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Greenpeace Complains Game Consoles Aren't Green Enough

jasoncart writes "None of the major games consoles are 'green enough', says environmental group Greenpeace in a report released today. Zeina Al-Hajj, Greenpeace's International Toxic Campaign co-ordinator, said: "We were shocked with Nintendo; it was our biggest surprise." The company is described by the group as the least 'green' tech firm."

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  1. Re:Well yeah by polar+red · · Score: 5, Informative

    errr ... don't laugh. That exists : http://www.hempplastic.com/

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  2. Sigh.. by Rurik · · Score: 4, Informative

    More useless propaganda, and the idiots that fall for it.

    For the last two years, Nintendo has been rated the worst. But, not because that is the truth. They are rated that way because they refuse to disclose their environmental methods. And, by disclose, I mean that Nintendo didn't have that information readily available on their website.

    See this follow-up report from Ars Technica.

    In other words: nothing to see here; move along.

    1. Re:Sigh.. by samkass · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is the same thing that Greenpeace tried to do to Apple. Despite having one of the best records in the industry, Greenpeace rated them "worst" because they didn't publish enough details or promise to do things in the future. Other companies which were in much worse shape but promised things in the future got better ratings. In other words, Greenpeace appears to value words over actions.

      The Wii uses a small fraction of the electricity of the other two consoles. If all Wii sales had been PS3 or XBox360 sales, the environment would be a lot worse off.

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    2. Re:Sigh.. by Sentry21 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Except that the XBox 360 and PS3 can often use even more than the Wii. If you turn off the Wii's 'connect24' option, it's measured at 1.3 watts, as seen in this article.

      With the PS3, if you leave it on 'remote play' standby, it uses 24 watts. This guy did some interesting measurements. Among the more interesting ones:

      Satellite TV receiver (non DVR), standby or off: 15 watts.
      ReplayTV DVR: 30 watts standby, 34 watts active.
      Christmas tree, sparsely lit: 61 watts.
      HP Compaq 2510p work laptop, idle: 67 watts.

      So if you're really concerned about how much power your Wii uses in standby, make sure you're unplugging your receivers, DVRs, christmas trees, and computers when not using them as well.

      But that's standby? What about when they're on and running? The first article mentioned shows some interesting figures - namely that the 360 averages 185 watts, the PS3 averages 193 watts, their test PC averaged 198 watts, and the Wii averaged... 17 watts?

      So the Wii uses 1.3 watts idle, 9-11 watts on Connect24-idle, and 17 watts while active.

      The PS3 uses as low as 1.9 watts idle, 24 watts in 'remote start' standby, and up to 193 watts while playing a game.

      Sorry Greenpeace - which system is greener?

  3. The real enemy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    All of you saying Bush is slowly creeping in on your liberties, you need to look at the real enemy: the far left environmentalists. They (and the politicians joining them) are using false science to control your life and liberty, by saying that such clearly innocuous items as light bulbs are going to destroy the planet.

    1. Re:The real enemy by LucBorg · · Score: 2, Informative

      Oh so by "sensible" sized you mean crampt and uncomfortable? No thanks.

      Stop preaching about Europe unless you live there and have experienced first hand the new Stalinist regime of unelected life-long beaureucrats and dear leaders, living lives with all expenditure paid for by the populace and dictating to the majority how we should live.

      Increased "fuel efficiency" in Europe is just smoke and mirrors. Cars have better mileage in Europe because they are lighter, not because their engines are better. Manufacturers just cut corners wherever possible, and the end result is weak, light cars, and more serious accidents and road deaths. Waydago!

      More than big Oil, I'm far more worried about Big Green: another bunch of self-appointed Stalinists with huge income from vested interests, dictating policy of all governments from America to China to India to Russia, based on theories that have a greater weighting of emotion than real scientific evidence.

    2. Re:The real enemy by Entropy2016 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Manufacturers just cut corners wherever possible, and the end result is weak, light cars, and more serious accidents and road deaths. Waydago! Here is a link to a crash-test comparison between a tiny (really tiny!) European car (minicooper) versus a Ford F150:
      http://bridger.us/2002/12/16/CrashTestingMINICooperVsFordF150/

      Please explain to me why you believe small-european cars are inherently more dangerous?
  4. Power consumption, my friends by hengdi · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to this http://blog.wired.com/games/2007/08/wii-the-greenes.html/, the Wii uses 17 watts of energy, compared to the PS3's 171 watts and the 360 Elite's 194 watts.

    Doesn't this make th Wii the greenest? OK, so it may not be the easiest to recycle, but it's an order of magnitude better on power consumption!

    1. Re:Power consumption, my friends by residieu · · Score: 2, Informative

      What's not green about that? Baby seal skin is a renewable resource.

  5. Straight off the website by neochubbz · · Score: 5, Informative
    http://www.nintendo.com/corp/faq.jsp

    What does Nintendo do to help protect the environment?

    Nintendo is very concerned with doing our part to help preserve the environment. We're always researching new products and procedures to make our products and operations as environmental-friendly as possible.

