayers) will have to pay because the competitive bid environment has been contaminated.

    But hey, they made their point about evil government masterminds being wholly incompetent, so what does logic matter?

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  8. LOL! by sm62704 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    visible by computer experts armed with the Ctrl+C keys

    The FBI is trying to trick me into thinking they're all stupid so they can find out where I've got the 500 acre marijuana farm with its fiftten thousand tons of marijuana in the barn, 500 beautiful hookers and the casino downstairs, where you can buy white lightning and moonshine.

    Meanwhile, Osama's still loose.

    Attention FBI: Look, dumbasses, print the damned thing out, black out the parts that embarrass the President and your Director with a magic marker and scan it to a TIF file (that's a graphics format, guys. Pay attention!) and "print" THAT to PDF.

    But you already know that, you're trying to find my pot gambling hooker farm!

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  9. Copy & Paste Reveals FBI Wiretapping Audit Sec by FlameWise · · Score: 5, Informative

    Honestly, same here. Some of those headlines are becoming really hard to read.

    "Wiretapping": verb. The FBI is wiretapping something. "is" omitted as in many headlines.

    "Audit": verb. The FBI's act of wiretapping is auditing something (Huh?)

    "Secrets": verb. The Audit of the FBI's wiretapping is leaking something. Wait isn't "secrete" writting with an extra "e"?

    "Uncovered": verb, passive. By now I'm sort doubtful I got it right in the fourth attempt.

    "Via Ctrl+C": By what?

    It took me reading the link in the original post to figure they meant a key press and not a screen name or a publication I wasn't familiar with, also helped me sort the four verbs into some semblance of legal grammar.

    How about: "Copy & Paste Reveals FBI Wiretapping Audit Secrets"?

    Remember school: Passive is bad for you.

  10. Re:Copy & Paste Reveals FBI Wiretapping Audit by FlameWise · · Score: 4, Funny

    Right, I had one moment where I thought that hitting Ctrl+C would somehow reveal that the FBI is auditing you, too.

  11. Follow the evil overlord tips by vecctor · · Score: 4, Insightful
    When I read this, the first thing I thought of were the evil overlord rules - specifically this one:

    One of my advisors will be an average five-year-old child. Any flaws in my plan that he is able to spot will be corrected before implementation. They just need to have some intern to sit around and spot obvious flaws in document security. Any idiot giving this doc a cursory examination would have found this.

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  12. It looks like you're trying to redact a document! by Halo- · · Score: 5, Informative

    For me, the best part of the article was the link to the NSA redaction guidelines. Interesting reading I suppose, but the fact that throughout the entire paper the screencaps of MS Word had that damn Clippy-substitute cat sitting in the corner was classic. I'm not sure I'd trust someone (even at the NSA) to give me advice on MS Word options and settings when they can't even turn of the animated assistant.

  13. How much!!! by JaJ_D · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The FBI paid Verizon $2,500 apiece to upgrade 1,140 old telephone switches. Oddly the report didn't redact the total amount paid to the telecom â" slightly more than $2.9 million dollars â" but somehow the bad guys will win if they knew the number of switches and the cost paid.

    It's more likely that the total number is large and people go "ok must be a lot" but at 2.5k usd per switch people would go "how fucking much!!!" - that's what they may want to avoid

    Jaj

  14. this just goes to show by v1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    how abused and misapplied all those "in the interest of national security" procedures are when there is no oversight in place. When will the legislators ever learn, anything that can be abused or misused, will be abused and misused in the absence of oversight? It's not even "might" or "is very likely". It always happens. It's human nature to take advantage for personal gain without risk. They censor anything that they want to, for any agenda, because they can. And this just exposes that truth.

    Now watch how they react to it. Do they straighten up their censorship policies? of course not. They'll simply make the abuse harder to discover.

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  15. The naivete! by wfolta · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It hurts my brain. The person who (incompetently) redacted the document was probably just following guidelines. My guess is that there's a guideline that says that specific numbers and costs cannot be published in reference to secure systems used by an intelligence or law enforcement agency. Only aggregate costs, as necessary to inform the public and lawmakers.

    No conspiracy. No corruption. No deeper meaning than a guideline that requires sticking your neck out and making a case if you want to violate it.

    Makes sense, actually, as most intelligence gathering is probably not about sentences like, "John Doe is our super-secret mole in the office of the director", but rather "the phone system has 1100 switches for all of North America, and is taken down every 2 weeks at 1 am for maintenance."

    And this leaves me wondering if those who are laughing or outraged at the attempted redaction (as opposed to the incompetence in implementing it) are also the same people who insist that they must have military-grade encryption and anonymous re-routing, using spread-spectrum wireless transmissions to public access facilities, in order to protect their private emails to grandmother. Sigh.