    Some things Nintendo is already doing:

    • In Nintendo of America offices:

    • We recycle the paper we use company-wide.
    • We limit our use of colored paper, since it's not easily recycled.
    • We purchase recycled paper towels, report covers, message pads, and writing pads.
    • We currently recycle more than 70% of the waste that is generated at our headquarters.
    • We actively promote the recycling of aluminum cans, plastic bottles, and glass in our corporate cafeterias.
    • We re-use or recycle over 99% of any returned product that we receive from retailers and customers
    • In our products:

    • We use at least 80% recycled paper in all of our shipping packaging.
    • We don't use Styrofoam in any of our packaging.
    • Many of our instruction manuals are printed on recycled paper.
    • Our clamshell packaging is recyclable and most recycling centers accept it.
    • As is stated in the manuals of the Wii console and DS Lite, neither product contains latex, lead, mercury, cadmium, hexavalent chromium, polybrominated biphenyl (PBB), or polybrominated diphenyl ethers (PBDE). Additionally, we have been phasing out the use of PVC in our packaging, using a safer, recyclable plastic instead.
    • We take great care to comply with all relevant regulations on avoiding the use of dangerous materials. All Nintendo products supplied worldwide are designed to comply with relevant global standards. In order to certify that Nintendo products comply with standards for hazardous chemical substances, Nintendo has established the Green Procurement Standards, which require our component suppliers to certify that any parts they deliver do not include hazardous chemical substances, and ensure that Nintendo fully controls its products internally.
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  6. Re:Green ?! Jesus, they are not SAFE enough by polar+red · · Score: 3, Informative

    sorry, that's Phthalate : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phthalates

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  7. Re:Actual Report by falcon5768 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Its not a lack of disposal policy, its the fact that they refuse to disclose it to Greenpeace which makes them mad. All three of the systems use BFR and PVC

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  8. Re:well by value_added · · Score: 2, Informative

    i'd worry about phtalates after i was sure my balls wouldnt get chopped off in a console battery explosion.one has to know his priorities.

    Given that phtalates are associates with reduced testoserone levels and testicular cancer, among other things, I'd suggest double-checking your ... ugh ... priorities.

    And while you're at it, maybe check to see whether you're starting to grow breasts. Sometimes friends and family are too polite to say anything.

  9. Re:Just Picking the "hippest" target by geekoid · · Score: 2, Informative

    They could try to be honest...but this is Greenpeace and honesty isn't what they do.

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  10. Re:well by ramon_omar · · Score: 5, Informative

    i'd worry about phtalates after i was sure my balls wouldnt get chopped off in a console battery explosion. You're doing it wrong. You don't actually have to sit on the console for the game to work.
  11. Re:Who Cares? by FooAtWFU · · Score: 3, Informative

    Greenpeace has been pretty good about not doing anything too car-bomby. However, there are a number of other environmental activists (like the Earth Liberation Front and such) who do - in fact, "guerilla warfare" is more or less an explicit part of their mission - and some people probably lump them together, as they share a cause.

    Which is less than ideal, but hey, lots of people do things like that. For example, some well-intentioned people lump all the Christians together whether they're midwestern Protestant young-earth-creationist fundamentalists, borderline new-age syncretists, old-school Orthodox or Catholics...

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  12. Re:Who Cares? by Digital+Vomit · · Score: 2, Informative

    How the hell are greenpeace terrorists?

    Tree-spiking, piracy (the APL Jade in 2002), arson, etc.

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  13. Re:Who Cares? by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Informative

    How the hell are greenpeace terrorists?

    There have been incidents.

    Also - apparently in spite of --now-- publicly trying to distance themselves from the Sea Shephard, there are credible ties to GP and a ship specifically built to ram and sink whaling ships.

    /P

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  14. Re:That's a bit of a fallacy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    terrorism: trying to achieve political goal by propagating terror so the citizens pressure their government to accept terrorists revendications.

    So it's easy:
    --Ambushing soldiers and killing them: not terrorism.
    --Blowing up places for the mere reason they are crowded and that there will be many victims: terrorism.
    --Getting in between whales and ships: not terrorism.
    --Attacking ships and getting forceful control over them: piracy (not terrorism unless you have a political revendication and you try to propagate terror by doing so).

    That does not mean I aprove any actions aforementioned but words have a meaning.

  15. Re:WiiConnect24 by Sentry21 · · Score: 2, Informative

    You can disable Connect24 if you like, which will drop you down to about 1.3 watts from the 9 to 11 watts typical.

  16. Re:Who Cares? by Redlum_Jak2 · · Score: 4, Informative
    Greenpeace never advocated tree spiking. That was Earth First!

    The APL jade was not piracy. It was exactly the same thing Greenpeace does with whaling boats. They boarded the boat to hang a banner on it to advertise the fact that it was carrying illegally harvested mahogany.

    Greenpeace never advocated arson. That was the Earth Liberation Front.

    I don't care if you don't like Greenpeace. But if the only things you know about them are lies, then the only thing you don't like about Greenpeace are the lies that their enemies spout.

  17. Re:Green ?! Jesus, they are not SAFE enough by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's true but then they go and spoil it by requiring the Wii to be left on standby if you want the mail & Mii moving features to work.
    Let's run a few figures here.

    * Assume 20 hours a week of gameplay
    * Assume that all consoles remain plugged into the wall for a year
    * Assume that WiiConnect24 is active on the Wii
    * Assume that the 360 and PS3 are powered down when not playing games. (A stretch due to their secondary functions, but we'll go with it.)
    * I will compute using the average figures given in this article: http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-356-1.htm
    * (20 * 52) = 1040 hours of playtime per year
    * (52 * 7 * 24) - 1040 = 7696 hours of standby time per year

    Gameplay Power Usage
    Wii: 18.51 kWh
    360: 192.5 kWh
    PS3: 201.3 kWh

    Standby Power Usage
    Wii: 73.88 kWh
    360: 19.24 kWh
    PS3: 14.62 kWh

    Total Power Usage
    Wii: 92.39 kWh
    360: 211.74 kWh
    PS3: 215.92 kWh

    Even with WiiConnect24 operating all the time, the Wii will still use less than half the power used by the 360 and PS3.

    Q.E.D.